Powers & Abilities Why don’t people value future sight?

[Albino 👑]

It’s trash till their favorite has it

Also people conveniently forget most characters aren’t using haki 24/7. Katakuri so far is really the only guy that keeps his observation haki activated most the time. Kinda similar to how big mom seemingly always has her armament haki activated most the time


Other users include luffy kaido and shanks

Luffy does have his haki activated 24/7 usually observation haki is only activated based on vibes lol good or bad
Kaido has to be in a very specific drunk state to even temporarily use it
Shanks usage based on the little we know seems more similar to luffy than katakuri’s. Katakuri pretty much being the most optimal user of the ability even if his future sight isn’t necessarily the strongest

It’s an ability even Rayleigh massively hyped up

In general it comes down to

1. Their fave doesn’t have it as far as they know
2. Zoro and Sanji fans both be hating on katakuri as much they can for their precious king and queen
3. Luffy like most characters doesn’t have haki active 24/7

 

[ShadowStyle369]

lol the zoro fans that think mihawk won't have future sight

 

[Indigo]

I think it's Oda's fault

he is super inconsistent with it

he super hyped it with Katakuri when it was first introduced, but since then every character that has it, gets hit with dumb shit that even normal Observation should be enough to dodge

it's the same with Kizaru's and Sanji's speed, who should be able to dodge anything, but get hit all the time

the plot demands it to be nerfed, so fans are not inclined to take it seriously

it's just really good on on head canon and agenda

it's like saying Zoro is super slow and can't hit anything, yet when Zoro fights characters that are super fast, he has no trouble hitting them

 

[Buggy D Clown]

When did it happen? If it happens I’ll acknowledge it. People only say that because of Zoro wind tornado move. That’s an agenda reason nothing from the manga substantiates it.

You are the one trying to make FS something it's not. How about you show a FS user dodging a massive AoE attack?

Its common sense that if a character can't travel x distance within y timeframe, they would get hit. FS gives them more time(z) to travel said distance but they are still getting hit if they can't travel it within z+y.

Can Katakuri dodge Kid Buu blowing up the planet if he uses FS?
What about a whole island?
What about a Hakai sized attack?

There is clearly a cut off somewhere where an FS user can and can not dodge based on the size of the attack, therefore yes AoE can be used to counter FS. The only debate is where that cut off is for each FS user

 

[Garp the Fist]

Oda’s mistake with introducing it at all really.

If everyone has it, then it becomes pointless. An endless repetition of “i read your move, i read you reading my move, i read that you read that i read your move, i read…“ etc.

So it then has to be used sparingly to be effective as a writing tool. Which will always look odd when we get to guys who are miles stronger than Katakuri but can’t use CoO anywhere near as well as he did.

 

[Robin swan]

You are the one trying to make FS something it's not. How about you show a FS user dodging a massive AoE attack?

Its common sense that if a character can't travel x distance within y timeframe, they would get hit. FS gives them more time(z) to travel said distance but they are still getting hit if they can't travel it within z+y.

Can Katakuri dodge Kid Buu blowing up the planet if he uses FS?
What about a whole island?
What about a Hakai sized attack?

There is clearly a cut off somewhere where an FS user can and can not dodge based on the size of the attack, therefore yes AoE can be used to counter FS. The only debate is where that cut off is for each FS user

Not just aoe but speed plus good coo counter fs to. Fs isn't some God tier ability. It only looks so good because the best user of it had the perfect ability that countered luffy. Fs is a utility ability that just allows you more time to dodge and counter attacks. If a attack is to fast, has to much aoe/dc, or is to strong then fs is useless.

 

[Buggy D Clown]

Not just aoe but speed plus good coo counter fs to. Fs isn't some God tier ability. It only looks so good because the best user of it had the perfect ability that countered luffy. Fs is a utility ability that just allows you more time to dodge and counter attacks. If a attack is to fast, has to much aoe/dc, or is to strong then fs is useless.

Yes exactly. Wanted to stick to one point(aoe) for now but yeah. FS refresh rate is not and can not be good enough for FS to be what people seem to think it is.

Also certain people seem to think that Katakuri can see all the futures at once and regardless of his actions the future he saw will happen which makes no sense and would make FS pointless anyway.

FS gives you an edge in very specific situations, given similar physical stats.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I downplay it because King doesn’t have it

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Yes exactly. Wanted to stick to one point(aoe) for now but yeah. FS refresh rate is not and can not be good enough for FS to be what people seem to think it is.

Also certain people seem to think that Katakuri can see all the futures at once and regardless of his actions the future he saw will happen which makes no sense and would make FS pointless anyway.

FS gives you an edge in very specific situations, given similar physical stats.

We even have an example with Sanji dodging the Jelly bean during the wedding...it was never stated or hinted that Sanji has FS so him dodging already proves that reflexes are better than FS.

 

[mly90]

I downplay it because King doesn’t have it

King doesn't need it given his invincible durability speed

 

[Kiiro]

Because its stupid, this kind of power levels needs explanation each time used and how theh saw, dodged, etc and Oda doesn't really explain.

This powers are for HxH, Togashi will explain them with his 3 pages of text.

 

[Germinator]

Because its stupid, this kind of power levels needs explanation each time used and how theh saw, dodged, etc and Oda doesn't really explain.

This powers are for HxH, Togashi will explain them with his 3 pages of text.

Oda himself doesn't even know, he's just too fucking stupid

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

King doesn't need it given his invincible durability speed

Dead

 

[Aknolagon]

Like people who gonna stop wanking adv.coc in few years.

Better and stronger PU are coming. Simple shonen logic.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Like people who gonna stop wanking adv.coc in few years.

Better and stronger PU are coming. Simple shonen logic.

Ad CoC 2.0
But before that you need AdCoC and Before that you need CoC.

So I doubt those AdCoC wankers are going anywhere soon.

 

[M944]

There is one more counter which you keep refusing to acknowledge: AOE. If AOE is big enough, seeing it coming a few seconds in advance wont help much.

It is situationally OP when in the hands of logia users against CQC fighters, where they can tweak the body to dodge attacks very efficiently. This is what we saw with katakuri against Luffy.

Just because it's that effective in the hands of a logia FS doesn't mean it's as effective in everyone's hands. Luffy cannot use it to same effectiveness for example, though still works well with his rubber body.

AOE isn't really a counter unless the character is slow or cornered
FS users can see several seconds before an action even started, that's an eternity in a manga
Shanks saw Kid preparing his railgun before it actually started went from the coast to Kid's boat and attacked him
The AOE as to be multidurectional too because it's easy to dodge something coming in straight line or vertically

It's just agenda to think an explosion like jackpot or tatsumaki can hit a FS user tbh

 

[Albino 👑]

Also any “counter” to future sight would generally work even better against those that don’t have it

 

[Foul Legacy]

It's just agenda to think an explosion like jackpot or tatsumaki can hit a FS user tbh

Bro thinks they dodge them because they got FS.

Kaidou with FS and King with better speed couldn't do shit to avoid it.
Bro think FS users can escape Jackpot or Tatsukami.
It ain't our agenda , it's your agenda to never give zoro points lmao.

 

[Robin swan]

Like people who gonna stop wanking adv.coc in few years.

Better and stronger PU are coming. Simple shonen logic.

Oda dehyped fs not the fans. We still have to be told when it's used because oda doesn't let any character but kata spam it constantly. If fs still had good feats people would appreciate it but even the characters with fs rarely use it for some stupid reason so why would people hype it when the characters themselves don't? Fs should be a very strong ability that let's you control a fight but no character except kata tries to use it that way. Not even just fights but day to day life fs can be used as it is a utility ability to begin with.

 

[Foul Legacy]

Also any “counter” to future sight would generally work even better against those that don’t have it

Only difference is Non FS user wouldn't know they are fucked.
FS users would know they are fucked regardless of what they do.