General & Others Why is Judge retarded and insane? Oda's simplistic writing

Monkey D Theories

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I always found that Oda wrote Judge to be cartoonishly evil to a fault. Like he's so vindictive about sanji being a "failure" for literally no reason. Like okay, his plan didn't work out, Sanji doesn't have genetic enhancements, he has emotions, and he likes to cook. Big deal. He's still one of Judge's sons and that's valuable.

Judge himself acknowledged this in WCI when he realized he needed Sanji to be married off in order to form an alliance with Big Mom. One problem, why didn't judge think about that when he allowed sanji to run off while germa was in the middle of a war? Judge wants to conquer the north blue and most of the one piece world exists in a monarchy-type government. This means that Sanji could easily be married off to a princess of some powerful kingdom in order for judge to gain more allies.

But nope, Sanji has to be utterly worthless to judge during his childhood because plot. It just makes so little sense on so many levels. Isn't germa a science kingdom? Who is going to inherit all of judge's scientific knowledge? Why couldn't Sanji just be a great scientist like Judge? Why couldn't Judge just give sanji a devil fruit, or give him cybernetic enhancements, or make him wear the fucking raid suit twice?

How is Judge the king of his own kingdom and a genius scientist, when he makes insane retard decisions like letting sanji leave germa? It just seems as if Oda wrote Judge's character specifically to serve the plot and not in a way that would actually make sense within the world. I think Game of Thrones is a good example of this type of this plot done right. Similar to Sanji, Tyrion was born a failure due to being a dwarf. Similar to Judge, Tywin is ruler of his own fief and is portrayed to be a genius.


I don't understand why Judge couldn't get something this simple. Oda could have made him an interesting character, yet the way he was dealt with in WCI made him a very 2 dimensional villain imo.
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And I get maybe a backstory could have explained Judge better. But if that were the case, Why couldn't we have actually got Judge's backstory in WCI instead of getting it hundreds of chapters later?
 
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I think that, Stealth Black is the strongest soldier and the greatest creation of Germa. So Judge couldn't bear the fact that Sanji's modifications was unsuccessful. I mean, if I created a machine that can helps the society which take years to build but then it got broken down like couple days later, I would have dispose of it too.
 
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Monkey D Theories said:
I think Game of Thrones is a good example of this type of this plot done right.
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Imo comparing OP's character quality to earlier seasons of GoT HBO series, is just plain wrong. Oda won't reach that level of Peter Dinklage - Tyrion character, development, storytelling, internal burden, resolve, and all that greatness no matter what.

But comparing OP's characters to later seasons of GoT is realistic tho. OP characters are even superior to later-season GoT chars in my opinion.

"Who taught you to do that?"

"No one"

Omg its so cringe. And more importantly, later-seasons GoT chars are empty. They are lifeless. Judge imo is forgivable since he is side character, but Arya being a main char reaching that level of cringe is unbearable.
 
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Finalbeta

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He hoped his son would turn into an automaton but it didn't work out. I guess the point to genetically modify also involved a control component and he is evil as shit.
 
Monkey D Theories

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uyuu said:
Imo comparing OP's character quality to earlier seasons of GoT HBO series, is just plain wrong. Oda won't reach that level of Peter Dinklage - Tyrion character, development, storytelling, internal burden, resolve, and all that greatness no matter what.

But comparing OP's characters to later seasons of GoT is realistic tho. OP characters are even superior to later-season GoT chars in my opinion.

"Who taught you to do that?"

"No one"

Omg its so cringe. And more importantly, later-seasons GoT chars are empty. They are lifeless. Judge imo is forgivable since he is side character, but Arya being a main char reaching that level of cringe is unbearable.
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I disagree

sanji's subplot was perhaps the second most important one of the arc. Judge should have been a real person, not a tool for Oda to give Sanji a second tragic backstory.
 
Tai long

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Monkey D Theories said:
I always found that Oda wrote Judge to be cartoonishly evil to a fault. Like he's so vindictive about sanji being a "failure" for literally no reason. Like okay, his plan didn't work out, Sanji doesn't have genetic enhancements, he has emotions, and he likes to cook. Big deal. He's still one of Judge's sons and that's valuable.

Judge himself acknowledged this in WCI when he realized he needed Sanji to be married off in order to form an alliance with Big Mom. One problem, why didn't judge think about that when he allowed sanji to run off while germa was in the middle of a war? Judge wants to conquer the north blue and most of the one piece world exists in a monarchy-type government. This means that Sanji could easily be married off to a princess of some powerful kingdom in order for judge to gain more allies.

But nope, Sanji has to be utterly worthless to judge during his childhood because plot. It just makes so little sense on so many levels. Isn't germa a science kingdom? Who is going to inherit all of judge's scientific knowledge? Why couldn't Sanji just be a great scientist like Judge? Why couldn't Judge just give sanji a devil fruit, or give him cybernetic enhancements, or make him wear the fucking raid suit twice?

How is Judge the king of his own kingdom and a genius scientist, when he makes insane retard decisions like letting sanji leave germa? It just seems as if Oda wrote Judge's character specifically to serve the plot and not in a way that would actually make sense within the world. I think Game of Thrones is a good example of this type of this plot done right. Similar to Sanji, Tyrion was born a failure due to being a dwarf. Similar to Judge, Tywin is ruler of his own fief and is portrayed to be a genius.


I don't understand why Judge couldn't get something this simple. Oda could have made him an interesting character, yet the way he was dealt with in WCI made him a very 2 dimensional villain imo.
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And I get maybe a backstory could have explained Judge better. But if that were the case, Why couldn't we have actually got Judge's backstory in WCI instead of getting it hundreds of chapters later?
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Sanji was useless when he had 4 other superpower ful kids, he only needed sanji when he found out he was alive, because it is better to sacrifice a copper rather than a gemstone when they would achieve the same result
 
Uncle Van

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Biggest writing flaw with Judge was that he was surprised BM actually betrayed him at the party and had no back up plan. Guy himself said BM might betray him after the party as she's a pirate. He didn't find it suspicious that Germa were the only ones required to have their weapons confiscated.
 
Monkey D Theories

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Tai long said:
Sanji was useless when he had 4 other superpower ful kids, he only needed sanji when he found out he was alive, because it is better to sacrifice a copper rather than a gemstone when they would achieve the same result
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My point is just that, wasn't marrying off his kids to gain political alliances always an option for judge? And wouldn't sanji be inherently valuable, even if he's just a normal boy, due to him being a royal?

Even beyond his capabilities as a fighter, he could still be a good scientist, he could still be a good leader, he could still be powerful with cybernetic enhancements/raidsuit/devil fruit/haki.

Judge valuing sanji as useless due to him not being superhuman just seems nonsensical.
 
Tai long

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Monkey D Theories said:
My point is just that, wasn't marrying off his kids to gain political alliances always an option for judge? And wouldn't sanji be inherently valuable, even if he's just a normal boy, due to him being a royal?

Even beyond his capabilities as a fighter, he could still be a good scientist, he could still be a good leader, he could still be powerful with cybernetic enhancements/raidsuit/devil fruit/haki.

Judge valuing sanji as useless due to him not being superhuman just seems nonsensical.
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judge kicking sanji out is like a villain kicking his son with a disability while living his 4 other children that are normal. You don't expect judge to predict 20 years into the future that he would have to marry of his child
 
Sir Yasheen

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Because judge is literally a comic book supervillain. Like he acts exactly like a comic book supervillain with his excessive actions and over the top evilness
 
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