Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?
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Jinbe and Yamato joining the straw hat crew my not shake up the monster trio dynamic, but they should expand the crew's main combat force. People give the evidence that because neither Robin nor Franky disrupted the monster trio in the past, whoever joins in the future won't disrupt it either.
But i think that instead of looking at the monster trio as just the top 3 strongest straw hats, we should actually look at it as the crew's main fighting force. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji always gets fights in arcs, they have to and need to be the strongest, not just because they are. Luffy fights the big bad and main antagonist, zoro fights their number 2, while sanji fights their number 3. While both Robin and Franky were strong and were on par with the monster trio when they first joined, the real reason why they didn't keep up and eventually got put back into the mid trio is because neither Robin or Franky are combat oriented or have shown the history to be known for fighting. While Robin as Miss Sunday was strong, she was never a main combatant for crocodile and baroque works. Similarly for Franky, who was strong as say cyborg, was just a gang leader doing petty crimes, not a fighter by nature.
In contrast, both Yamato and Jinbe have a long history of fighting. Jinbe before joining the crew, before he even became a Warlord, fought and injured vice admiral Strawberry, and jinbe's reason and rise to warlord was because of his monstrous strength (jinbe got 76 million on his first bounty, almost the same as Sanji's and higher than Zoro's first bounty), he's been fighting the navy for a long time. Similarly, Yamato have fought Kaido many times, and acted as Onigashima's body guard while Kaido and the rest of the commanders were away in raids and expeditions. Kaido even uses Yamato as a test dummy for the topi roppo to see whether they have the right to challenge a All Star.
So when both Jinbe and Yamato join the crew, it wouldn't make sense that their expertise in fighting would be taken away and just be dumped in the mid trio where they don't actually fit. The Mid Trio is more like the Special Powers Group, Robin is Hax for fodder sweep, Franky is their mecha pascifista and plays as a second gunner to Ussop, while Brook is there for crowd control with his ice freeze, soul attacks and music hypnosis.
So instead of thinking at the monster trio will be disrupted becasue of insecurity or won't because of elitism, i think it actually makes more sense to have it expanded from the m3 to the m5. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can keep their positions and get the 3 most important fights. it just means now that Yamato and Jinbe can get fights against the 4th and 5th strongest enemies.
The Straw Hats will be facing more Yonko, WG and Marine headquarters caliber enemies from now on and after the Wano Arc. It makes no sense that the later enemies the crew face will be limited to having just a Top 3 and no more strong fighters, considering how big the size of their organizations are.
If the crew doesn't beef up with more stronger fighters now, then how are they gonna match Teach's crew 1v1 when 7 out of 10 of the crew aren't strong enough, when teach has been recruiting stronger people like kuzan and level 6 prisoners from impel down, to the point where he has ten titanic captains. Is the Monster Trio supposed to take on all of them by themselves if the rest of the crew can't? At the current rate, the rest of the straw hats are underpowered and god knows how much plot would be needed to win.
Adding stronger members like Jinbe and Yamato to the crew now would be a good investment so oda doesn't have to resort to so much plot like he does to keep weaker members like Nami and Ussop from dying to stronger enemies. I mean did anybody like how Nami and Ussop couldn't take out Page One and Ulti, so Oda had to bring in Big Mom to do it for them?
But i think that instead of looking at the monster trio as just the top 3 strongest straw hats, we should actually look at it as the crew's main fighting force. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji always gets fights in arcs, they have to and need to be the strongest, not just because they are. Luffy fights the big bad and main antagonist, zoro fights their number 2, while sanji fights their number 3. While both Robin and Franky were strong and were on par with the monster trio when they first joined, the real reason why they didn't keep up and eventually got put back into the mid trio is because neither Robin or Franky are combat oriented or have shown the history to be known for fighting. While Robin as Miss Sunday was strong, she was never a main combatant for crocodile and baroque works. Similarly for Franky, who was strong as say cyborg, was just a gang leader doing petty crimes, not a fighter by nature.
In contrast, both Yamato and Jinbe have a long history of fighting. Jinbe before joining the crew, before he even became a Warlord, fought and injured vice admiral Strawberry, and jinbe's reason and rise to warlord was because of his monstrous strength (jinbe got 76 million on his first bounty, almost the same as Sanji's and higher than Zoro's first bounty), he's been fighting the navy for a long time. Similarly, Yamato have fought Kaido many times, and acted as Onigashima's body guard while Kaido and the rest of the commanders were away in raids and expeditions. Kaido even uses Yamato as a test dummy for the topi roppo to see whether they have the right to challenge a All Star.
So when both Jinbe and Yamato join the crew, it wouldn't make sense that their expertise in fighting would be taken away and just be dumped in the mid trio where they don't actually fit. The Mid Trio is more like the Special Powers Group, Robin is Hax for fodder sweep, Franky is their mecha pascifista and plays as a second gunner to Ussop, while Brook is there for crowd control with his ice freeze, soul attacks and music hypnosis.
So instead of thinking at the monster trio will be disrupted becasue of insecurity or won't because of elitism, i think it actually makes more sense to have it expanded from the m3 to the m5. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can keep their positions and get the 3 most important fights. it just means now that Yamato and Jinbe can get fights against the 4th and 5th strongest enemies.
The Straw Hats will be facing more Yonko, WG and Marine headquarters caliber enemies from now on and after the Wano Arc. It makes no sense that the later enemies the crew face will be limited to having just a Top 3 and no more strong fighters, considering how big the size of their organizations are.
If the crew doesn't beef up with more stronger fighters now, then how are they gonna match Teach's crew 1v1 when 7 out of 10 of the crew aren't strong enough, when teach has been recruiting stronger people like kuzan and level 6 prisoners from impel down, to the point where he has ten titanic captains. Is the Monster Trio supposed to take on all of them by themselves if the rest of the crew can't? At the current rate, the rest of the straw hats are underpowered and god knows how much plot would be needed to win.
Adding stronger members like Jinbe and Yamato to the crew now would be a good investment so oda doesn't have to resort to so much plot like he does to keep weaker members like Nami and Ussop from dying to stronger enemies. I mean did anybody like how Nami and Ussop couldn't take out Page One and Ulti, so Oda had to bring in Big Mom to do it for them?
The reason why Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were the only monsters in the crew for a long time, is because they all joined in East Blue at the start of the series. They were the first monsters in the crew and thus have stayed in the crew the longest.
People will argue that neither Robin nor Franky disrupted the Monster Trio dynamic, so Yamato and Jinbe won't either. But like i explained, neither Robin and Franky were portrayed for their strength in the first place. Robin was known for her clandestine and undercover skills as Crocodile's partner, while Franky's only highlights in the Water Seven Arc was just his unique cyborg body and his connection to Robin regarding the Ancient Weapon Pluton, outside of that he was just a street thug.
Unlike the Mid Trio, both Jinbe and Yamato have a history of fighting just like the Monster Trio.
Luffy was trained in fighting by Garp when he was little, Zoro fought Kunia at the dojo all the time and same goes for sanji who grew up in the Baratie- well known for its fighting cooks.
For Jinbe who fought the marines all the time when he was a pirate, even strong enough to injure Vice Admiral Strawberry, and Yamato who would have fought many people when she was defending Wano while kaido was away, and even challenging and fighting kaido himself many times - it doesn't make sense that once they joined, they would be placed in the Mid Trio - whose members aren't known for fighting and didn't fight much in their past (Robin, Franky).
Jinbe and Yamato will also be the first members to join post time skip, in the New World, and in the Yonko Saga. So naturally it would make sense that they would be strongest members to join the crew since Zoro and Sanji. There is no sense to recruit weaker members in the New World, the strongest sea.
One Piece is in the end game now, and there won't be another time-skip for the crew to train and get stronger. Whoever joins now needs to be strong on their own from the get go.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can keep their positions in the Top 3, Jinbe and Yamato joining doesn't have to mean the Monster Trio is getting changed or its members replaced- it can just mean its getting expanded from 3 to 5.
People will argue that neither Robin nor Franky disrupted the Monster Trio dynamic, so Yamato and Jinbe won't either. But like i explained, neither Robin and Franky were portrayed for their strength in the first place. Robin was known for her clandestine and undercover skills as Crocodile's partner, while Franky's only highlights in the Water Seven Arc was just his unique cyborg body and his connection to Robin regarding the Ancient Weapon Pluton, outside of that he was just a street thug.
Unlike the Mid Trio, both Jinbe and Yamato have a history of fighting just like the Monster Trio.
Luffy was trained in fighting by Garp when he was little, Zoro fought Kunia at the dojo all the time and same goes for sanji who grew up in the Baratie- well known for its fighting cooks.
For Jinbe who fought the marines all the time when he was a pirate, even strong enough to injure Vice Admiral Strawberry, and Yamato who would have fought many people when she was defending Wano while kaido was away, and even challenging and fighting kaido himself many times - it doesn't make sense that once they joined, they would be placed in the Mid Trio - whose members aren't known for fighting and didn't fight much in their past (Robin, Franky).
Jinbe and Yamato will also be the first members to join post time skip, in the New World, and in the Yonko Saga. So naturally it would make sense that they would be strongest members to join the crew since Zoro and Sanji. There is no sense to recruit weaker members in the New World, the strongest sea.
One Piece is in the end game now, and there won't be another time-skip for the crew to train and get stronger. Whoever joins now needs to be strong on their own from the get go.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji can keep their positions in the Top 3, Jinbe and Yamato joining doesn't have to mean the Monster Trio is getting changed or its members replaced- it can just mean its getting expanded from 3 to 5.
Hold up, franky was a prominent bounty hunter before he joined. He fought equally with Luffy and was the first to defeat a CP9 agent.
Robin was introduced as the strongest woman of Baroque works standing with a warlord of the sea. She lowdiffed people left and right when she was introduced. Look at Baroque Works, Pell was the greatest warrior in Alabasta and she annihilated him without issue.
I get what you’re saying but saying franky or Robin weren’t portrayed as powerhouses known for strength is just incorrect.
Robin was introduced as the strongest woman of Baroque works standing with a warlord of the sea. She lowdiffed people left and right when she was introduced. Look at Baroque Works, Pell was the greatest warrior in Alabasta and she annihilated him without issue.
I get what you’re saying but saying franky or Robin weren’t portrayed as powerhouses known for strength is just incorrect.
rea question is that time could sanji use armanent haki ? I am doubt . If he did not use CoA against Vergo , crack normal . Also , ı prefer not to say anything about unfinished fight.
very delightful. evidence is queen vs sanji. ı mean even thought sanji did not get any serious fight after PS , sanji haki fountain seems opening so much.
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very delightful. evidence is queen vs sanji. ı mean even thought sanji did not get any serious fight after PS , sanji haki fountain seems opening so much.
Yes but the point is that they weren't regular fighters in their past occupations. Franky as a mob boss probably just picked on weaklings like Ussop normally and Luffy and Enies Lobby was the first time where Franky had to get really serious, while Crocodile never gave Robin the Miss all Sunday title because of her strength.
And considering their performance after joining the crew, Robin reduced to fodder sweep, and Franky taking Ussop's place as the gunner of the crew just confirms this.
Jinbe and Yamato are more used to fighting because of their circumstances, occupation and past history , if they were to join- it wouldn't make sense to throw them in the mid trio and take away what they are good at, which is fighting.
So they are more like the Monster Trio than the Mid Trio role wise, even if they are not as strong as the Monster Trio.
And considering their performance after joining the crew, Robin reduced to fodder sweep, and Franky taking Ussop's place as the gunner of the crew just confirms this.
Jinbe and Yamato are more used to fighting because of their circumstances, occupation and past history , if they were to join- it wouldn't make sense to throw them in the mid trio and take away what they are good at, which is fighting.
So they are more like the Monster Trio than the Mid Trio role wise, even if they are not as strong as the Monster Trio.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were confirmed at the very beginning of the timeskip to have armament and observation haki. Sanji knew how to use armament back in Punk hazard but he didnt use it otherwise we would have seen a clear indication or somebody stating that he activated it like usual with other characters.
Above is the monster trio being shown using observation haki.
Luffy confirms zoro and sanji can use haki
Above is the monster trio being shown using observation haki.
Luffy confirms zoro and sanji can use haki
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji were confirmed at the very beginning of the timeskip to have armament and observation haki. Sanji knew how to use armament back in Punk hazard but he didnt use it otherwise we would have seen a clear indication or somebody stating that he activated it like usual with other characters.
Above is the monster trio being shown using observation haki.
Luffy confirms zoro and sanji can use haki
Above is the monster trio being shown using observation haki.
Luffy confirms zoro and sanji can use haki
