Character Discussion Why Monster Trio dynamic will never change and why it's one of the best things OP has to offer?

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We don't know which kind of training sanji got.
Probably , he just trained himself. Noone guide him of trained him about that.
He had to take on the 100 recipee masters still. I bet they could probably utilize.

We need to remember that basic armament is not that uncommon to attain and if furthermore he challenged Iva too even better probablistically.

Plus why would Sanji not learn CoA? When would have he learned it differently? On PH? Never? It's much more likely that he had it all the time.
 
He had to take on the 100 recipee masters still. I bet they could probably utilize.

We need to remember that basic armament is not that uncommon to attain and if furthermore he challenged Iva too even better probablistically.

Plus why would Sanji not learn CoA? When would have he learned it differently? On PH? Never? It's much more likely that he had it all the time.
He can learn why not? But when lufft and zoro entered new world . They seems they have advanced type of armanent .

But sanji did not have because of training style.

Also , hali issue is getting boring day by day.

When sanji separate from group due hearing Black Maria , luffy asked jimbei where is the sanji ?

Jimbei made a predictions . He must perceive something .

And luffy said that there is lots of things about haki I need to learn.

We know that when luffy fighting katakuri , he activated advanced observation as much as challenging to Kata. Until that panel , best CoO belong to LUffy in crew. But I'm confusing about that panel.

Luffy is user of all advanced type haki. How can he say there are lots of thing that he don't know.

Or this sentence just was said to state how powerful coO sanji has .
 

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Queen Gunko!➡️⬆️⬇️⬅️
What was the evidence for Queen's skull to be cracked? I don't remember.
The crack SFX.
I just don't buy Queen's endurance > Big Mom's endurance.

Are you sure it wasn't Queen's cheek bone that Sanji cracked?



Jack? Not Big Mom?
I never said Queen's endurance >>> Big Mom's endurance. And you are confusing durability and endurance here. They're not the same. Kaido have better endurance than Big Mom because he's a mythical Zoan but his skin can get pierced easily whereas Big Mom's skin is like a iron balloon but I doubt she can keep up with Kaido.

And maybe it was Queen's cheek bone but the point is that something inside Queen broke.

And why would Jinbei fight Big Mom lol?
rea question is that time could sanji use armanent haki ? I am doubt . If he did not use CoA against Vergo , crack normal . Also , ı prefer not to say anything about unfinished fight.
There's no indication of Sanji using CoA against Vergo. Same for Vergo.
 
I never said Queen's endurance >>> Big Mom's endurance. And you are confusing durability and endurance here. They're not the same. Kaido have better endurance than Big Mom because he's a mythical Zoan but his skin can get pierced easily whereas Big Mom's skin is like a iron balloon but I doubt she can keep up with Kaido.

And maybe it was Queen's cheek bone but the point is that something inside Queen broke.
Ok, then.

And why would Jinbei fight Big Mom lol?
Because as long as Big Mom is active, the Fishman Pirates and likely the Fishman Island will never be safe.
 
Because as long as Big Mom is active, the Fishman Pirates and likely the Fishman Island will never be safe.
Why ? One of bad writing from Oda again. When they give candy yo BM , anything wodnt be problem . Also , Oda try to seems jimbei is very noble . But when he wanted to fiest time , he turn back crew because of mama game.


When sanji want to abondon crew , we did not see same reaction for Sanji. Captain is captain.
 
Love how everyone is questioning the power and position of arguably one of the most impressive commanders we have seen thus far and without a doubt the most dangerous calamity. Queen has proven his bounty, position and epithet through both "feats" and portrayal and yet WsW a dude who is nigh featless beyond holding Jinbei off with his crew is given the benefit of the doubt and placed on his level if not above, yet King who has done next to nothing besides losing MoMo the key to victory, getting disarmed by Izo and getting kneed into a building is safe and secure placed not only above WsW but faaaaaaaaaar above Queen; I won't take this debate seriously, you people were barking for months about FEATS FEATS!.....ok.......what are Queens feats?: surviving 1v1 against a enraged Linlin and capturing her (closest one to knocking her clean out), stopping Luffy and Zoro from getting to the rooftop, almost killing Luffy with a poison that he created, butchering the live floor with his ice oni plague which was only countered by sheer plot convenience, ambushing X-Drake and taking him out with a swing or two of his cutlass, tanking a multitude of named attacks from Marco (on panel)then was seen clean and unaffected, being feared and obeyed by supernovas and toying with MP chopper then was on his way to kill him. So take those feats and tell me what WsW has done, hell what has King done that is as impressive.....why don't you put King into question the way you do Queen?......is kicking a boat and pushing Sanji into a building doing no damage really enough to set him far above a WsW that is fighting a dude who apparently took on Yonkos, Admirals and Warlords?........you see how it comes off as hypocritical and straight up bias. At least we learned that giving a dude black wings, a sword and giving him as much personality as a gargoyle is enough of a feat to put him above a dude who has actually proven himself but hey he is fat and has a personality so he is a gag character.
You spit everything.
If King had done half of what Queen did, lol, he would be so wanked dude. Imagine if King was the one who casually sliced Drake to the ground without even being a actual swordsman... the whole Tobiroppo respect Queen like he was their Captain lol. People who downplay Queen in order to wank King (God knows how) are seriously dumb, or have that bias against Sanji, which is also a big possibility
 
I think it's pretty fair to assume that Sanji had armament CoA just considering how Vergo's kicks didn't destroy his leg enough to not likely constitute the case.
He didnt used, he understimated Vergo straight away cuz was too easy to send Vergo flying, bleeding and hitting the walk, making him take time to recompose after the attacks. That was the point of the scene, despite that Sanji dodged everything Vergo tried to hit, if you think Sanji lost this just reread chapter 681 and 682 again.

Everytime Sanji used haki post TS, we can see the Black Coating, otherwise him himself or someone else confirms he is using haki. Sanji was also hurt before clashing with Vergo, he just got ahead of himself and it barely meant something cuz he passed the whole arc kicking things and running like nothing happened. It also has a great possibility of Vergo using haki when he kicked Sanji, Vergo was using haki against Smoker even when he wasn't taking damage, he used haki against Tashigi who didn't showed any danger towards him, Sanji could easily make Vergo lose his coolness, and as a Rokushiki Master with a body like a mass of iron (according to Sanji) he overcome Sanji's body durability (who was presumably hurt) but they kept trading kicks until the gas come too close and the fight ending, with Vergo getting out of there cuz he had a mission obviously, why you're acting like his legs should rip apart when Sanji barely cared about that despite a bit of pain

PS: Vergo Full Haki mode doesn't show haki on his legs, so we can't see when he is using haki on his legs.

Sanji, after being pummeled with named attacks by his brothers without being able to fight back, he fought Judge and blocked his spear with haki, this was confirmed by Judge. Sanji blocked Daifuku's basic attacks which showed being able to cut atleast 4 fleetships in a row.
 
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You spit everything.
If King had done half of what Queen did, lol, he would be so wanked dude. Imagine if King was the one who casually sliced Drake to the ground without even being a actual swordsman... the whole Tobiroppo respect Queen like he was their Captain lol. People who downplay Queen in order to wank King (God knows how) are seriously dumb, or have that bias against Sanji, which is also a big possibility
Oda gave more plotting than Kaido for Queen .d
Sometimes , people dont want to understand reality . They know , but bias very big problem.
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Jinbei still has better feats than Sanji
just beast but it is not enough to fight . jimbei is lucky because his opponent just know unconscious attacking.
 
people gonna get mad at me for saying it
cause this days the only measurement for Zoro and Sanji is power and nothing more

but Oda fucked up Monster Trio in New world SO BADLY
Zoro and Sanji fun and magnificent dynamic no longer exist in my eye

he just care about "who will fight who" I'm seeing VERY little PERSONALITY from each of them


their best moment is all in old world
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
people gonna get mad at me for saying it
cause this days the only measurement for Zoro and Sanji is power and nothing more

but Oda fucked up Monster Trio in New world SO BADLY
Zoro and Sanji fun and magnificent dynamic no longer exist in my eye

he just care about "who will fight who" I'm seeing VERY little PERSONALITY from each of them


their best moment is all in old world
That's probably because they spent half of the TS separated.

I loved their reunion at Sabaody, their interaction during PH was also fun.
Zoro getting salty when Luffy praised Sanji was funny AF (even coming back to it here in Wano).
Sanji IMMEDIATELY asking about Zoro's bounty when he saw his 330M one was funny. They reunion during the execution, etc.
I think their dynamic is totally fine. It's just that they didn't get the chance to spend much time together. During the pre raid they were also separate for a good chunk of it.
 
All the interaction between Sanji and Zoro once he took him over from Law has been gold.

- Cool bro moments with Sanji trying to fix him up, escorting him to Chopper and protecting the medical squad while they took care of Zoro

- Cool Luffy's top men moments highlighting their trust in Luffy and refusing Kaido's surrender offer in the same breath

- Hilarious moments with Sanji smacking Beast Pirates with "Cross Zoro" or telling Chopper to heal him up cuz he's worth at least ten men healthy and Zoro immediate callback response saying that he's worth two thousand.

The only bad thing about Zoro and Sanji is that we didn't get enough of it with Sanji leaving Dressrosa, being on Zou at different times and Zoro missing from WCI.
 
That's probably because they spent half of the TS separated.

I loved their reunion at Sabaody, their interaction during PH was also fun.
Zoro getting salty when Luffy praised Sanji was funny AF (even coming back to it here in Wano).
Sanji IMMEDIATELY asking about Zoro's bounty when he saw his 330M one was funny. They reunion during the execution, etc.
I think their dynamic is totally fine. It's just that they didn't get the chance to spend much time together. During the pre raid they were also separate for a good chunk of it.
Zoro and Sanji use to be a force that supported Luffy side by side ... and their personality was the focused not power

straw hats are getting more "power-base" rather than "personality-base" in New world

idk why people like this every single week
 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
Zoro and Sanji use to be a force that supported Luffy side by side ... and their personality was the focused not power

straw hats are getting more "power-base" rather than "personality-base" in New world

idk why people like this every single week
That's the neat part.
I don't.
Pre TS >>> Post TS anytime.
But I still do appreciate the cool things Oda does from time to time. Only problem is that I need to fish them from a pile of generic garbage.
 
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