Versus Battle Why I think Kisame and Itachi cant defeat Jiraiya

#43
1, their water jutsu and fire style clashed equally so yea it does

2. ignoring evidence, I win then.
goes to show that was right to call you dishonest then
You are a clown who says deidara > sasori irrespective of the fact deidara claims otherwise but when it comes to Kisame's statement you take his word

Double standards lol
 
#46
You are a clown who says deidara > sasori irrespective of the fact deidara claims otherwise but when it comes to Kisame's statement you take his word
Kisame was running for his life from jiraya. Nothing suggests contradiction with the feats presented so the statement is perfectly consistent and thus fine



Deidara on the other hand presented full ability to dodge sasori's attacks and had no issue facing him which is the difference. Sasori's scaling to deidara is contradictive whereas kisame's not. you just lack the nuance to understand that as anyone who disagrees with you would be this shame word or that just cause you cant argue without putting your emotions in the front seat. Anyways keep spreging out mongrel
 
#47
Kisame was running for his life from jiraya. Nothing suggests contradiction with the feats presented so the statement is perfectly consistent and thus fine



Deidara on the other hand presented full ability to dodge sasori's attacks and had no issue facing him which is the difference. Sasori's scaling to deidara is contradictive whereas kisame's not. you just lack the nuance to understand that as anyone who disagrees with you would be this shame word or that just cause you cant argue without putting your emotions in the front seat. Anyways keep spreging out mongrel
Lol mongrel itachi's arsenal makes jiraiya his dog and you talk about deidara

Amaterasu and tsukiyomi rapes him
 
#48
Lol mongrel itachi's arsenal makes jiraiya his dog and you talk about deidara
I didt call itachi. a mongrel that was directed at you


Watch me, get banned for insults or some other nonsense even tho he started with such shaming tactics



Amaterasu and tsukiyomi rapes him
Why didt he use it on jiraya then, Dont say it was cause he's a spy or something because he was not above bodying kakashi with it so that destroys that argument. So what excuse do you have then??
 
#49
I didt call itachi. a mongrel that was directed at you


Watch me, get banned for insults or some other nonsense even tho he started with such shaming tactics





Why didt he use it on jiraya then, Dont say it was cause he's a spy or something because he was not above bodying kakashi with it so that destroys that argument. So what excuse do you have then??
If you read the manga you know why itachi came to konaha in first place

Not my fault you lack comprehension
 
#52
Kisame literally says Itachi and Jiraiya are both in a different league from himself in that panel.
He says, jiraya would be within a different league
With him being unsure if itachi could best the sannin



Itachi verbatim agreed with kisame saying yeah, If we faced each other then yea i'd likely not win and having backup would not change the result
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#53
He says, jiraya would be within a different league
With him being unsure if itachi could best the sannin



Itachi verbatim agreed with kisame saying yeah, If we faced each other then yea i'd likely not win and having backup would not change the result
Again can you not read english properly? Genuinely asking maybe it's not your first language.

Itachi said they both might kill each other in a 1v1 in that panel. Meaning Itachi himself believes he is capable of killing Jiraiya.



Now let's go back to this panel.
Kisame says Itachi might take Jiraiya on, but he (Kisame) is not in the same league as the two of them.

So where do you see Kisame saying Jiraiya is in a different league from Itachi?
 
#54
Itachi said they both might kill each other in a 1v1 in that panel. Meaning Itachi himself believes he is capable of killing Jiraiya.

that only refers to base jiraya and even then it's very clear that by feats
That itachi was ready to flea showing jiraya was a great enough threat to him



He didt have any issue soloing the elite jonin so it stands to reason that his reason for fleaing from jiraya had to do with power
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#55
that only refers to base jiraya and even then it's very clear that by feats
That itachi was ready to flea showing jiraya was a great enough threat to him



He didt have any issue soloing the elite jonin so it stands to reason that his reason for fleaing from jiraya had to do with power
So you admit you're full of shit? Ok.
 
#56
I dnt think even think totsuka mirror could even hit jiraiya.
But.. that's your opinion.. tho. The source material explicitly exemplifies that Itachi can blitz high class speedsters (a gold standard that Jiraiya isn't a part of.. ) with the Spirit Tools — and maybe — with his footspeed alone.

i bet even using yata mirror plus totsuka blade made itachi’s chakra drain a lot yes this is a spiritual weapon and this weapons of the sage of the six paths is good for ambush type of attack.
Actually.. There's no explicit evidence that this is, indeed the case. Itachi has immaculate, excellent chakra control, so, I don't really see why he has to be anxious, about utilizing the Spirit Tools — as being substantially taxing for him.

But i think sage mode can sense this even before they could get hit by it.
Honestly.. Jiraiya's Natural Energy Sensing Features are kind of lacklustre — as in — that, they haven't exhibited the features to imply that they could defensively retaliate in time, when faced with the Spirit Tools.. Even if we presume that he could sense it in time, I don't see how he's supposed to actually avoid the offensive maneuver, given his turtlesk lack of the necessitated speed features to acclimatize, so.

Imagine how strong was naruto’s sate mode on boruto that he could sense boruto chakra from miles away from konoha.
I'd say that you've a point here, but actually.. Adult NE (IE., Natural Energy) Naruto is significantly weaker than his precedent NE Incarnations.

Supplementally, Naruto explicitly surpassed Jiraiya in the Pain Arc in terms of Natural Energy Application — as stated by the Sage Toad — Fukasaku.

The only way ok for me is to beat Jiraiya was if you let down his focus, ambush type of attack that was faster than him.
But.. that's your opinion.. tho. The source material explicitly exemplifies that Itachi can blitz high class premier speedsters (a gold standard that Jiraiya isn't a part of.. ) with the Spirit Tools — and maybe — with his footspeed alone.

Which is 0 chance since i bet he know that you cannot let down your focus on a sharringan user who became an anbu at the age of 12.
.. Itachi has consistently exemplified that he can blitz several high class premier speedsters, without significant duress.

But i dnt think both kisama and itachi is fast enough to even par with jiraiya
Umm.. I feel like you're restating your opinion, tbh.

kisamae could use ocean type thing jutsu like he did during bee arc but how would you assume kisame can even touch a sage mode user?
Why wouldn't he be able to, in your opinion.. ?
 
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#57
Jiraya and Itachi were always presented as to be on the same level from what i remember. Kisame admitted inferiority to itachi and Jiraya before not even getting to see Sage mode.

Jiraya clearly mops the floor with Kisame.
 
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