General & Others Why is it a popular saying that Oda didn't plan haki since the beginning ?

[mad monk]

Basic haki was most likely planned.
Dunno about the advance version of each though, feels like the advance version is roughly executed heck I honestly don't even understand clearly bout the differences between AdvCoA and AdvCoC until this point (dunno if it's just me or not) Lol

So , Oda might having this exploration later on.

 

[duckman]

A lot of confusion comes from the fact that in the story, in the first half, many characters didn't even know what Haki was. I really don't think Oda had worked out many details to boot, like how CP9 couldn't hurt Luffy with blunt attacks.



Blackbeard's power isn't a substitute for Haki, it actually cancels a DF user's power.



You're looking at someone asking Oda, after he already debuted the concept of Haki, to prove that he hadn't developed the idea back then. That doesn't really work.

Your last question doesn't make sense. The person is saying did Garp use Haki or did he use love in that panel. And Oda says nah. There's no gotcha, it's pretty straight forward.

 

[Lightbolt]

Your last question doesn't make sense. The person is saying did Garp use Haki or did he use love in that panel. And Oda says nah. There's no gotcha, it's pretty straight forward.

So again asking‚ does that mean that is a fact in the one piece universe that hakiless love punches can bypass df defences ?

 

[Fn Lucci]

Your last question doesn't make sense. The person is saying did Garp use Haki or did he use love in that panel. And Oda says nah. There's no gotcha, it's pretty straight forward.

If someone asked how Garp did it before Haki was a thing and he said a reason other than Haki, then you could argue that he hadn't put Haki into the equation up to that point. If he says something that sounds kind of silly and is never referenced again after he's already introduced Haki formally, well...

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Oda said it was not haki, it was love. He was asked about it pretty explicitly.

Oda likes to joke with obvious questions. I recall a reader asked him about Rosinante being named after Don Quijote's horse and he said he named him on a whim, when it's clearly not the case as the character makes detailed references to said horse. Considering how serious that moment was taken, with Sanji surprised at Luffy feeling the punch, I highly doubt that was meant to be just love.

 

[duckman]

If someone asked how Garp did it before Haki was a thing and he said a reason other than Haki, then you could argue that he hadn't put Haki into the equation up to that point. If he says something that sounds kind of silly and is never referenced again after he's already introduced Haki formally, well...

...Haki was a thing. That is the fishman island arc SBS

 

[Finalbeta]

Oda is a visionary. I'm fairly confident he was planning Luffy vs Big Mom since the times of Thriller Bark and he will presumably deliver that wise soon haha.

 

[Fn Lucci]

...Haki was a thing. That is the fishman island arc SBS

Exactly. Read again because you don't understand what we're telling you.

 

[NAMELESS]

Oda planned Haki from the beginning!
Problem is he introduced it into the middle of story and still kept many secrets about it!
So anything new about the haki system that contradicts what was explained before gets accused of being a plot hole by the community!
Oda is slowing revealing everything,so in the end it all makes sense!
Pre-skip haki demosntrations:
1-Shanks vs Sea king(COC)!
2-Zoro vs Mr.1(COO-COA)!
3-Luffy and Zoro meet BB(COO)!
4-Mantra during Skypia(COO)!
5-Lucci vs Luffy(COO-COA)!
6-Luffy COC in sabadoy!
7-Sentomaru vs Luffy(COA)!
8-Kuja pirates vs Luffy(COA)!
9-Rayleight in the action house(COC-COA)!
10-Impel Down:Luffy and BB(COC-COO)!
*I believe BB also hit Ace in the neck using COA,he didn't touch him with black hole and punched him in mid air!

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People forget,Wano was the original OP plot Oda had planned that would only last 5 years!
I think most of the stuff that happens Post-Wano Oda had already planned since the beginning!

 

[duckman]

Exactly. Read again because you don't understand what we're telling you.

The question was a follow up to "How can Nami hurt Luffy."

 

[Yakyu]

He surely had the basics in mind since the beggining that took too long to elaborate, just not a complete idea.
Rereading, the first time haki is stated is by Blackbeard in chapter 234 right after Alabasta where Zoro had that scene vs Mr1 and Luffy had his fight with a Logia both in near death moments. The following arc had observation haki being developed all around.

Even if we would exclude Rokushiki as haki related, this arc still showed CoC with Shanks meeting Whitebeard in which the term haki is once again used. There's also a moment with Smoker, a Logia, showing up with a scar which would require haki or seastone.
Thriller Bark I don't remember any major scenes, but right after it we have Luffy using CoC for the first time and then Sabaody and so on went deeper with haki showcase a lot.

 

[Just a member]

A retcon huge as an house. BB in his fight with Ace intended his yami yami to be the ultimate logia cause it neutralized all other logia intangibility. All thrown in the bin with the introduction of haki. Then we have high level fighters like Croco or Moria totally oblivious to the concept of haki simply because at that point it didn't exist in Oda's mind. But now of course Croco or Moria totally have it. Enel had "mantra", same for that young girl whose name I don't recall (she was in Skypea arc too), which was later retconed into coo. Rokushiki to a degree too. Oda suddenly decided to start wrapping it all into this new concept of haki (which is way bigger than these simple examples but those helped to link the things a bit more) and he introduced it starting from Sabaody.

 

[Roo]

Shanks death glare is just a trope. I can name a bunch of other anime/cartoon that had characters who could intimidate others with a simple glare

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Smoker existing way back in the beginning of the series if proof that Oda had some sort of concept of Haki in mind, all the way back then.

He's not going to create a character that literally can not be defeated by any means whatsoever. Smoker wasn't like Crocodile where Luffy could just throw some water on his hands and be good to go.

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Your last question doesn't make sense. The person is saying did Garp use Haki or did he use love in that panel. And Oda says nah. There's no gotcha, it's pretty straight forward.

Honestly, I think Oda was being about as serious as when he says Sanji creates fire just because his passion burns that hot.

The obvious answer was Garp was using Haki. The joke answer was that it was "Love."

Unless we are really supposed to believe that if you "Love Luffy enough" you can hurt him with your attacks.

 

[Rednick]

1)Oda wouldnt introduce logia if haki didnt exist. 2)Shanks case was probably a retcon.
3)"Garps love" answer was obviously a joke. It was coa.
4)Nami's punches to luffy are for comic relief purposes, nothing more.
5)the basic idea for haki always existed. Things like black armament probably not, since we didnt see it in marineford. Although there isnt even a clear answer if black coa is actually visible or not.

 

[Lightbolt]

Oda planned Haki from the beginning!
Problem is he introduced it into the middle of story and still kept many secrets about it!
So anything new about the haki system that contradicts what was explained before gets accused of being a plot hole by the community!
Oda is slowing revealing everything,so in the end it all makes sense!
Pre-skip haki demosntrations:
1-Shanks vs Sea king(COC)!
2-Zoro vs Mr.1(COO-COA)!
3-Luffy and Zoro meet BB(COO)!
4-Mantra during Skypia(COO)!
5-Lucci vs Luffy(COO-COA)!
6-Luffy COC in sabadoy!
7-Sentomaru vs Luffy(COA)!
8-Kuja pirates vs Luffy(COA)!
9-Rayleight in the action house(COC-COA)!
10-Impel Down:Luffy and BB(COC-COO)!
*I believe BB also hit Ace in the neck using COA,he didn't touch him with black hole and punched him in mid air!

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People forget,Wano was the original OP plot Oda had planned that would only last 5 years!
I think most of the stuff that happens Post-Wano Oda had already planned since the beginning!

I might have missed something but Zoro Coo and Coa vs Mister 1 ? Luffy and Zoro haki at Jaya ? Luffy and Lucci ? When did these things show any haki or even implied that is haki ?

 

[Sheer D. Lusion]

The moment Oda came up with Logia (Smoker) he already planned a counter for it. Being such an essential part of One Piece, I doubt he came up with it on the fly.

smoker and ace could be hit regularly during alabasta arc if they were caught by surprise. luffy hits both at the same time by accident

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Repost from another thread.

Pretty sure that Conqueror's Haki, invisible CoA and Future Sight was established pre-timeskip.

Rokushiki was retconned into haki post-TS. We just didn't see the visuals of how haki uses (bar CoC) until post-TS.

 

[PurpleSwordsman]

Yes, it was planned, since Smoker's introduction. Somehow Luffy would be able to beat him in the future and ofc it wouldnt have been with Kairoseki cuffs or some natural counter since not all fruits would be that easy to counter like in Crocodile's case.
So since from that moment, Oda already had the Haki idea in his head, not as it is currently for sure, but at least the concept of Luffy being able to reach Smoker true body with his punches was there.

P.S: Shanks event is normal intimidation, it's not proof of anything.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It was planned from the beginning, but it is poorly explained and horribly executed.