Powers & Abilities Why Mihawk's swordsmanship is the greatest
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… also it’s not stated anywhere that Skill can make you WSS
the only thing Zoro ever says makes you WSS is beating Mihawk
not Out-skilling Mihawk… Not out-haki-ing Mihawk… Not out-speeding Mihawk… Not out-strengthing mihawk
the one and only criteria Zoro has ever given is “Winning the fight”
The only determiner for “Stronger swordsman” is WINNING THE FIGHT
the only thing Zoro ever says makes you WSS is beating Mihawk
not Out-skilling Mihawk… Not out-haki-ing Mihawk… Not out-speeding Mihawk… Not out-strengthing mihawk
the one and only criteria Zoro has ever given is “Winning the fight”
The only determiner for “Stronger swordsman” is WINNING THE FIGHT
WHO THE FUCK KNOWS
Guys. You see me ranting on this thread and you think my objective is to give Oda an out?
no. This is in fact one of the most poorly explained world building aspects of the entire story
the reason I know WSS is simply “the swordsman who wins the fights with other swordsmen” is because ODA HAS HAD 1080 CHAPTERS TO EXPLAIN LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AND HE HAS NOT
Oda has not explained what “sword skill” is. Not explained how Mihawk got the title. Not explained why Mihawk never went to Wano. Not explained what black blades matter if at all to any of this. Not explained what Zoro and Mihawk talked about in those 2 years… Does Mihawk know anything about Zoro as a human being? Does Zoro know anything about Mihawk as a human being? Did their 2 years literally living together just boil down to Mihawk pointing at a rock for Zoro to cut and Zoro cutting it?
dude, I too do not like any of this shit… But I will NOT fill in a damn fucking thing for Oda to make excuses for his shitty ass writing
does “WSS is the swordsman that beats every other swordsman” sound vague and not make sense to you? Does it? Good. Because Oda has left it vague on purpose… And that’s simply the facts of where we are, fucking 1000 chapters since Zoro introduced the fucking concept
of course I don’t know how Mihawk got the title. It’s not in the manga. But what’s in the manga is Zoro’s idea of how he will get the title. He simply has to beat Mihawk. That’s all that’s in the manga. After which Zoro will be the Swordsman who can defeat every other swordsman on the planet. And then story will end.
Guys. You see me ranting on this thread and you think my objective is to give Oda an out?
no. This is in fact one of the most poorly explained world building aspects of the entire story
the reason I know WSS is simply “the swordsman who wins the fights with other swordsmen” is because ODA HAS HAD 1080 CHAPTERS TO EXPLAIN LITERALLY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AND HE HAS NOT
Oda has not explained what “sword skill” is. Not explained how Mihawk got the title. Not explained why Mihawk never went to Wano. Not explained what black blades matter if at all to any of this. Not explained what Zoro and Mihawk talked about in those 2 years… Does Mihawk know anything about Zoro as a human being? Does Zoro know anything about Mihawk as a human being? Did their 2 years literally living together just boil down to Mihawk pointing at a rock for Zoro to cut and Zoro cutting it?
dude, I too do not like any of this shit… But I will NOT fill in a damn fucking thing for Oda to make excuses for his shitty ass writing
does “WSS is the swordsman that beats every other swordsman” sound vague and not make sense to you? Does it? Good. Because Oda has left it vague on purpose… And that’s simply the facts of where we are, fucking 1000 chapters since Zoro introduced the fucking concept
of course I don’t know how Mihawk got the title. It’s not in the manga. But what’s in the manga is Zoro’s idea of how he will get the title. He simply has to beat Mihawk. That’s all that’s in the manga. After which Zoro will be the Swordsman who can defeat every other swordsman on the planet. And then story will end.
We've had 1080 chapters, and not a single mention of Mihawk beating someone to become WSS, is your "proof?"
Did you even re-read that before you hit send?
Now of course if Zoro beats Mihawk, that would make him the WSS, because clearly if you beat the strongest, you'd be recognized as the strongest, but to say it's the ONLY Way is straight up bullshit, because someone had to be the first. And if Mihawk, or any previous WSS died without ever losing, that doesn't mean no one can ever be the WSS ever again.
Did you even re-read that before you hit send?
Now of course if Zoro beats Mihawk, that would make him the WSS, because clearly if you beat the strongest, you'd be recognized as the strongest, but to say it's the ONLY Way is straight up bullshit, because someone had to be the first. And if Mihawk, or any previous WSS died without ever losing, that doesn't mean no one can ever be the WSS ever again.
Not entirely sure. There could have been a previous WSS that Mihawk beat, although there isn't a very good list of candidates.
If it was forging a Black Blade, it would still have to be in conjunction with something like being known for never losing a Swordfight, and performing monumental feats with a Sword.
If it was forging a Black Blade, it would still have to be in conjunction with something like being known for never losing a Swordfight, and performing monumental feats with a Sword.
The proof is that Zoro has to beat Mihawk to be WSS… So that’s the only known criteria of getting the title
why are we to assume Mihawk did anything different?
why wouldn’t Zoro’s criteria for getting the title extend to Mihawk?
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@Celestial D. Dragon
When the two swordsmen fight, the swordsman who wins the fight between them is the stronger one
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@Albino 👑 All that is true… and you know what the difference is between all that and WSS… The difference is that Zoro exists
Zoro exists as a person who wants the WSS title and he has a very clear understanding of both what it is and how to obtain it
there is no such person for Kaido or Whitebeard’s title
we can headcanon whatever we want, but Zoro is a factual character who exists in the manga who has a very clear goal and method of achieving his goal and that CANNOT be headcanoned away
why are we to assume Mihawk did anything different?
why wouldn’t Zoro’s criteria for getting the title extend to Mihawk?
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@Celestial D. Dragon
When the two swordsmen fight, the swordsman who wins the fight between them is the stronger one
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@Albino 👑 All that is true… and you know what the difference is between all that and WSS… The difference is that Zoro exists
Zoro exists as a person who wants the WSS title and he has a very clear understanding of both what it is and how to obtain it
there is no such person for Kaido or Whitebeard’s title
we can headcanon whatever we want, but Zoro is a factual character who exists in the manga who has a very clear goal and method of achieving his goal and that CANNOT be headcanoned away
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It's all dependant. If there was no WSS prior to Mihawk, say because they might have died, or retired, then Mihawk would had to have been recognized for doing something else, wouldn't he have?
And let's say there was one, and Mihawk beat him, and it's been like that for decades, then how did the first WSS come to be, when there would have been no one to beat to take the title from?
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Lets say for arguments sake he can cut a continent in half, but we just don't know it. But based on what we do know, you're going to go with the island splitter, right?
And let's say there was one, and Mihawk beat him, and it's been like that for decades, then how did the first WSS come to be, when there would have been no one to beat to take the title from?
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Lets say for arguments sake he can cut a continent in half, but we just don't know it. But based on what we do know, you're going to go with the island splitter, right?
These clowns think there s a referee seeing who has better skills lmfao then thats how zoro becomes wss
@Celestial D. Dragon bozo why zoro doesnt think about skill? In a sbs oda said what s in zoro s mind and it was " strong,strong,strong sword"
Why not thinking about skill?
@Celestial D. Dragon bozo why zoro doesnt think about skill? In a sbs oda said what s in zoro s mind and it was " strong,strong,strong sword"
Why not thinking about skill?
The Marine saying Mihawk has swordskill greater even than Shanks, implies Shanks himself has tremendous swordskill, which would explain why the WSS Mihawk himself, who holds great honor in swordsmanship and the swordsman-codex considered Shanks a rival in that domain.
So either:
- Mihawk counts moves like Divine Departure into the department of swordsmanship
- Shanks has powerful abilities in the department of swordsmanship, based on cutting that are no weaker than Divine Departure
- Shanks was a "pure" cutting swordsman in the days of his rivalry with Mihawk and only got access to "non swordsmanship related techniques" after the rivalry, which would be odd, because why would Shanks pick up one of his captain's signature moves only much later, despite already having great swordskill and having mastered a supreme grade blade. Would sound weird to randomly pick up that move late in the game rather than staying with the skill you honed so much.
It's also interesting how people, by saying "this and that isn't technically swordskill" imply that those skills are automatically superior to "pure" swordsmanship. Let's say Divine Departure isn't a "swordskill". Is Divine Departure really better than pumping Yoru full with Ryuo and conqueror's Haki and slashing you point blank? We have Zoro with a broken skeleton and without conqueror's infusion (only conqueror's outburst) scarring Kaido. What would prime Zoro at his peak with conqueror's Haki and 3 Kokuto blades to to Kaido? He would rip his body apart, which is much more potent than a blunt strike with Divine Departure. That's why Oden clapped Kaido out of the skies with one blow and took most of his HP away, potentially killing him with the second blow as Kaido himsef implied by saying he wouldn't have minded to die that day, if not for the old hag interfering. While on the other hand we saw Luffy with his Hakis maxed out pounding Kaido for hours without success.
So either:
- Mihawk counts moves like Divine Departure into the department of swordsmanship
- Shanks has powerful abilities in the department of swordsmanship, based on cutting that are no weaker than Divine Departure
- Shanks was a "pure" cutting swordsman in the days of his rivalry with Mihawk and only got access to "non swordsmanship related techniques" after the rivalry, which would be odd, because why would Shanks pick up one of his captain's signature moves only much later, despite already having great swordskill and having mastered a supreme grade blade. Would sound weird to randomly pick up that move late in the game rather than staying with the skill you honed so much.
It's also interesting how people, by saying "this and that isn't technically swordskill" imply that those skills are automatically superior to "pure" swordsmanship. Let's say Divine Departure isn't a "swordskill". Is Divine Departure really better than pumping Yoru full with Ryuo and conqueror's Haki and slashing you point blank? We have Zoro with a broken skeleton and without conqueror's infusion (only conqueror's outburst) scarring Kaido. What would prime Zoro at his peak with conqueror's Haki and 3 Kokuto blades to to Kaido? He would rip his body apart, which is much more potent than a blunt strike with Divine Departure. That's why Oden clapped Kaido out of the skies with one blow and took most of his HP away, potentially killing him with the second blow as Kaido himsef implied by saying he wouldn't have minded to die that day, if not for the old hag interfering. While on the other hand we saw Luffy with his Hakis maxed out pounding Kaido for hours without success.