Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?
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But if you joined in 2007, that was Thriller Bark. It was all pretty obvious by then that nothing would change. Before they fought CP9 many people already figured he'd join and maybe he would be a powerhouse, but no one said he would actually replace Sanji. Between Fukuro and Jabura it became clear that Sanji was stronger, but again that's talking about strength not place in the "monster trio." By the time even that forum started it was obvious that Sanji would be standing over Robin in strength going forward, but no one expected she had any way of becoming one of the guys.
It's good you've kept consistent yourself but from sharing a fight with Luffy and then Wadastumi, to their interaction bringing Luffy up, it's a pretty different situation with Jinbe to many of us. He won't be more "important" but the Raid Suit has a lot of work ahead of it to make a strength difference look convincing.
It's good you've kept consistent yourself but from sharing a fight with Luffy and then Wadastumi, to their interaction bringing Luffy up, it's a pretty different situation with Jinbe to many of us. He won't be more "important" but the Raid Suit has a lot of work ahead of it to make a strength difference look convincing.
There's no certainty about PIS not being involved but it's still the best parameter that can be applied for the moment. Then we will see what happens next.
If Yamato performs rather well against Kaido it would be unfair to label it as PIS despite there's no counterfactual proof to the stakes, unless a clear PIS situation can be highlighted.
If Yamato performs rather well against Kaido it would be unfair to label it as PIS despite there's no counterfactual proof to the stakes, unless a clear PIS situation can be highlighted.
I had an account before and funny thing... It was Zoro based... Lol. And he is still my 2nd fav.
With the rest I disagree. Jinbe is against TR like Franky. If Oda wanted him to disturb the dynamic he would simply.put him against Jack
Now people hype up Who is Who for no reasons at all. If Brook or Franky would be the one fighting him and Jinbe Sasaki instead.. people would hype Sasaki more cuz if there wishful thinking that finally someone is there to break the balance after 2 people failed.
But well... Soon we have a new contender people will believe in. But hey with that one I actually can see a M4 happening
With the rest I disagree. Jinbe is against TR like Franky. If Oda wanted him to disturb the dynamic he would simply.put him against Jack
Now people hype up Who is Who for no reasons at all. If Brook or Franky would be the one fighting him and Jinbe Sasaki instead.. people would hype Sasaki more cuz if there wishful thinking that finally someone is there to break the balance after 2 people failed.
But well... Soon we have a new contender people will believe in. But hey with that one I actually can see a M4 happening
Damn, seeing the dialogue between Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji in Water Seven is so interesting. I wish there was more of that insight of the characters' way of aknowledging their behaviors more. I think the last time I really felt that was when Zoro checked Luffy on taking the New World seriously during Punk Hazard.
Jinbe is different. He's the only member who, upon introduction, was stronger than Luffy himself. Jinbe would have beaten that ass, it wasn't close pre timeskip and until we saw Gear 4 it was iffy. Also up to Dressrosa, he couldn't join because it would look stupid for him to be under a 400 million captain.
As far as "balance" goes you still don't have a single person suggesting that Franky was supposed to have taken Sanji's spot. I imagine that's why that weird ass dude tagged you into this thread, because your fan participation goes back some years, but there aren't "2 failures."
And for Oda's intentions, Jinbe vs Jack makes no sense. Jack has had a grudge with the Minks going back over 200 chapters now, that's his fight. Oda can show off Jinbe by giving him a good victory without having to upgrade his powers, while also giving Sanji an extremely difficult win to show off his new powers. That way no one is actually thrown under. I haven't once suggested that land Jinbe should be any stronger than Stealth Black, but flesh to flesh Jinbe is the winner so far. I will gladly take Ls if I'm wrong but:
1. Jinbe will win with a little left in his tank
2. Sanji will fight raw and get slapped around
3. Stealth Black will win "high to extreme diff"
4. Yamato will manage several hits on Kaido and tank several before falling
So ultimately, Sanji could end up stronger than those two but it will only be arguable after he shows off his upgrade. Oda will most likely be able to keep people talking without throwing their favorite character under.
As far as "balance" goes you still don't have a single person suggesting that Franky was supposed to have taken Sanji's spot. I imagine that's why that weird ass dude tagged you into this thread, because your fan participation goes back some years, but there aren't "2 failures."
And for Oda's intentions, Jinbe vs Jack makes no sense. Jack has had a grudge with the Minks going back over 200 chapters now, that's his fight. Oda can show off Jinbe by giving him a good victory without having to upgrade his powers, while also giving Sanji an extremely difficult win to show off his new powers. That way no one is actually thrown under. I haven't once suggested that land Jinbe should be any stronger than Stealth Black, but flesh to flesh Jinbe is the winner so far. I will gladly take Ls if I'm wrong but:
1. Jinbe will win with a little left in his tank
2. Sanji will fight raw and get slapped around
3. Stealth Black will win "high to extreme diff"
4. Yamato will manage several hits on Kaido and tank several before falling
So ultimately, Sanji could end up stronger than those two but it will only be arguable after he shows off his upgrade. Oda will most likely be able to keep people talking without throwing their favorite character under.
Do you need names or what you really want? The whole thread you posted contains people who thought so... And you are confused somehow... I am not talking about Sanji's spot but the concept of M3 which includes stuff as M4 or some other stupid fan made hierarchy because some people don't like this "fanmade" structure and won't get rid of it (Yeah Aohige, we miss you)
Look at the opening post on this thread and tell me what makes you think any of the opinions you have come across with Franky, Jinbe, etc. indicate something like removing Sanji from say, his exchange on top of the sea train to put a different character there, and how strength is relevant to any of this.
Like sorry to tell you, but the same Robin who caught Cavendish would have been able to catch Sanji for a pretty long time if we assume this is something that changed in Enies Lobby or post timeskip. Not a damn person suggested she would be "the new Sanji."
Like sorry to tell you, but the same Robin who caught Cavendish would have been able to catch Sanji for a pretty long time if we assume this is something that changed in Enies Lobby or post timeskip. Not a damn person suggested she would be "the new Sanji."
This has nothing to do with understanding the story
Not understanding the story is not understanding basic things, like it was my point in the post. "Sanji vs King" "Sanji vs Queen", these are just match ups who could have good argues for both happening.
Who's Who subbordinate is like fodder, even Luffy and Zoro slightly struggled against some of them, Sanji just beat several of them while having to avoid Black Maria and female subbordinate. While Jinbei was portraited in a situation similar to Franky, even fighting opponents with some rivalry portrayal.
Not understanding the story is not understanding basic things, like it was my point in the post. "Sanji vs King" "Sanji vs Queen", these are just match ups who could have good argues for both happening.
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Who's Who subbordinate is like fodder, even Luffy and Zoro slightly struggled against some of them, Sanji just beat several of them while having to avoid Black Maria and female subbordinate. While Jinbei was portraited in a situation similar to Franky, even fighting opponents with some rivalry portrayal.
Man, you didnt understand nothing, you're with the casual crybaby Zorofan that hates when Zoro and Sanji are portraited similarly in some aspect.
Yeah, same as Jinbei
It's a lot about portrayal, Zoro and Sanji have are portraited as Luffy's most reliable men (or something like Right and Left hand), and thats unquestionable
Queen is considerably stronger than Who's Who dude, Queen and King have similar portrayal since their introduction, we can't even say if WsW is equal to Jack since the Beast Pirates is all about Strength, you could add Gifter to fight Sanji, he would deal with them much easier than he did while getting beaten by Black Maria and her female subbordinates. Sanji K.O Perospero and sent Queen hitting the wall, bleeding and taking a few seconds to recompose himself, this is something comparable to Marco's named attacks. The situation with Zoro is much different than Jinbei and Franky's.
Thats cuz Sanji would beat Drake and make him look like fodder, Drake is at most equal to Who's Who. Zoro was clashing equally with Denjiro, and Denjiro was parrying his named attacks, does it means something to you?
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Sanji is protecting his crew since 1015 all alone, had major importance on saving Momo while Zoro and Luffy were getting clowned by Queen. It's clear his "vice captain" portrayal that Sanji has, always have, and im not saying he is the VC, but Zoro and Sanji were the only ones who got portraited that way since the start of the series alongside with Luffy, the Captain.
Then a guye comes and say that: "Luffy and Zoro gains nothing by being placed with Sanji", this statement doesn't even make sense, much less has a point to prove
Just proves their mental gymnastics cuz they just can't argue, the best argue is "Zoro>>>>Sanji, M3 doesn't exist, S-Sanji is just a cook 
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Yeah, same as Jinbei
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It's a lot about portrayal, Zoro and Sanji have are portraited as Luffy's most reliable men (or something like Right and Left hand), and thats unquestionable
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Queen is considerably stronger than Who's Who dude, Queen and King have similar portrayal since their introduction, we can't even say if WsW is equal to Jack since the Beast Pirates is all about Strength, you could add Gifter to fight Sanji, he would deal with them much easier than he did while getting beaten by Black Maria and her female subbordinates. Sanji K.O Perospero and sent Queen hitting the wall, bleeding and taking a few seconds to recompose himself, this is something comparable to Marco's named attacks. The situation with Zoro is much different than Jinbei and Franky's.
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Thats cuz Sanji would beat Drake and make him look like fodder, Drake is at most equal to Who's Who. Zoro was clashing equally with Denjiro, and Denjiro was parrying his named attacks, does it means something to you?
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Sanji is protecting his crew since 1015 all alone, had major importance on saving Momo while Zoro and Luffy were getting clowned by Queen. It's clear his "vice captain" portrayal that Sanji has, always have, and im not saying he is the VC, but Zoro and Sanji were the only ones who got portraited that way since the start of the series alongside with Luffy, the Captain.
Then a guye comes and say that: "Luffy and Zoro gains nothing by being placed with Sanji", this statement doesn't even make sense, much less has a point to prove
Just proves their mental gymnastics cuz they just can't argue, the best argue is "Zoro>>>>Sanji, M3 doesn't exist, S-Sanji is just a cook "
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Cause he wasn't a Straw Hat yet at that point of the story, mate. :cheers:
That's why, after officially joining, Jinbei and Sanji are highlighted together in 1017 while Luffy and Zoro were highlighted together all throughout the Roof Piece.
That's why, after officially joining, Jinbei and Sanji are highlighted together in 1017 while Luffy and Zoro were highlighted together all throughout the Roof Piece.
I don't think that's comparable. Sanji vs Black Maria was never gonna be a fight that he was supposed to win plot wise because Sanji can't hit women.
Sure Sanji took out all the male subordinates, but that's like saying: Oh Sanji took out all of the male subordinates of Black Maria, well done, he doesn't have to do anything else'. Sanji didn't take out Black Maria Herself plus her female subordinates.
That's like saying Jinbe can just take out all of Who's Who's subordinates who are shooting him with guns (which is where jinbe is actually getting his injuries from), and then leave or be rescued and call it a day.
If nobody comes in to help Jinbe in his fight against Who's Who, then he will have to take those subordinates out as well. Sanji's fight against Black Maria stopped at taking out Black Maria's male subordinates. At the end of the day Jinbe will have to take out Who's Who plus all of his subordinates if no one comes to help him.
Your comparing Sanji's unfinished fight against Black Maria-that he lost and needs to be rescued by Brook, vs Jinbe against Who's Who + plus all of his subordinates that he has to defeat alone.
The fight of Jinbe vs Who's Who has not concluded, dunking on the fish man now is a bit premature.
As for Sanji "taking out everyone he was allowed in a matter of minutes", people need to stop going for the lowest hanging fruit for feats. Last I checked Sanji wasn't getting shot at from afar by Black Maria's subordinates. Sanji just took out all of the male subordinates and then got captured.
Sure Sanji took out all the male subordinates, but that's like saying: Oh Sanji took out all of the male subordinates of Black Maria, well done, he doesn't have to do anything else'. Sanji didn't take out Black Maria Herself plus her female subordinates.
That's like saying Jinbe can just take out all of Who's Who's subordinates who are shooting him with guns (which is where jinbe is actually getting his injuries from), and then leave or be rescued and call it a day.
If nobody comes in to help Jinbe in his fight against Who's Who, then he will have to take those subordinates out as well. Sanji's fight against Black Maria stopped at taking out Black Maria's male subordinates. At the end of the day Jinbe will have to take out Who's Who plus all of his subordinates if no one comes to help him.
Your comparing Sanji's unfinished fight against Black Maria-that he lost and needs to be rescued by Brook, vs Jinbe against Who's Who + plus all of his subordinates that he has to defeat alone.
The fight of Jinbe vs Who's Who has not concluded, dunking on the fish man now is a bit premature.
As for Sanji "taking out everyone he was allowed in a matter of minutes", people need to stop going for the lowest hanging fruit for feats. Last I checked Sanji wasn't getting shot at from afar by Black Maria's subordinates. Sanji just took out all of the male subordinates and then got captured.
