Powers & Abilities Why isnt the shadow fruit considered a logia????
you have to create, control, and transform into the element to be a logia. moria cant turn himself into a shadow, he just controls shadows
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there is no such thing as "logia intangibility" its fan headcanon.
if you are a logia and you're not consciously transforming into your element, you can be caught by surprise and hit for real. Katakuri's fruit behaves exactly like a logia (he was originally written as a logia in fact, and only became a "Special Paramecia" in volume corrections because mochi is a man-made food.) and he takes damage from a surprise attack. Ace and Smoker both get hit by this Gum Gum Rocket from Luffy because they don't expect it. Franky catches Caribou off guard at one point and stuffs him into a barrel.
The definition of a logia is
- A "natural" element.
- Can create, control, and transform into that element.
that's it.
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the words logia, zoan, and paramecia all have separate furigana/kanji readings that don't make it into the translated versions. they make it a little more straightforward.
Zoan = Animal System
Paramecia = Superhuman System
Logia = Nature System
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there is no such thing as "logia intangibility" its fan headcanon.
if you are a logia and you're not consciously transforming into your element, you can be caught by surprise and hit for real. Katakuri's fruit behaves exactly like a logia (he was originally written as a logia in fact, and only became a "Special Paramecia" in volume corrections because mochi is a man-made food.) and he takes damage from a surprise attack. Ace and Smoker both get hit by this Gum Gum Rocket from Luffy because they don't expect it. Franky catches Caribou off guard at one point and stuffs him into a barrel.
The definition of a logia is
- A "natural" element.
- Can create, control, and transform into that element.
that's it.
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the words logia, zoan, and paramecia all have separate furigana/kanji readings that don't make it into the translated versions. they make it a little more straightforward.
Zoan = Animal System
Paramecia = Superhuman System
Logia = Nature System
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you have to create, control, and transform into the element to be a logia. moria cant turn himself into a shadow, he just controls shadows
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there is no such thing as "logia intangibility" its fan headcanon.
if you are a logia and you're not consciously transforming into your element, you can be caught by surprise and hit for real. Katakuri's fruit behaves exactly like a logia (he was originally written as a logia in fact, and only became a "Special Paramecia" in volume corrections because mochi is a man-made food.) and he takes damage from a surprise attack. Ace and Smoker both get hit by this Gum Gum Rocket from Luffy because they don't expect it. Franky catches Caribou off guard at one point and stuffs him into a barrel.
The definition of a logia is
- A "natural" element.
- Can create, control, and transform into that element.
that's it.
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there is no such thing as "logia intangibility" its fan headcanon.
if you are a logia and you're not consciously transforming into your element, you can be caught by surprise and hit for real. Katakuri's fruit behaves exactly like a logia (he was originally written as a logia in fact, and only became a "Special Paramecia" in volume corrections because mochi is a man-made food.) and he takes damage from a surprise attack. Ace and Smoker both get hit by this Gum Gum Rocket from Luffy because they don't expect it. Franky catches Caribou off guard at one point and stuffs him into a barrel.
The definition of a logia is
- A "natural" element.
- Can create, control, and transform into that element.
that's it.
No they aren't. All logia can be damaged if caught by surprise, the intangibility is not a default property but a result of the ability to transform into a natural element. Blackbeard can transform into darkness, but for some reason he is still blackbeard-shaped and absorbs all the hits he would normally take anyway.
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theres a very common idea in the fanbase that logias have "passive intangibility" and they are always their element without putting any effort in. This isn't true. I should have been more clear.
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theres a very common idea in the fanbase that logias have "passive intangibility" and they are always their element without putting any effort in. This isn't true. I should have been more clear.
They don't need to put any effort though, it needs to be turned on but it's the most basic of abilities for a logia. During a fight they don't need to react to specific attacks, they just need to be ready for hits and they won't be hit, just like trying to hit sand, fire or smoke. Crocodile, vs Luffy, was surprised multiple times and every hit still went through him.
The difference now is that haki bypasses their intangibility and they now have to actively deform around attacks to avoid being struck with haki, so in high tier battles it becomes a very active skill, as demonstrated both by Katakuri and the admirals before him.
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Anyway, the whole debate is pretty offtopic. The whole point of bringing intangibility up here is that the shadow fruit doesn't have it because it can't become its element. Yami Yami is the only weird logia in that becoming the element doesn't make him intangible (which is pretty nonsensical but what Oda chose to write so be it). Even Aokiji and Greenbull, whose elements are actually solid constructs and not particles, gases, lightning, fire, etc, still become intangible when they want to, having the ability to break down and reconstruct at will.
So whether it's passive or takes any effort is irrelevant to the point of the thread in the first place, wouldn't you agree?
The difference now is that haki bypasses their intangibility and they now have to actively deform around attacks to avoid being struck with haki, so in high tier battles it becomes a very active skill, as demonstrated both by Katakuri and the admirals before him.
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Anyway, the whole debate is pretty offtopic. The whole point of bringing intangibility up here is that the shadow fruit doesn't have it because it can't become its element. Yami Yami is the only weird logia in that becoming the element doesn't make him intangible (which is pretty nonsensical but what Oda chose to write so be it). Even Aokiji and Greenbull, whose elements are actually solid constructs and not particles, gases, lightning, fire, etc, still become intangible when they want to, having the ability to break down and reconstruct at will.
So whether it's passive or takes any effort is irrelevant to the point of the thread in the first place, wouldn't you agree?
