Questions & Mysteries Why is Shiliew constantly brought up as this Top Tier swordsman that could kill Mihawk?

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#21
Mihawk can never be Zoro's EoS fight

He's not a BB pirate nor a Gorosei or Admiral. So how's he even gonna fight zoro?
For what? They developed a bond of 2 years as master and student
If Oda wanted zoro vs Mihawk again, he would never have him train under Mihawk for 2 years.

The dude isn't even a warlord anymore
He's done playing a role unless he joins shanks to face BB pirates
What kind of logic is this Ndule. Then what would the point of having hyped this fight have been throughout the series. How does being one of those guys even relate here.
 
#23
Mihawk can never be Zoro's EoS fight

He's not a BB pirate nor a Gorosei or Admiral. So how's he even gonna fight zoro?
For what? They developed a bond of 2 years as master and student
If Oda wanted zoro vs Mihawk again, he would never have him train under Mihawk for 2 years.

The dude isn't even a warlord anymore
He's done playing a role unless he joins shanks to face BB pirates
Why does Mihawk have to fight Zoro during the final war is my question? Because that is what your entire premise of Zoro and Mihawk never fighting is built upon. One Piece is bound to have a long as fuck prologue. Zoro very well could fight him there. Zoro has other potential people he can fight in this war, like Shiliew, and Admrial or Gandi Gorosei for all I care.

Where the fuck is it written their clash needs to be in the final war, as mortal enemies, for it to be possible? Mihawk was introduced in Chapter 49 ffs! And you are genuinely making the claim that he and Zoro will literally never clash again, and that he will presumably die off-screen against Shiliew out of all fucking characters? How can anybody be THAT tone def to a clear set-up like this. Its like speculating that Luffy won't actually become King of the Pirates, Blackbeard will. That is the level of bullshit we are at with this "theory" here.
 
#24
I could also see Mihawk helping Shanks now he is no longer a warlord. If that is the case who does Mihawk fight in the BB pirates?... Shiryu
Mihawk could also help Shanks against Teach directly if Teach gets something really powerful :

seems he was going to try to steal this so called "reward" from the Marines , either Pluton in Alabasta or one of the Warlords , i'm leaning towards Pluton .

meanwhile Shiryu can fight Beckmann .​
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#27
Oh shit. Just realized something.
Ame no Habakiri>>>>Oden's second sword.
Shiryu is known as "Ame no Shiryu" (shiryu of the rain).
:hope:
I don't think both are the same. As in, the Kanji and the meaning of Ame in both the cases are different - the kanji used in Ame no Habakiri means Heaven and the Kanji used in Shiryu's epithet means Rain.
 
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nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#31
Several detractors of Mihawk insinuate the guy will get killed by this nobody for supposedly lacking feats, how he only has his title etc when literally the same shit applies to Shiliew to an even greater degree. Shiliew literally has NO feats to speak of. He killed some fodder in Impel Down, potentially killed Absalom, and is said to be Magellan lvl.

What the hell am I missing? Is it just that he got on Blackbeards crew? Story logic says he can't be a total bitch since his eventual fight against Zoro needs to be at least semi-interesting, but where does the "he will kill Mihawk" shit come from? Did I miss some SPS where Oda calls him a great swordsman like Mihawk somewhere? Or is it honestly just the sort of bullshit logic some people use where since Mihawk "trained" Zoro they can no longer fight? Because newsflash people, Oda won't write out the fight he set up almost over 1000 chapters ago between Mihawk and Zoro just to instead make him lose off-screen to some no feat bad guy just so the "tension" could be a bit higher.

Zoro never killed any of his swordsmen opponents anyway. All his kills are no-names / off-screened, so why anybody thought his battle with Mihawk would be different even before the time-skip is a mystery to me. Sure they will go all out, and "anything can happen" but let's be fucking real alright? Oda was never killing him either way.
Shiryu hype is real, after all, you have to be a monster to fight someone like Zoro. The guy instantly became broken when he received his DF, however, Mihawk is hyped up as one of the characters with the best Observation in the verse so Shiryu's ability will not be helpful vs Mihawk.

The "Shiryu will kill Mihawk" thing is just Anti-Zolo pirates patting each other on the back trying to downplay Mihawk and Zoro, hoping they would get some kind of reaction out of Zoro/Mihawk fans... Nothing new. Shiryu is dangerous but not for Mihawk.
 

Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#32
Funny stuff, Benn Beckman is stated to be comparable to Shanks in the VC and that's arguably a power level thing and Mihawk is supposed to be even consistently stronger than that on paper coz by the time of the war Zoro will likely already stand on that level of power Benn should entail.
 
#34
Zoro's goal is to surpass Mihawk yes, but Oda hyped the day that encounter would occur massively. He did it implicitly enough perhaps and not many are seeing through that, but it's wrong to assume that Zoro and Mihawk is merely a matter of one surpassing the other, in my own opinion it's likely way deeper than that.
This.

What many people seem to neglect is that Zoro vs Mihawk can easily take place after the final war with at least Luffy witnessing the fight. To begin with, Zoro vs Mihawk is never a plot-related fight since the goal is something personal to Zoro.

This means, the fight taking place in a prologue to conclude the series after all the main plots have been dealt with should be a real possibility, especially since it is not detrimental to the progress of the storyline.
 
#35
They want the person who kills Mihawk to be weaker than the person who kills Shanks lol.

Either way, Mihawk doesn't have to 'fall' at a specific point for the sake of plot. Mihawk vs Zoro can literally be the final fight in the story and it wouldn't affect anything except for some powerscalers' mental states.
 
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Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#36
This.

What many people seem to neglect is that Zoro vs Mihawk can easily take place after the final war with at least Luffy witnessing the fight. To begin with, Zoro vs Mihawk is never a plot-related fight since the goal is something personal to Zoro.

This means, the fight taking place in a prologue to conclude the series after all the main plots have been dealt with should be a real possibility, especially since it is not detrimental to the progress of the storyline.
Yes I feel Zoro vs Mihawk is not something unfolding prior to the final war and some other arc occurring.

There's a consistent chance it will even be his last main fight.
 
#38
Plot.

Zoro to have the most vicious and difficult Sword fight would have to be someone who he has animosity towards.

Right now Zoro and Mihawk have no aminosity towards one another not like it was when Mihawk had just beat him.

Add onto the fact Blackbeard is likely to kill/defeat Shanks it only makes sense that Shiryu who is likely the second strongest is also being hyped up.

Shiryu killing Mihawk boys prepare for it.
Didn’t Zoro fight Mihawk in Baratie? Did Zoro have animosity towards Mihawk in Baratie?
 
#39
And what feats has Mihawk? Asking for a postponement against Vista and go after some randoms? Or attacking Luffy without any sense and failing? Or being stopped by Crocodile who run like a bitch from a guy equal to Shiryu in strength?:milaugh:

Shiryu is EoS material since he joined the great antagonist of this manga, Marshall D. Teach, the polar opposite of Luffy the main character >> a nonsense WSS who didnt fight any relevant swordsman aside from Vista in 12 years, stayed in GL and sometimes was pursuing fodders like Don Krieg and with less hype than Kurohige preYami Yami since he couldn't scar Shanks like the current Yonko :suresure:

So yeah, he could kill Mihawk perfectly (though ofc that won't happen). Kurohige will be the strongest opponent Luffy ever will fight, so Shiryu can be Admiral lvl char easily since he is the second strongest in that crew without doubt.
 
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