Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?
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Lmao, let's not take this conversation out of control and out of context. The original discussion was about Jinbe getting injured while facing Who's Who and all of his subordinates and whether or not its okay. Which is something that a lot of Straw Hats have had to deal with in their fights against the beast pirates, not just Jinbe alone.
Sanji gets a feat this arc of kicking Queen in the head while Jinbe is getting shot at from afar and then people take it as the sole evidence in determining their strengths and limitations.
Perospero was already heavily injured to begin with. He just lost his arm last arc, fought Carrot and Wanda into the night, while also getting cut in the face in the process. The man was already almost out of juice, getting knocked out by a 28 tonne dinosaur shouldn't be surprising.
Queen had also taken damage from Chopper and Marco before facing Sanji. Jinbei is fighting Who's Who that is still fresh.
Sanji gets a feat this arc of kicking Queen in the head while Jinbe is getting shot at from afar and then people take it as the sole evidence in determining their strengths and limitations.
Perospero was already heavily injured to begin with. He just lost his arm last arc, fought Carrot and Wanda into the night, while also getting cut in the face in the process. The man was already almost out of juice, getting knocked out by a 28 tonne dinosaur shouldn't be surprising.
Queen had also taken damage from Chopper and Marco before facing Sanji. Jinbei is fighting Who's Who that is still fresh.
Understand what? I like the M3 dynamic but because I like that doesn't mean that I would believe in stuff like Zoro>=Sanji when the feats don't support such a claim. Y'all love to use portrayal to power scale but what is that portrayal going to do in a 1v1 fight? Nothing at all. I am still yet to see them portrayed as equals. Dunno, maybe both of them fighting the same enemy and doing almost the same or stuff like that. Since Arlong park we saw the difference between Zoro and Sanji. Again, sharing some screentime or some panels with X character won't make you as strong as them.
Those standards died when we saw Zoro claiming that he is going after the Antagonist of the arc. Simple. After this arc everything could go back to normal but this specific arc isn't normal.
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Those standards died when we saw Zoro claiming that he is going after the Antagonist of the arc. Simple. After this arc everything could go back to normal but this specific arc isn't normal.
That just makes it more impressive. Sanji being incapable of fighting regularly was still able to do what Jinbe fighting normally cant.
Jinbe vs Who’s Who is his main fight. Oda didn’t let Jinbe beat who’s who and his crew because Jinbe isn’t strong enough to beat a Tobi Roppo and his crew.
Sanji is. He was able to take out the male crew members and now he’s taking out Queen after letting himself get beat to hell by a Tobi Roppo without even defending himself
Jinbe ~ Franky because they’re literally portrayed in identical situations
Jinbe vs Who’s Who is his main fight. Oda didn’t let Jinbe beat who’s who and his crew because Jinbe isn’t strong enough to beat a Tobi Roppo and his crew.
Sanji is. He was able to take out the male crew members and now he’s taking out Queen after letting himself get beat to hell by a Tobi Roppo without even defending himself
Jinbe ~ Franky because they’re literally portrayed in identical situations
That just makes it more impressive. Sanji being incapable of fighting regularly was still able to do what Jinbe fighting normally cant. Jinbe vs Who’s Who is his main fight. Oda didn’t let Jinbe beat who’s who and his crew because Jinbe isn’t strong enough to beat a Tobi Roppo and his crew.
The Jinbe vs Who's Who fight isn't even finished yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves into thinking that Jinbe won't be able to beat Who's Who plus all his subordinates.
Sanji is. He was able to take out the male crew members and now he’s taking out Queen after letting himself get beat to hell by a Tobi Roppo without even defending himself.
Yeah and Sanji has done those things separately. Who's interfering with Sanji's fight against Queen? Perospero is already knocked out.
Jinbe ~ Franky because they’re literally portrayed in identical situations
Jinbe ~ Franky? I'll believe that when Franky blocks Big Mom's Cognac and Akainu's Magma Fist. Instead, the General Franky (not even Franky himself), was in danger of getting pierced by Sakaki's Triceratops horns. Jinbe's feats aren't just rolling Big Mom.
The Jinbe vs Who's Who fight isn't even finished yet, let's not get ahead of ourselves into thinking that Jinbe won't be able to beat Who's Who plus all his subordinates.
Sanji is. He was able to take out the male crew members and now he’s taking out Queen after letting himself get beat to hell by a Tobi Roppo without even defending himself.
Yeah and Sanji has done those things separately. Who's interfering with Sanji's fight against Queen? Perospero is already knocked out.
Jinbe ~ Franky because they’re literally portrayed in identical situations
Jinbe ~ Franky? I'll believe that when Franky blocks Big Mom's Cognac and Akainu's Magma Fist. Instead, the General Franky (not even Franky himself), was in danger of getting pierced by Sakaki's Triceratops horns. Jinbe's feats aren't just rolling Big Mom.
So what do you think Black Maria and all the females just stood there watching as Sanji took out all the male subordinates 
Queen >> Whos Who, stop the cope of “we haven’t seen it end.” Oda sent in poker to deal with who’s who’s fodder so Jinbe could actually fight who’s who since he can’t do both.
And yeah Sanji one shot perospero so he can’t interfere anymore.
Dude feats don’t mean crap compared to actual fights. Jinbe and Franky are fighting people of the same caliber in the same situations of fodder and Tobi Roppo vs 1 and so far they’re having the same results.
Sanji >> Jinbe >= Franky
Queen >> Whos Who, stop the cope of “we haven’t seen it end.” Oda sent in poker to deal with who’s who’s fodder so Jinbe could actually fight who’s who since he can’t do both.
And yeah Sanji one shot perospero so he can’t interfere anymore.
Dude feats don’t mean crap compared to actual fights. Jinbe and Franky are fighting people of the same caliber in the same situations of fodder and Tobi Roppo vs 1 and so far they’re having the same results.
Sanji >> Jinbe >= Franky
In all fairness, WW had to bridge his gap against Jinbei using his crew just to hurt Jinbei a little.
Sanji dealt two attacks on Queen's face so far and you can see that both left no noticeable damage (just like all of Chopper's attacks on Queen).
I'm just saying that it's WW who has to prove himself against Jinbei (not the other way around) just like it's Sanji who has to prove himself against Queen (not the other way around).
Also, remember that Jinbei fought Ace who was a YC2 to a draw four years ago and I highly doubt current Jinbei is weaker than Jinbei four years ago. So that means, we know Jinbei scales around YC1-YC2 and WW doing his best scales around YC2-YC3. Since Queen is a YC2 and Sanji is doing his best, Sanji must scale around WW's power level as well.
Sanji dealt two attacks on Queen's face so far and you can see that both left no noticeable damage (just like all of Chopper's attacks on Queen).
I'm just saying that it's WW who has to prove himself against Jinbei (not the other way around) just like it's Sanji who has to prove himself against Queen (not the other way around).
Also, remember that Jinbei fought Ace who was a YC2 to a draw four years ago and I highly doubt current Jinbei is weaker than Jinbei four years ago. So that means, we know Jinbei scales around YC1-YC2 and WW doing his best scales around YC2-YC3. Since Queen is a YC2 and Sanji is doing his best, Sanji must scale around WW's power level as well.
Who’s who in his base form was using his crew, now that he’s not using them he used hybrid form.
And Jinbe fought rookie ace. Ace in Marineford >> Ace when he fought Jinbe. you can’t say Jinbe scales to YC1-2 when it’s more likely Ace at the time just scales to a Tobi Roppo since that’s where current Jinbe is.
Sanji > Queen >> Jinbe > Who’s who
And Jinbe fought rookie ace. Ace in Marineford >> Ace when he fought Jinbe. you can’t say Jinbe scales to YC1-2 when it’s more likely Ace at the time just scales to a Tobi Roppo since that’s where current Jinbe is.
Sanji > Queen >> Jinbe > Who’s who
So what do you think Black Maria and all the females just stood there watching as Sanji took out all the male subordinates
Queen >> Whos Who, stop the cope of “we haven’t seen it end.” Oda sent in poker to deal with who’s who’s fodder so Jinbe could actually fight who’s who since he can’t do both.
And yeah Sanji one shot perospero so he can’t interfere anymore.
Dude feats don’t mean crap compared to actual fights. Jinbe and Franky are fighting people of the same caliber in the same situations of fodder and Tobi Roppo vs 1 and so far they’re having the same results.
Sanji >> Jinbe >= Franky
Queen >> Whos Who, stop the cope of “we haven’t seen it end.” Oda sent in poker to deal with who’s who’s fodder so Jinbe could actually fight who’s who since he can’t do both.
And yeah Sanji one shot perospero so he can’t interfere anymore.
Dude feats don’t mean crap compared to actual fights. Jinbe and Franky are fighting people of the same caliber in the same situations of fodder and Tobi Roppo vs 1 and so far they’re having the same results.
Sanji >> Jinbe >= Franky
2. Nowhere did i say Jinbe>Sanji or Who's Who>Queen so i don't even know what you are arguing here. Jinbe has already been shot, Oda's already done nerfing him in his fight with Who's Who. Now Oda has to bring in Poker to remove the tool that he created. The whole point of the scene was to illustrate the Beast Pirates overwhelming numbers and their willingness to play dirty. It serves more as a storytelling purpose rather than a basis for analyzing Jinbe's limits.
3. He did. So fast and early in the fight that Perospero never became a hindrance to Sanji vs Queen. So saying that Sanji has to deal with a 700 million bounty Perospero in addition to a billion+ Queen doesn't make much sense. Perospero was there just to be given to Sanji to take an easy W and there's nothing wrong with that. The majority of the fight is still a Sanji vs Queen 1v1, Perospero was never meant to stay in the fight like Who's Who's subordinates helping him in his fight with Jinbe.
4. They do though. Everybody uses it all the time. People were using it for Sanji and still do because before he had his fight with Queen he hadn't had a 1v1 fight post time skip. In Dressrosa, Franky beat Senor Pink 1v1 while Sanji got kicked down by Viola. That didn't stop Sanji fans from using his feats against Doffy that was just a scuffle and not even a fight to be used as a feat in their Sanji vs Zoro arguments. Were they wrong? Zoro has yet to fight King, but Sanji is already fighting Queen, does that mean Sanji>Zoro?
5. Yeah no shit Sanji is before Jinbe, when have I said that he wasn't? Sanji gets Queen while Jinbe gets Who's Who. Sanji got the bigger prize. All i said was that Jinbe's feats and abilities aren't just limited to what he's shown in fighting Who's Who. Jinbe has had feats against far stronger characters that Who's Who would never be able to replicate in his fight against Jinbe. Does that mean now that Jinbe has been reduced to fighting Who's Who, whose feats suddenly don't matter? What do you think people use to power scale characters like Akainu vs Kaido, who have not shown to have fought each other on screen in the manga before?
