Current Events Why is Oda fucking everything up?

[vikas]

Are you reading two piece?
Mass production of Smiles was hell.
They did NOT work in most cases, and they had to go through a ton of work to be produced.
Nobody in their right mind would eat a SMILE.
You have no idea how paramisha are made because it's in the spoilers and the chapter is out, but it is different from the SMILES and only one person just discovered how to do it, hence why seraphims are new.
You are talking about fan fiction, tou decided that all those things are
1. Easy to do
2. Possible to do at any time
Which is absolutely not true.
As for judge thing, again, we have no idea how hard is to make those genetic modifications.

Again useless answer. The smile itself was shit no one is debating that. But he was mass-producing with no good resources compared to WG...Also, it was the initial stages too(he was broadcasting it to the market but also produced failed ones for Kaido).
Just answer this if you want to defend your point.
1. Why is WG not mass-producing useful things? Like artificial DF(like zoan which are perfect compared to Smiles).
2. IK Lineage factor is just another BS. But again, we have so many incredible broken abilities(take sugar)..why is that not being produced? And what's stopping them to produce other paramecia abilities(ik we got BS reason for Logia again). Nothing is stopping them from producing them.
3. What are the restrictions for creating seraphim? Why is that they are not being produced in parallel? From what I can see creating Seraphims doesn't depend on it being produced consecutively(they are like Germa clones). Like why would they think they should create clone of weaker guys when they have Kaido's data? Also, no idea how LF will help with getting skills when cloning(sword skills of mihawk, or paramecia ability which is extracted from LF) but an offspring can't have them since its basically DNA like MHA quirks.
4. Let's say for Germa. They need to create a drug using lineage factor(this is where we actually even have inconsistency). They have to create a drug that they already know and then give it to the fetus. No way 21 years(Sanji's age) are not enough to produce them and create more. In fact, I mean they did make the clones without emotions which is also part of the drug. And coming to powers. Judge made use of LF but he produced paramecia(say for yonji)/Logia(atleast seems like for Ichiji) and reiju(which is more of a zoan type) abilities. But none of it is being made again for others? Why is that? The answer is they did not want others to have it for uniqueness.

Most of the answers to these questions are we don't know. But that is the problem. I know its mostly for story telling but when there is no answer given with science. Its just Bullshit.

 

[Impact_Dial]

Lol,i dropped OP after Skypia.Its one of the worst Arcs in fiction.No way in hell i read that shit again

 

[soheilhazrat]

But it's not like Vegapunk can replicate Nika's fruit didn't he?

He already created a mythical zoan so why not again

 

[Impact_Dial]

He already created a mythical zoan so why not again

nika ain't something normal

 

[Logiko]

Making up terms doesn't make you a literature expert.

"Making up terms"

I don't have the pretency to call myself an expert, I'm not. But I do know my fair share about storytelling, sorry You've come across the wrong guy to slend here.

was actually something related to rubber than a God created by Oda to fill the plotholes.

Again, there are no plotholes here but in your head and the fruit is still about Rubber.

Luffy is not creative

Yeah, I won't even comment that.

He is smart when it comes to fighting but he never showed any real creativity. Usopp is creative, Franky is but not Luffy. Luffy was always serious about fighting even Oda putting gags on his fighting Luffy said at least once if not more that he wasn't joking or playing around.

You sure don't know what creativity means. Creativity is about making connections in your brain betweens things you saw or you lived and creating something new based on that knowledge. Franky and Usopp are creative, but LUffy is quite the creative type also.

If your hint about Luffy DF real nature being on chapter 1 because you said he got happier then why is he changing his personality from serious one to joke one when awakening?

A hint is not a setup. I4m I'm talking about is a shadowing, this shadowing being the nature of LUffy's devil fruit, the fact that from day one, Luffy used his creativity to create attack of Rubber.

One Piece is on pair of Naruto and Bleach creepyness and not on level of DBZ greatness.

"Dbz's greatness"

I never tried to pretend I'm a literature expert like you said but correcting you about World Building was easy.

Not that much, you didn't correct me on anything, in fact I made you learned something new.

Just like you said a good revelation expand our knowledge about the series and the character. This happens with Goku being a Sayan but not with Luffy, Naruto or Ichigo.

SOrry, I can't stay serious with such takes on storytelling.

Of course it happens with Luffy, I demonstrated it to you. xD

Oda changing Luffy DF just made plotholes and destroyed Luffy character since we now apply everything Luffy had accomplished by his DF and not self work because Zoans have a mind of their own and influences on the user.

No plot holes were created, what Luffy accomplish is his own work and Oda destroyed nothing.

Oda didn't said a shit about JoyBoy other than be an old Nika DF user and knowing Zunesha.

It seems like you don't know how to read between the line. What is not said in One PIece is as important as what it's said.

The current fighting style of Luffy sucks.

No, it's more creative, imaginative and funny. It's amazing in fact.

Oda even regretted

Yeah, I will ask him that for you one day.. just to be sure. You know.. just to see if you don't have any bias here lmao

And if this is the ultimate power it means he won't have any power up again.

Power up doesn't mean a radical change of nature, it can come from many things.

No one is doing the same with Luffy DF revelation

You know the future ?

Then you are just giving empty and dataless counter arguments.

I don't need to reply with precisions to factless argumentation and ignorance of storytelling knowledge. Sorry. I could explain what worldbuilding is to you in details, but this would need actual multiple post. Come in the collaborative story creation project, you might learn a thing or two there. Just sayin.

One Piece best volume being 3bi sales at Fishmen Arc while those other series have multiple volumes selling 3-4bi copies

Still, One Piece is the best selling manga in history. so yeah.. I'm sorry that you don't like One Piece, but it doesn't mean it's bad, it just doesn't fit the createria you seems to have of a good story.

 

[Nikuzi]

One Piece is good

 

[kurwa]

all shonen become like this at the end

doesn't boruto have technology that can replicate any jutsu with ease?
or how in dbz they can create androids stronger than super sayan?

 

[Herrera95]

You sure don't know what creativity means. Creativity is about making connections in your brain betweens things you saw or you lived and creating something new based on that knowledge. Franky and Usopp are creative, but LUffy is quite the creative type also.

Just google for creativity and you will find: "the use of the imagination or original ideas, especially in the production of an artistic work." Nothing that applies to Luffy since he isn't using original ideas or imagination he is simply copying others and adapting.

A hint is not a setup. I4m I'm talking about is a shadowing, this shadowing being the nature of LUffy's devil fruit, the fact that from day one, Luffy used his creativity to create attack of Rubber.

A hint is not a setup... Oda shadowed Luffy DF but didn't setup or he didn't hinted? You make no sense.

"Dbz's greatness"

World claimed series. The ambassador of Olympic Games in Japan in 2020 not the best selling manga ever.
Take a look at this site and see how DBZ is superior to One Piece and still both are nothing compared to Pokemon and other franchises.
https://screenrant.com/highest-grossing-anime-franchises-all-time/

It seems like you don't know how to read between the line. What is not said in One PIece is as important as what it's said.

Great you are just like Oda "that person", silhoutes, what was not said is important...

No, it's more creative, imaginative and funny. It's amazing in fact.

Not creative since Oda is just copying Looney Tunes. It is more imaginative because you are not sure if Luffy's attacks are even damaging anyone. It is funny because you realize you spent your time reading over 1000 chapters to become a kindengarten's book. But no, it is not amazing.

Power up doesn't mean a radical change of nature, it can come from many things.

As Oda you say things without saying nothing. Power up is a power up, ultimate means that is the final nothing comes after it. So if Luffy is on his final form he can't get any stronger. But sure since Oda doesn't care about consistency and logic he can say fuck to that statement and make Luffy a new ultimate.

You know the future ?

I'm just saying that people are not doing that. No one quotes One Piece like they do with Star Wars so don't even dare to compare both franchises.

Still, One Piece is the best selling manga in history. so yeah.. I'm sorry that you don't like One Piece, but it doesn't mean it's bad, it just doesn't fit the createria you seems to have of a good story.

Never said I don't like One Piece, I don't like current One Piece. One Piece greatness was Pre-timeskip and the very beginning of it. At top G4 Boudman was another moment of greatness but that's all. Everything post-timeskip besides that is declining the series.

"Making up terms"

I don't have the pretency to call myself an expert, I'm not. But I do know my fair share about storytelling, sorry You've come across the wrong guy to slend here.

Your words: This is what we call "narrative milking" (but I'm sure you also know what it is also hm?)
Narrative milking is a term you inventend. Very creative though.

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all shonen become like this at the end

doesn't boruto have technology that can replicate any jutsu with ease?
or how in dbz they can create androids stronger than super sayan?

Not will defende Boruto since I don't even follow it and even stopped with Naruto way before the end of Shippuden.

But the thing is DBZ would only suck if they could replicate Dragon Balls as they please. And at least they are not doing it although they keep inventing new dragon balls but that is not a problem.

The problem here is not power scalling but how bad it is to have a unique thing on your manga that used to be rare then becomes normal and now everybody can have it too.

A comparison with Naruto would be all those ninja that got somewhat of Kyuubi's chakra and got stronger by that. I don't even understand that scene since I didn't watch but it seems terrible.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

DB, DBZ, DBGT wasn't like that

Are you joking?

The kamehameha was once a signature technique that everyone is now able to use.

Super Saiyan was turned into a child’s play thing

Gokus entire character was retconned from being a random boy to being a space alien

Every planet seems to have a set of dragonballs.

Oda is literally following Toriyamas script

 

[Flower]

The users must still be clones, though. This is hardly handing out DFs like candy, though I don‘t like all this cloning. Cheap.

 

[Herrera95]

Yeah, that's why everybody can build nuclear bombs and nuclear submarines amd travel in space nowadays.
The fact that something is doable, doesn't mean that it can be mass produced.

Do you know how many nuclear bombs the countries that have(Specially Russia and USA) OFFICIALLY has?

I'm highlighting officially because this is suppose to be top secret information(Specially for Russia). So if comes out that they already have 4k or 7k you bet that they have many more than this.
And there is an international agreement that countries sgined and can't have nuclear bombs. I guess only 7 countries are officially allowed to have it while 3 unofficially has it.
Not only that by countries politics can prevent the own country to have it.

Real world is way more complex than One Piece world.

 

[Steven]

The kamehameha was once a signature technique that everyone is now able to use.

Lol what?That was never the case

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Lol what?That was never the case

Back in old Dragonball it was. Roshi would actively tell people that their bodies weren’t ready for such a powerful technique.

 

[Logiko]

Just google for creativity and you will find: "the use of the imagination or original ideas, especially in the production of an artistic work." Nothing that applies to Luffy since he isn't using original ideas or imagination he is simply copying others and adapting.

Like I said you don't know what creativity is so you stop at the first definition. So spoiler: The creation of original work out of nothing doesn't exist. Every work of art needs to have an inspiration. That's why I said that creativity is the ability of creating a work out of multiple possibilities. ANd that's EXACTLY what Luffy is doing.

A hint is not a setup... Oda shadowed Luffy DF but didn't setup or he didn't hinted? You make no sense.

To understand what I'm saying you would need actual background in storytelling or you could also read that article that I wrote on the subject:

https://carrotfornakama.wixsite.com/anyonefornakama/post/concept-planting

You should understand what I'm saying after that.

World claimed series

Sure.

Great you are just like Oda "that person", silhoutes, what was not said is important...

Watch this video, you will understand what I'm saying by "what is not said is important":

Not creative since Oda is just copying Looney Tunes.

Again.. you don't know what creativity is.

But no, it is not amazing.

It is. You are just unable to see that.

ultimate means that is the final nothing comes after it.

Wrong, Ultimate in that context means that the fruit fit now PERFECTLY Luffy's mindset.

So if Luffy is on his final form he can't get any stronger

I'm sure he can. You can go stronger while stayin in the same form. THis is not DBZ.

No one quotes One Piece like they do with Star Wars

You don't have twitter, do ya ?

Never said I don't like One Piece, I don't like current One Piece. One Piece greatness was Pre-timeskip and the very beginning of it. At top G4 Boudman was another moment of greatness but that's all. Everything post-timeskip besides that is declining the series.

Oh yeah.. the average bad take of "Everything was better pretime skip"..

Yeah, watch some analysis video about the new world, you might understand a things or two.

Narrative milking is a term you inventend

Still no, it's a narrative term. But yeah.. you would need to actually understand what milking is to know.. WAIT I also wrote an article on the milking technique ! HEre you go:

https://carrotfornakama.wixsite.com/anyonefornakama/post/concept-milking

 

[Herrera95]

Are you joking?

The kamehameha was once a signature technique that everyone is now able to use.

Super Saiyan was turned into a child’s play thing

Gokus entire character was retconned from being a random boy to being a space alien

Every planet seems to have a set of dragonballs.

Oda is literally following Toriyamas script

Kamehameha is a technique that everybody can learn. Master Roshi "taught" Goku and then Kurilin also learned. Still who can use Kamehameha? Master Roshi, Goku, Kurillin, Gohan and Cell? Anyone else?

Super Sayan is a transformation that can also be taught/learned and it is well explained how future generations of sayan/half-sayans have more potential than previous ones. Still Pan is not even turning SSJ at DBGT.

Goku became Oozaru during the first few episodes of Dragon Ball(I guess episode 12 or 13) how is that being retconned from a random boy to a space alien? Goku was never a random boy. He has a tail and becomes a monster.

What is the problem with every planet having a set of dragonball, I'm not full aware of DB series lore but I don't think that is true. Isn't Namek the planet where all dragonballs were created?
Every planet having dragonball is much better than only Earth having it. And the point of my post is that DB series would suck if they started to make Dragon Balls on their own and creating Shelongs on their own. Imagine an Android Shelong made out of Capsule Corps Dragon Balls...

Oda has nothing to do with Toriyama script. Toriyama has couples and lovely relationships on his work while Oda doesn't for example.

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The users must still be clones, though. This is hardly handing out DFs like candy, though I don‘t like all this cloning. Cheap.

Clones? You mean Robots? Still not getting your point. And we already had the Pacifista replicating Kizaru's light laser beam...

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Like I said you don't know what creativity is so you stop at the first definition. So spoiler: The creation of original work out of nothing doesn't exist. Every work of art needs to have an inspiration. That's why I said that creativity is the ability of creating a work out of multiple possibilities. ANd that's EXACTLY what Luffy is doing.

Only you believe in your term of creativity.

To understand what I'm saying you would need actual background in storytelling or you could also read that article that I wrote on the subject:

https://carrotfornakama.wixsite.com/anyonefornakama/post/concept-planting

You should understand what I'm saying after that.

Another of your self created terms? No thanks. As I said previously I don't know who you are so stop pretend you are someone relevant in literature community.

Watch this video, you will understand what I'm saying by "what is not said is important":

Nope I won't.

Again.. you don't know what creativity is.

Again, only you believe in your "dictionary"

Wrong, Ultimate in that context means that the fruit fit now PERFECTLY Luffy's mindset.

Oh yes, god of interpretation you are don't you? Your dictionary would make English PhD's lose their diplomas.

I'm sure he can. You can go stronger while stayin in the same form. THis is not DBZ.

Agreed but no more power ups for him.

You don't have twitter, do ya ?

I don't need to be on twitter to know this. Do you really think twitter replicates the whole world when you easily trap yourself in bubbles of what you like following in twitter?
You can't even find One Piece here.

Oh yeah.. the average bad take of "Everything was better pretime skip"..

Yeah, watch some analysis video about the new world, you might understand a things or two.

I've watched a lot before Nika DF reveal. Then I stopped because they all suck. New World sucks as a whole compared to Pre-timeskip.

Still no, it's a narrative term. But yeah.. you would need to actually understand what milking is to know.. WAIT I also wrote an article on the milking technique ! HEre you go:

https://carrotfornakama.wixsite.com/anyonefornakama/post/concept-milking

Keep your article to yourself. You are irrelevant.

 

[Lord fifth]

He already created a mythical zoan so why not again

Sir reading is recommended.

One mythical Zoan took him a large amount of resources and years to finish plus the DNA of the original user, Luffy only met vegapunk now, so it would take years and years and a ton of money just to make a pre awakening Nika fruit which is useless.

 

[Rumble]

Oda is not fucking up, he's making decisions you don't find agreeable.

I hate everything about Gears 5. I think Wano was a major disappointment. In fact, with the exception of Zou and early parts of Punk Hazard, post-timeskip One Piece has more or less been a complete letdown for me. WCI was thoroughly mediocre. Dressrosa sucked and dragged on forever. Punk Hazard was okay at best (though I really like parts of it). Fishman Island was mishandled, boring and generally bad. The reunion arc at the very start of it all was underwhelming as hell.

As much as I still love One Piece, in my view, Oda's lost his sense of balance as a storyteller a long time ago and it's come at the cost of the story short-changing every just about concept and character in it - Luffy included.

That's just my opinion though. Ultimately the only audience that matters is an audience of one: Oda himself. If he's pleased with his storytelling decisions, then they're the right storytelling decisions as far as he is concerned. For better or worse, we're just going to have to live the with that - it's what we were doing the entire time we happened to like his decisions.

 

[Herrera95]

Sir reading is recommended.

One mythical Zoan took him a large amount of resources and years to finish plus the DNA of the original user, Luffy only met vegapunk now, so it would take years and years and a ton of money just to make a pre awakening Nika fruit which is useless.

Kaido was most likely the first Mythical Zoan he replicated and he bothered himself because the colour was different.

The first one is always the hardest because he is learning the process. Now that he knows would be a lot easier to replicate Luffy.

We could expect all strawhats(or at least the ones without DF) and his fleet and all allies to have a copy of Luffy's DF just like Naruto made a bunch of random using Kyuubi's chakra during war.

 

[Adamxero]

One Piece is good.

@Herrera95 been down bad ever since ZKK crumbled to dust.

 

[Herrera95]

One Piece is good.

@Herrera95 been down bad ever since ZKK crumbled to dust.

ZKK not happening is awful but my opinion would be the same just because of Luffy's DF.