Controversial Why people are so salty because of Imu and his Gorosei could be the final bosses in the series

So who is the final villain in the series?

  • Imu the immortal king of WG

    Votes: 76 73.8%
  • BlackBeard

    Votes: 19 18.4%
  • Akainu who will dethrone Imu

    Votes: 6 5.8%
  • Shanks, but he will be not villain, but will fight Luffy in funny fight

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    103
#41
3-4 max. I don't see one piece dragging more than this or I'll leave it myself.
I have been reading it since 8th grade.
I went from kid(13) ==> Teen ==> Almost an Adult (21).

More than ... I'm simply wasting my time and energy.
It's not ending in 3 years.

With its current pace 3 years equals roughly 90-95 chapters.

Not nearly enough to write all the stuff we know is coming (Egghead climax, Elbaf arc, finding Laugh Tale, battle against BB for the PK title, buildup for the final war and then the huge world war against Imu & WG).

Just think of this: 3 years ago we were starting roofpiece.

It took 3 years to just end Wano's final act and build up Egghead.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#42
Just your classic end game powercreep.

Akainu or Kaido will not hold up here,not even close

Imu has mediocre achievements, everything about him is fan hypothetical, and Blackbeard was labeled the entire manga as inferior to Kaidou, even going so far as to admit that Kaidou is a fearsome monster.

You can't deal with this and create more assumptions claiming that Blackbeard will become more powerful... Oda needed to get rid of Kaidou and kill him so that Blackbeard could finally do something.
 
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Cruxroux

#43
With its current pace 3 years equals roughly 90-95 chapters.
A year has 52 weeks. Even if I take 10 weeks off.
That's 40 weeks. Which makes it 160~ weeks in 4 years.

Enough to give decent idea of when is one piece ending.
Final arc usually feels rushed either way in every anime (for me)
 
#47
A year has 52 weeks. Even if I take 10 weeks off.
That's 40 weeks. Which makes it 160~ weeks in 4 years.

Enough to give decent idea of when is one piece ending.
Final arc usually feels rushed either way in every anime (for me)
You really aren't paying any attention to Od's release schedule, right?

He hasn't been doing 40 chapters since 2016.

In fact those are the number of chapters he has done recently:

2018: 39
2019: 38
2020: 33
2021: 36
2022: 35
2023: 31 (estimated, year is over soon though)

It's getting less and less chapters per year.

If you're very generous and calculate 33-35 chapters per year, we still would only have 100-105 chapters in 3 years (130-140 chapters in 4 years).

Just not enough if Oda doesn't throw any kind of appropriate pacing out of the window and just speed blitzes to the ending with cutting tons of relevant stuff.
 
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Cruxroux

#48
You really aren't paying any attention to Od's release schedule, right?

He hasn't been doing 40 chapters since 2016.

In fact those are the number of chapters he has done recently:

2018: 39
2019: 38
2020: 33
2021: 36
2022: 35
2023: 31 (estimated, year is over soon though)

It's getting less and less chapters per year.

If you're very generous and calculate 33-35 chapters per year, we still would only have 100-105 chapters in 3 years (130-140 chapters in 4 years).

Just not enough if Oda doesn't throw any kind of appropriate pacing our of the window and just speed blitzes to the ending with cutting tons of relevant stuff.
That's why I believe Everyone should meet at Elbaf and get over with their stuff with each other rather than fighting each arc.
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#49
That was like what?300 chapters ago?

Current BB is imo still weaker as Kaido,no doubt.EoS BB is a different case

Yeah,how i can use the most basic battleshounen aspect.How silly of me
That was like what?300 chapters ago?

And does it matter? Blackbeard ate another DF, became stronger as you readers suppose?

Oda is saying that Kaidou is stronger than BB in SBS... Even now after Kaidou's death you have 0 statements to claim BB > Kaidou, without using guesswork.
Yeah,how i can use the most basic battleshounen aspect.How silly of me
In the same way that Hody from Fishman Island is stronger than the current Rob Lucci and Crocodile? Does Oda really think that way?
Current BB is imo still weaker as Kaido,no doubt.EoS BB is a different case
This is just a dodge from you, the current blackbeard has 2 fruits, he has not been seen getting stronger at all, even if he gets a little stronger this is not proof to say that he has overcome the gap that existed between him and Kaidou previously unless Oda makes a statement putting BB > Kaidou and everyone else.
What will you say when EOS BB had the same two fruits? How are they going to say that he miraculously overcame the gap that existed between him and Kaidou? LMAO
 
#50
That's why I believe Everyone should meet at Elbaf and get over with their stuff with each other rather than fighting each arc.
And how should the pacing work then?

We know that Egghead will last at least another 5-10 chapters.

It will then have over 40 chapters alone.

Just as a reminder - even a rather small buildup arc like Egghead has 40+ chapters.

If we stick to your 3 year plan, how on earth can you shove all the stuff I mentioned (Elbaf arc, finding Laugh Tale, defeating the entire BB crew and then the gigantic final war which Oda said will make Marineford look cute) into 90 chapters?
 
#51
Oda is saying that Kaidou is stronger than BB in SBS... Even now after Kaidou's death you have 0 statements to claim BB > Kaidou, without using guesswork.
He said Kaido is stronger as Akainu
In the same way that Hody from Fishman Island is stronger than the current Rob Lucci and Crocodile?
Hä?What has Hody to do with current Rob and Croc?
This is just a dodge from you, the current blackbeard has 2 fruits, he has not been seen getting stronger at all, even if he gets a little stronger this is not proof to say that he has overcome the gap that existed between him and Kaidou previously unless Oda makes a statement putting BB > Kaidou and everyone else.
Getting the 3 DF will seal the deal and puts him above Kaido.New Gen will always surpass the old gen.In that case WB/Roger.But most likely even Xebec
 
#52
Blackbeard isn't the final villain. But saying he's merely just a gatekeeper for OP is wrong too.

Look at the photos Imu cut up. He knows something is up with Blackbeard. The photos are Poseidon and Joyboy. Blackbeard is something similar.

So I imagine the endgame is Luffy vs BBP vs WG.

But Imu will be seen as a bigger threat than Blackbeard
Yeah, this is where I generally lean on the matter. Imu is rather obviously the grand scope endgame villain of One Piece, but I would not be the least bit surprised if Blackbeard gets the actual last fight with Luffy.
 
#53
If we stick to your 3 year plan, how on earth can you shove all the stuff I mentioned (Elbaf arc, finding Laugh Tale, defeating the entire BB crew and then the gigantic final war which Oda said will make Marineford look cute) into 90 chapters?
Off-screen Piece is always a way to deal with that
 
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Sasaki Kojirō

#54
He said Kaido is stronger as Akainu

Hä?What has Hody to do with current Rob and Croc?

Getting the 3 DF will seal the deal and puts him above Kaido.New Gen will always surpass the old gen.In that case WB/Roger.But most likely even Xebec
He said Kaido is stronger as Akainu
bringing akainu to this discussion? In fact Oda said that kaidou was superior to akainu, however we have no reason to mention that here.
Hä?What has Hody to do with current Rob and Croc?
Shounem logic establishes that later villains > Previous villains, but this rule is clearly not followed by Oda, an example of this is that Crocodile was defeated at the beginning of the series and Hody was defeated after the time jump, and Crocodile is much stronger than Hody .
Getting the 3 DF will seal the deal and puts him above Kaido.New Gen will always surpass the old gen.In that case WB/Roger.But most likely even Xebec
Assumptions again, do you see that you have no other way of supporting the belief that BB > KAIDOU, without creating hypotheses that BB will bear a third fruit?!

What will happen to this logic if this doesn't happen?
What makes you think that obtaining a 3DF from Blackbeard would be necessary to overcome the gap that existed between him and Kaidou? None of this will define anything except the author himself saying that BB surpassed Kaidou, WB etc... But this is difficult to do because Kaidou is dead so statements related to the strength of the characters in this era do not affect him.
 
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Cruxroux

#55
And how should the pacing work then?

We know that Egghead will last at least another 5-10 chapters.

It will then have over 40 chapters alone.

Just as a reminder - even a rather small buildup arc like Egghead has 40+ chapters.

If we stick to your 3 year plan, how on earth can you shove all the stuff I mentioned (Elbaf arc, finding Laugh Tale, defeating the entire BB crew and then the gigantic final war which Oda said will make Marineford look cute) into 90 chapters?
Then Sabaody was just small build up arc.
Elbaf won't be longer than Amazon lily and then we switch cross guild Raiding Impel down again.
And then final war paralleling Marineford.
There really isn't many arcs , we are predicting there are but nope.

Post time skip is simply following pre time skip sequence.

This is final war saga,
Sabaody ~ Egghead
Amazon lily ~ Elbaf
Impel down ~ Impel down 2.0
Marineford ~ final war
Post war ~ One piece final voyage to laugh tale
Prologue ig in the end.
 
#57
Then Sabaody was just small build up arc.
Elbaf won't be longer than Amazon lily and then we switch cross guild Raiding Impel down again.
And then final war paralleling Marineford.
There really isn't many arcs , we are predicting there are but nope.

Post time skip is simply following pre time skip sequence.

This is final war saga,
Sabaody ~ Egghead
Amazon lily ~ Elbaf
Impel down ~ Impel down 2.0
Marineford ~ final war
Post war ~ One piece final voyage to laugh tale
Prologue ig in the end.
There are certainly some parallels, but I don't agree on quite a few things:

1) The most obvious one: They'll go to Laughtale first and then the final war happens. Anything else doesn't make any kind of sense. Like Rayleigh, Oden & Co. said: You learn about the ancient weapons, the void century, the D etc. on Laughtale. Only after the SHs will have enough reason to truly start a full blown world war. Even WB said so btw ("Once this treasure is found the world will get turned upside down!")

2) The lengths don't work. Amazon Lily lasted a bit over 10 chapters. There is no way on earth Oda concludes the Elbaf arc in like 10 chapters and you know that, too. Just a reminder: Egghead alone has 40+ chapters. If we take your comparison that's already almost twice as long as Sabody, which had 23 chapters, btw.
 
#59
Imu has mediocre achievements, everything about him is fan hypothetical, and Blackbeard was labeled the entire manga as inferior to Kaidou, even going so far as to admit that Kaidou is a fearsome monster.

You can't deal with this and create more assumptions claiming that Blackbeard will become more powerful... Oda needed to get rid of Kaidou and kill him so that Blackbeard could finally do something.
Imu mediocre achievements:

1. Killed Joy Boy;
2. Ruled the world for 800 years;
3. Defeated D. Clan;
4. Destroyed the Ancient Kingdom, creators of One Piece treasure;
5. Can wipe entire island without second though;
6. Immortal;
7. Possess some crazy power;

BB GREAT achvievements:

1. Got WB fruit;
2. Got Yami fruit;
3. Became a Younko;
4. Defeated Law and Ace;
 
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