Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?
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I understand if people think that yamato is stronger than sanji.
But people who still think jinbe is stronger than sanji after the portrayal that they got in wano so far is not right in the head
If you want to talk about Jinbe getting shot by nameless Beast Pirates, then we also need to talk about sanji getting shot at by nameless Big Mom pirates during the WCI Arc.
Jinbe getting injured is just Oda's way of showing his durability. The fishman has faced far worse attacks and injuries in the past, injuries and attacks that Sanji still has yet to match. To use last chapter's portrayal as the benchmark of Jinbe's feats and ignore everything he's shown in the past is just laughable.
He carried Zoro . Gave doctor. When Luffy and Zoro is out , he made leadership . Saved tama . Saved alliance from prospero arrow. Save Chopper . Save Momo.
But still zoro ıq loser try humilate him.
Zoro just cut Kaido.
As a reader zoro and sanji has made impressive things until so far.
But in a total , cut the Kaido dont affect fight and direction at all.
But what sanji did so far saved arc.
If somekind of zoro fans have brain , they can tnihk that .d.d
But still zoro ıq loser try humilate him.
Zoro just cut Kaido.
As a reader zoro and sanji has made impressive things until so far.
But in a total , cut the Kaido dont affect fight and direction at all.
But what sanji did so far saved arc.
If somekind of zoro fans have brain , they can tnihk that .d.d
> Robin will change the m3
> Okay Franky is the one that will change the m3
> Jinbei's the one he's going to change the m3
> Yamato is definitely going to change the m3
> Okay Franky is the one that will change the m3
> Jinbei's the one he's going to change the m3
> Yamato is definitely going to change the m3
If you're talking about Sanji's relationship with Luffy and Zoro, you're having the wrong argument. No one will steal his story relevance. BUT, you have to be kinda blind if you assume that Jinbe or Yamato can't be stronger than him. He straight up can't be in a conversation with them without the Raid Suit, especially considering their respective upgrades at sea or employing "Zoan" powers.
Pretty empty statement. Show me a favorable comparison for Sanji, something that can negate Sanji's little bout of competitiveness when Jinbe showed up. Yes, Sanji did decide to abandon his defense when placed in the same spot as Jinbe, Yamato, and Shogun. but he was significantly more damaged than they were, so that doesn't mean he'd look tougher if he tried harder.
Sanji tied up in a Tobi roppos room was able to take out every male in that room then after letting himself get beat up he says he can’t even use haki or it’d hurt a Tobi Roppo. Now he’s fighting a calamity.
Jinbe was incapable of dealing with a Tobi Roppo while their crewmates which are weaker than headliners are also in the room and now he’s still fighting a mere Tobi Roppo. Literally compared directly to franky.
Sanji in base > Jinbe ~ General Franky.
Its very straight forward
He did so tied up and trying to avoid the woman that he can’t hit. Sanji haters really pulling straws now
Jinbe was incapable of dealing with a Tobi Roppo while their crewmates which are weaker than headliners are also in the room and now he’s still fighting a mere Tobi Roppo. Literally compared directly to franky.
Sanji in base > Jinbe ~ General Franky.
Its very straight forward
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He did so tied up and trying to avoid the woman that he can’t hit. Sanji haters really pulling straws now
Sanji got chased by Black Maria and her subordinates, all he couldn't hit, because women.
He still managed to KO all the male subordinates while avoiding the female ones.
Jinbei has no such restriction as "i can't hit this person because specific gender". He SHOULD have been able to have dealth with Whoswho subordinates a long time ago. But he clearly can't do this while still dealing against Whoswho.
It's time for people to accept that Jinbei got the same "nerf" treatment as others before him.
Which is the reason I'm EXTREMELY skeptical about measuring Yamato's strenght until she actually joins and fights on the next arcs.
He still managed to KO all the male subordinates while avoiding the female ones.
Jinbei has no such restriction as "i can't hit this person because specific gender". He SHOULD have been able to have dealth with Whoswho subordinates a long time ago. But he clearly can't do this while still dealing against Whoswho.
It's time for people to accept that Jinbei got the same "nerf" treatment as others before him.
Which is the reason I'm EXTREMELY skeptical about measuring Yamato's strenght until she actually joins and fights on the next arcs.
Sanji took out *maybe* half (I don't imagine a brothel is half male) of the underlings without engaging the actual Tobi Roppo, as Jinbe is doing. Now he's hitting an All Star with named attacks, but said All Star literally just laughed while telling him he can't win. Sanji hasn't hurt shit yet and hasn't shown the defense to call it a real fight yet. If he was coughing up blood on the floor after Blacktooth I promise you Queen will rock his shit when we come back to them.
And the ranking fallacy: Luffy got knocked down by Ulti, a Tobi Roppo, and acknowledged that he shouldn't be taking them lightly. He was about to break out Gear 4 because he had a serious fight on his hands. So if we assume that Who's Who is equal to Ulti, then he's a legit fight for even Luffy.
But he's above Ulti, not equal. He was equal to Lucci, who was clearly out of Sanji's league before timeskip. Post timeskip, Who's Who has been associating with monsters. So tell me how a guy who is equal to a guy who would have stomped Sanji spent time under a crew that would stomp the Kamabakka is now inferior?
And the ranking fallacy: Luffy got knocked down by Ulti, a Tobi Roppo, and acknowledged that he shouldn't be taking them lightly. He was about to break out Gear 4 because he had a serious fight on his hands. So if we assume that Who's Who is equal to Ulti, then he's a legit fight for even Luffy.
But he's above Ulti, not equal. He was equal to Lucci, who was clearly out of Sanji's league before timeskip. Post timeskip, Who's Who has been associating with monsters. So tell me how a guy who is equal to a guy who would have stomped Sanji spent time under a crew that would stomp the Kamabakka is now inferior?
Lmao this is the most blatant Sanji hate not even you can believe this.
1. Queen isn’t going to rock sanjis shit it’s been quite the opposite so far.
2. Tobi Roppo may not be weak, but they’re not as strong as calamities. Oda made it very clear King ~ Queen > Jack > Tobi Roppo. Who’s who mentioned a rivalry with Sasaki, Frankys opponent. Not Queen.
3. How did pre timeskip Luffy beat someone who fought Kaido? Who’s who rivaled Lucci when Lucci was 18 and who’s who was 26, Lucci clearly got stronger than him when who’s who was in prison.
4. Sanji came back from the timeskip much stronger than he entered like the other monster trio members.
When Sanji handedly beats queen and Jinbe barely beats Whos who, will you finally accept that Jinbe is closer to franky than Sanji.
Monster trio won’t go anywhere.
1. Queen isn’t going to rock sanjis shit it’s been quite the opposite so far.
2. Tobi Roppo may not be weak, but they’re not as strong as calamities. Oda made it very clear King ~ Queen > Jack > Tobi Roppo. Who’s who mentioned a rivalry with Sasaki, Frankys opponent. Not Queen.
3. How did pre timeskip Luffy beat someone who fought Kaido? Who’s who rivaled Lucci when Lucci was 18 and who’s who was 26, Lucci clearly got stronger than him when who’s who was in prison.
4. Sanji came back from the timeskip much stronger than he entered like the other monster trio members.
When Sanji handedly beats queen and Jinbe barely beats Whos who, will you finally accept that Jinbe is closer to franky than Sanji.
Monster trio won’t go anywhere.
Exactly. We have Jinbe apparently dealing with a Tobi Roppo as his main versus while Sanji was hinted at being strong enough to hurt another Tobi Roppo without doing anything at all but covering with armament. Sanji is facing Queen, looking like his main versus (hopefully), a Calamity portrayed above a Jack who, while still recovering from defeat, was going to deal by himself with half dead Scabbards while stopping the Tobi Roppo from trying it because Oden's soldiers would still be too dangerous for them.
Hyperboles aside, because Oda loves to exaggerate hyping statements, the hierarchy here is pretty clear. Now Zoro is recovering and he's possibly meant for King as everybody should have expected the moment King and Queen were introduced, and of course Oda is doing once again what he has always done: Luffy takes the significantly stronger leader, then Zoro and Sanji face second and third as that's their level within the (canonically referred) monster trio.
Simple as that.
Hyperboles aside, because Oda loves to exaggerate hyping statements, the hierarchy here is pretty clear. Now Zoro is recovering and he's possibly meant for King as everybody should have expected the moment King and Queen were introduced, and of course Oda is doing once again what he has always done: Luffy takes the significantly stronger leader, then Zoro and Sanji face second and third as that's their level within the (canonically referred) monster trio.
Simple as that.
1. The opposite would either be Queen NOT laughing, or Sanji being able to tolerate Queen's offense. We all know Sanji will win eventually, but he hasn't done anything yet.
2. The story tells is that Queen is stronger, but Who's Who was keen on the idea of challenging an All Star so it's not entirely clear cut. And again, throwing the Tobi Roppo under Sanji (this time "because one is fighting Franky") is flawed thinking. Sanji attacked Drake when he was actually paying attention and got swatted down. You think that shit will work on a triceratops? Again Queen would be stronger than these two, but when he's laughing and Drake disregards Sanji's strength, you don't really have a point about "only being" Tobi Roppo to stand on.
3. Lucci got stronger with rokushiki, but Who's Who has the directly superior DF.
4. He's stronger than he was two years ago, but I just said that this can also apply to pretty much anyone in a better position than they were in previously. What you're telling me is:
Pre timeskip Sanji < Lucci
Lucci >= Who's Who
Beast pirates > Kamabakka
Post timeskip Sanji > Who's Who
There's nothing really making that work for you
Were you on Arlong Park, KF, etc? I had a generic name like yours back then, Buccaneer
2. The story tells is that Queen is stronger, but Who's Who was keen on the idea of challenging an All Star so it's not entirely clear cut. And again, throwing the Tobi Roppo under Sanji (this time "because one is fighting Franky") is flawed thinking. Sanji attacked Drake when he was actually paying attention and got swatted down. You think that shit will work on a triceratops? Again Queen would be stronger than these two, but when he's laughing and Drake disregards Sanji's strength, you don't really have a point about "only being" Tobi Roppo to stand on.
3. Lucci got stronger with rokushiki, but Who's Who has the directly superior DF.
4. He's stronger than he was two years ago, but I just said that this can also apply to pretty much anyone in a better position than they were in previously. What you're telling me is:
Pre timeskip Sanji < Lucci
Lucci >= Who's Who
Beast pirates > Kamabakka
Post timeskip Sanji > Who's Who
There's nothing really making that work for you
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Were you on Arlong Park, KF, etc? I had a generic name like yours back then, Buccaneer