Character Discussion Why Hiyori should have been a fighter and why Oda wasted her character
Agreed. Doesn’t make sense for Denjiro to not train Hiyori to defend herself either. She should’ve been competent and comparable to the Middling Scabbards.
Only scene this might impact is Zoro saving her? Which doesn’t need a big rework—Hiyori is without any weapon and trying to defend the SMILE girl. Have her block a few of Kamazou’s slashes bare handed before Zoro steps in over some Bushido honor of not facing unarmed opponents / children.
Only scene this might impact is Zoro saving her? Which doesn’t need a big rework—Hiyori is without any weapon and trying to defend the SMILE girl. Have her block a few of Kamazou’s slashes bare handed before Zoro steps in over some Bushido honor of not facing unarmed opponents / children.
We don't know that she wasn't really. Look at that clientele... in a land where training is outlawed and the samurai have been obliterated. She could probably slap up some horny old drunk dumb enough to mess with an oiran known for her connection to the Yakuza boss.
She was helpless against Killer like anyone in that country would be, Oniwabanshu or otherwise.
She was helpless against Killer like anyone in that country would be, Oniwabanshu or otherwise.
I don't think Hiyori needed to be a fighter to be a compelling character. I think Oda could've done better with just what he had. But I understand the sentiments in wanting her to be a fighter. One Piece is predominantly resolved through action, and for Hiyori to be more involved, being a fighter helps.
Hiyori's problem is that she lacks agency in the plot.
As a child of Oden, she is overshadowed by Momo. Every plan or scheme she enacted are a result of instructions from Kyoshiro, who brought her up. The moment she acted out in defense of Toko, Kyoshiro had to step in to save her. Her relationship with Kawamatsu exists to develop him, and her interactions with the Straw Hats are only there to inform them of the situation on Wano.
Her most important contribution was exchanging Enma for Shusui. She had to give up her birthright in order to forward the storyline of a male character.
This is all based on her role on Wano thus far. She still has a chance to make up for it and give her something more. It's hinted as much in her hatred for Orochi. (I have issues with that, but that'll be for another day.)
Hiyori's problem is that she lacks agency in the plot.
As a child of Oden, she is overshadowed by Momo. Every plan or scheme she enacted are a result of instructions from Kyoshiro, who brought her up. The moment she acted out in defense of Toko, Kyoshiro had to step in to save her. Her relationship with Kawamatsu exists to develop him, and her interactions with the Straw Hats are only there to inform them of the situation on Wano.
Her most important contribution was exchanging Enma for Shusui. She had to give up her birthright in order to forward the storyline of a male character.
This is all based on her role on Wano thus far. She still has a chance to make up for it and give her something more. It's hinted as much in her hatred for Orochi. (I have issues with that, but that'll be for another day.)
The only demographic and audience that WSJ cares for is the Japanese. Mangaka's do not write for the rest of the World. Oda already has addressed this in an interview. He doesn't change his writing because he knows that as people get older he's going to lose a lot of fans, but the payoff is that he will make newer fans out of the younger readers.
Honestly, it's inevitable because not everyone is going to continue to read manga and watch anime when they get older. Some lose interest, while others are too busy focused with life and being an adult.
This has been working for One Piece for 23+ as made apparent by the fact that each volume still sells millions of copies in Japan alone. Other big series that have come and gone never reached those numbers, even when factoring international sales into the mix.
Sure, some of us readers who have stuck around for the long haul might like to see things switched up a bit, but why fix something that isn't broke?
Honestly, it's inevitable because not everyone is going to continue to read manga and watch anime when they get older. Some lose interest, while others are too busy focused with life and being an adult.
This has been working for One Piece for 23+ as made apparent by the fact that each volume still sells millions of copies in Japan alone. Other big series that have come and gone never reached those numbers, even when factoring international sales into the mix.
Sure, some of us readers who have stuck around for the long haul might like to see things switched up a bit, but why fix something that isn't broke?
The only thing that annoys me more than Oda's bad way of writing females is the fandom endless thirst for a strong female
Just live with it, Oda likes to have women as cheerleaders for strong boys, it's never about sexism, but more about a "Man's fantasy"
Where anything badass a man does will get cheered and have blushes from females with fainting all over...
That's all there is to it...
For example Oda loves to have Zoro or Luffy save the day and for the women around to get horny by their actions, than to draw a strong females just to please the audience who are activist for such roles
It's simply who Oda is... in simplest of terms
Just live with it, Oda likes to have women as cheerleaders for strong boys, it's never about sexism, but more about a "Man's fantasy"
Where anything badass a man does will get cheered and have blushes from females with fainting all over...
That's all there is to it...
For example Oda loves to have Zoro or Luffy save the day and for the women around to get horny by their actions, than to draw a strong females just to please the audience who are activist for such roles
It's simply who Oda is... in simplest of terms
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Yes. It would 100% be MUCH better if Hyori was a warrior.
Just like someone else.
That was put in situations like this.
And most definitely DIDNT NEED SAVING from the "hero".
Trust me.
Hyori being a warrior or not wouldn't make the difference you think it would.
Just like someone else.
That was put in situations like this.
And most definitely DIDNT NEED SAVING from the "hero".
Trust me.
Hyori being a warrior or not wouldn't make the difference you think it would.
I know Oda won't change his way of writing women and that he keeps putting them in sexually suggestive scenes. But it's just so sad.
It’s not
we all have freedom for our fantasy world
females too have right to dream of pretty boys in a fantasy dream they have, and with men who cook and spoil them like princesses
you don’t hear us guys saying women are objectifying us and they are sexist for those world of dreams.
They are just fantasy world in our mind or in those series
sexism is only when it’s done in real life and by taking AWAY choices for the other sex to choose their path
we all have freedom for our fantasy world
females too have right to dream of pretty boys in a fantasy dream they have, and with men who cook and spoil them like princesses
you don’t hear us guys saying women are objectifying us and they are sexist for those world of dreams.
They are just fantasy world in our mind or in those series
sexism is only when it’s done in real life and by taking AWAY choices for the other sex to choose their path
