Questions & Mysteries Why people thought Zolo is captain?
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Oda uses real world characters to remind the reader that Zoro isn't some regular subordinate & he could be a renowned captain in his own right.
He's always given Zoro a bit of special preference compared to the other crewmates with his standings. Bounties, Worst Generation, Rooftop, Overall Hype & Recognition by other pirates.
He's always given Zoro a bit of special preference compared to the other crewmates with his standings. Bounties, Worst Generation, Rooftop, Overall Hype & Recognition by other pirates.
Erkan is actually wanking mihawk with this thread indirectly. Erkans logic: „subordinate being so strong he is mistaken for being the captain (zoro)“
Can‘t we apply the same logic to mihawk as well? We all know mihawk is the strongest im Cross Guild, so he is also stronger than buggy. He is the strongest subordinate and even has a higher bounty than his captain. What do we know? Buggy became a yonko because the world is deceived by his charisma which made mihawk follow him.
The whole reason why buggy became a yonko is because of mihawk. This alone puts mihawk by default minimum Yonko tier.
Mihawk only got a bounty of 3,6b because he is considered as a subordinate of buggy. Imagine what his bounty would be, if he was known as the captain.
Mihawks true bounty might be around 4-4,5 billion range, higher than that of shanks or equal to it.
Can‘t we apply the same logic to mihawk as well? We all know mihawk is the strongest im Cross Guild, so he is also stronger than buggy. He is the strongest subordinate and even has a higher bounty than his captain. What do we know? Buggy became a yonko because the world is deceived by his charisma which made mihawk follow him.
The whole reason why buggy became a yonko is because of mihawk. This alone puts mihawk by default minimum Yonko tier.
Mihawk only got a bounty of 3,6b because he is considered as a subordinate of buggy. Imagine what his bounty would be, if he was known as the captain.
Mihawks true bounty might be around 4-4,5 billion range, higher than that of shanks or equal to it.
How is same you retarded clown? Where is Shiryu's hype saying why he isn't captain? You have no argument.
Shiryu used Aokiji to distract Garp and other pirates who tricked Koby. It was a team effort. You are retarded and take the L again lmao.
Once again Lik take the L for lying from his ZKKass. Shiryu literally calls them his enemies are 5 people. He changed his mind after seeinf Teach's power lmao.
Lmao what is this retard talking about? Completely brain farted after I smashed his head.
If BM didn't mention them its WB pirates problem, you moron mentioned BM not me.
I said Marco doesn't say anything about rest of BB pirates, he specifically says Teach is too powerful so they couldn't do anything.
Lik the dumbass proves why he can't read. That only means Oden is same level as WB. And he isn't. Oden is clearly counting his advantage he has for being on Wano, WB will have to invade Wano thus will have disadvantage similar to how BM failed even vs Alber.
Based on his statement, it would mean Kaido > Oden but you don't accept WB > Oden huh you lil bitch? Lik take another huge L.
Moron, Shiryu can take Teach's place by defeating him if he could or let him die by poison. Instead he is a good dog saves his master and becomes Teach's underling. Shiryu literally calls him enemy but changes his mind after.
In WB vs Oden, they fight as well, if WB was weaker, Oden would beat WB and take over his crew so he would lead them. If Teach without Quake was weaker, Shiryu would take Teach's place but he didn't as he knows even Teach without Quake is stronger than him he becomes his underling willingly.
Nope you lil bitch. You can't understand Luffy's power > Zolo's thus Zolo needed to spoofed you with his own statement. But dumbass is still in denial.
Zolo himself mentioned the captain power difference, you took another huge L
Shiryu used Aokiji to distract Garp and other pirates who tricked Koby. It was a team effort. You are retarded and take the L again lmao.
Once again Lik take the L for lying from his ZKKass. Shiryu literally calls them his enemies are 5 people. He changed his mind after seeinf Teach's power lmao.
Where is BM mentioning WB pirates collectively? 
WBPs didn't lose to Teach alone, they lost to BBPs collectively.
You feed yourself Ls all the time, Erkek.
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WBPs didn't lose to Teach alone, they lost to BBPs collectively.
You feed yourself Ls all the time, Erkek.
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If BM didn't mention them its WB pirates problem, you moron mentioned BM not me.
I said Marco doesn't say anything about rest of BB pirates, he specifically says Teach is too powerful so they couldn't do anything.
Lik the dumbass proves why he can't read. That only means Oden is same level as WB. And he isn't. Oden is clearly counting his advantage he has for being on Wano, WB will have to invade Wano thus will have disadvantage similar to how BM failed even vs Alber.
Based on his statement, it would mean Kaido > Oden but you don't accept WB > Oden huh you lil bitch? Lik take another huge L.
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You already took an L for this last time I explained it for you, very slowly. Seems like you still didn't digest it, lol.
Shiryu saves him because he has already decided he is going to help them because Magellan doesn't offer him better future.
Get that through your thick skull.
You already took an L for this last time I explained it for you, very slowly. Seems like you still didn't digest it, lol.
Shiryu saves him because he has already decided he is going to help them because Magellan doesn't offer him better future.
Get that through your thick skull.
In WB vs Oden, they fight as well, if WB was weaker, Oden would beat WB and take over his crew so he would lead them. If Teach without Quake was weaker, Shiryu would take Teach's place but he didn't as he knows even Teach without Quake is stronger than him he becomes his underling willingly.
Nope you lil bitch. You can't understand Luffy's power > Zolo's thus Zolo needed to spoofed you with his own statement. But dumbass is still in denial.
Zolo himself mentioned the captain power difference, you took another huge L
You are slower than I thought.
Here we go again, I will go even slower so even you can understand it:
The world saw Zoro's display of power and wonders why he isn't a captain...
Has the world seen Shiryu's display of Power? Other than one-shotting Garp?
How can you ask for Shiryu hype when the man did nothing? Other than one-shotting a Marine legend.
Has that landed on your brain or you are going to ask me the same thing again?
No, Shiryu didn't use Aokiji whatsoever.
You are simply coping that underling did what captain couldn't.
Right now, Shiryu has one-shotted Roger's equal while his captain struggled with a rookie Law.
Based on that, who has better hype?
You literally just gave yourself an L, Shiryu never saw Teach's power.
Shiryu made up his mind long before he even encountered those that were negged by Shiryu's equal.
You cant process the simplest things.
You said Marco didn't mention others, I said Big Mom didn't mention others.
Yet in both cases, others are included. Is that too harmful for your agenda or too complicated to understand? lol
Your mental gymnastics are all over the place.
You are saying Oden isn't the same level as WB while according to Kaido he clearly is.
And according to Oden's own statement, he is stronger than all others. Oden's statement>your headcanons.
There is no disadvantage for WB, Oars Jr will throw ships up the waterfall like rockets.
Kaido>Oden>WB is the correct order. You can complain all you want about it.
No, you thickhead. Shiryu cannot take Teach's place, the crew is following Teach, not Shiryu.
You should read couple of pages before your agenda panels, when Shiryu asks Magellan if he goes back to cell if he chooses to help.
As soon as Magellan responded Shiryu's mind was made up that he will not do what Magellan asks him to do. Those are facts.
The only time WB and Oden fought is when they met in Wano, at that point Oden didn't have aCoC and was weaker.
The rest is your headcanon. Teach without Quake and with Quake is weaker than Shiryu. Shiryu's desire was never to lead Blackbeard Pirates, quite the contrary, he literally wanted to disband if Teach died.
Facts destroy your agenda all over again.
Nope.
Zoro can legit say he is weaker than Luffy but if he beats Luffy in a fight, you would still believe his statement?
Zoro has proven that he is far, far stronger than his captain, several times already.
It's not me who you should be mad about, it is yourself, it is your disability that you should be mad about.
I know reading is hard, especially if you are pushing agendas.
Here we go again, I will go even slower so even you can understand it:
The world saw Zoro's display of power and wonders why he isn't a captain...
Has the world seen Shiryu's display of Power? Other than one-shotting Garp?
How can you ask for Shiryu hype when the man did nothing? Other than one-shotting a Marine legend.
Has that landed on your brain or you are going to ask me the same thing again?
No, Shiryu didn't use Aokiji whatsoever.
You are simply coping that underling did what captain couldn't.
Right now, Shiryu has one-shotted Roger's equal while his captain struggled with a rookie Law.
Based on that, who has better hype?
Once again Lik take the L for lying from his ZKKass. Shiryu literally calls them his enemies are 5 people. He changed his mind after seeinf Teach's power lmao.
Shiryu made up his mind long before he even encountered those that were negged by Shiryu's equal.
You cant process the simplest things.
You said Marco didn't mention others, I said Big Mom didn't mention others.
Yet in both cases, others are included. Is that too harmful for your agenda or too complicated to understand? lol
Your mental gymnastics are all over the place.
You are saying Oden isn't the same level as WB while according to Kaido he clearly is.
And according to Oden's own statement, he is stronger than all others. Oden's statement>your headcanons.
There is no disadvantage for WB, Oars Jr will throw ships up the waterfall like rockets.
Kaido>Oden>WB is the correct order. You can complain all you want about it.
No, you thickhead. Shiryu cannot take Teach's place, the crew is following Teach, not Shiryu.
You should read couple of pages before your agenda panels, when Shiryu asks Magellan if he goes back to cell if he chooses to help.
As soon as Magellan responded Shiryu's mind was made up that he will not do what Magellan asks him to do. Those are facts.
The only time WB and Oden fought is when they met in Wano, at that point Oden didn't have aCoC and was weaker.
The rest is your headcanon. Teach without Quake and with Quake is weaker than Shiryu. Shiryu's desire was never to lead Blackbeard Pirates, quite the contrary, he literally wanted to disband if Teach died.
Facts destroy your agenda all over again.
Nope you lil bitch. You can't understand Luffy's power > Zolo's thus Zolo needed to spoofed you with his own statement. But dumbass is still in denial.
Zolo himself mentioned the captain power difference, you took another huge L
Zolo himself mentioned the captain power difference, you took another huge L
Zoro can legit say he is weaker than Luffy but if he beats Luffy in a fight, you would still believe his statement?
Zoro has proven that he is far, far stronger than his captain, several times already.
It's not me who you should be mad about, it is yourself, it is your disability that you should be mad about.
I know reading is hard, especially if you are pushing agendas.
You are slower than I thought.
Here we go again, I will go even slower so even you can understand it:
The world saw Zoro's display of power and wonders why he isn't a captain...
Has the world seen Shiryu's display of Power? Other than one-shotting Garp?
How can you ask for Shiryu hype when the man did nothing? Other than one-shotting a Marine legend.
Has that landed on your brain or you are going to ask me the same thing again?
Here we go again, I will go even slower so even you can understand it:
The world saw Zoro's display of power and wonders why he isn't a captain...
Has the world seen Shiryu's display of Power? Other than one-shotting Garp?
How can you ask for Shiryu hype when the man did nothing? Other than one-shotting a Marine legend.
Has that landed on your brain or you are going to ask me the same thing again?
Listen this retarded lil bitch.
World sees Zolo thats why they think
World didn't see Shiryu thats why they don't think
What did you see from Shiryu that suggests he should be captain?
Nothing yet he argues Shiryu is stronger based on nothing.
Shiryu didn't one-shot Garp lmao saying this just shows you took the L again, you are retarded and anyone who approves your bitch posts are retarded as well.
No, Shiryu didn't use Aokiji whatsoever.
You are simply coping that underling did what captain couldn't.
Right now, Shiryu has one-shotted Roger's equal while his captain struggled with a rookie Law.
Based on that, who has better hype?
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You are simply coping that underling did what captain couldn't.
Right now, Shiryu has one-shotted Roger's equal while his captain struggled with a rookie Law.
Based on that, who has better hype?
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Then Koby was distracted by other pirates
Shiryu used that to attack Koby and Garp shield Koby, if not for those circumstances that wouldn't happen, it was a team work then Shiryu didn't fight Garp, Aokiji and Pizarro fought Garp after.
It was a team effort. Aokiji confirmed.
If you deny to take the L you are the biggest moron and bitch in this thread.
Why Shiryu called Teach as an enemy then you dumb clown?
Now you lowball Shiryu's CoO Haki.
There are many people who can sense strong people without fighting. Shiryu is one of them.
Just like Oden and WB sense each other power and Oden become WB's underling, Shiryu become Teach's underling.
But you bitch is gonna deny it with delusion again because you are a moron.
Shiryu made up his mind to become an underling to someone who is weaker than him?
That would only lead Shiryu to death, following a weaker guy would be a burden to Shiryu.
Just like Zolo said in Fishman Island, Luffy should be stronger or stop being a captain.
Same for Teach and Shiryu. If Teach was weaker Shiryu would go solo or find a stronger captain for himself.
You took too much Ls clown.
Moron doesn't realize BM not mentioning WB's crew or other crews only help my argument
I totally destroyed you Lik
So now you say Kaido > Oden but not WB > Oden huh?
Did I tell you Lik that you are an absolute bitch?
If Shiryu can't take Teach's place;
-He can go solo, why Shiryu needs someone weaker than him to escape you absolute moron? Instead Shiryu becomes an underling to someone who is weaker? Remember what Zolo said in Fishman Island?
-Or Shiryu later can find a stronger leader for himself instead.
Shiryu did none of it because Teach without Quake > Shiryu, Shiryu desperately needed Teach without Quake to escape. Shiryu knew it by sensing Teach's power similar to WB and Oden.
Don't struggle like a bitch and accept your L Lik.
The only time WB and Oden fought is when they met in Wano, at that point Oden didn't have aCoC and was weaker.
The rest is your headcanon. Teach without Quake and with Quake is weaker than Shiryu. Shiryu's desire was never to lead Blackbeard Pirates, quite the contrary, he literally wanted to disband if Teach died.
Facts destroy your agenda all over again.
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The rest is your headcanon. Teach without Quake and with Quake is weaker than Shiryu. Shiryu's desire was never to lead Blackbeard Pirates, quite the contrary, he literally wanted to disband if Teach died.
Facts destroy your agenda all over again.
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''SBS 100: Q: I pretend to do Divine Departure and Tougenshirataki (Paradise Waterfall) at kindergarten. Can I be strong?
Oda: Be careful not to use too much Conqueror's!''
Oden was already using Ad.CoC when he fought WB.
Another L for you Lik the clown.
Nope.
Zoro can legit say he is weaker than Luffy but if he beats Luffy in a fight, you would still believe his statement?
Zoro has proven that he is far, far stronger than his captain, several times already.
It's not me who you should be mad about, it is yourself, it is your disability that you should be mad about.
I know reading is hard, especially if you are pushing agendas.
Zoro can legit say he is weaker than Luffy but if he beats Luffy in a fight, you would still believe his statement?
Zoro has proven that he is far, far stronger than his captain, several times already.
It's not me who you should be mad about, it is yourself, it is your disability that you should be mad about.
I know reading is hard, especially if you are pushing agendas.
Everyone knows you are a liar bitch Lik.
Why you didn't vote in this thread poll yet? You taking another L?
Listen this retarded lil bitch.
World sees Zolo thats why they think
World didn't see Shiryu thats why they don't think
What did you see from Shiryu that suggests he should be captain?
Nothing yet he argues Shiryu is stronger based on nothing.
Shiryu didn't one-shot Garp lmao saying this just shows you took the L again, you are retarded and anyone who approves your bitch posts are retarded as well.
Listen this retarded lil bitch.
World sees Zolo thats why they think
World didn't see Shiryu thats why they don't think
What did you see from Shiryu that suggests he should be captain?
Nothing yet he argues Shiryu is stronger based on nothing.
Shiryu didn't one-shot Garp lmao saying this just shows you took the L again, you are retarded and anyone who approves your bitch posts are retarded as well.
Dont look for straws that can save you, they cant. When you debate me, you have to stick to facts. Nothing can save you.
Correct, the world saw Zoro's display of power while they didn't see Shiryu's and now you finally know why they arent wondering why Shiryu isn't captain. This is progress, I didn't expect you to come this far. Ganbare.
Wrong again, it is not based on nothing, it is based on Shiryu's equal.
If Shiryu's equal can neg Blackbeard and half his crew, Shiryu can do it as well.
That's why Magellan asked him to do it, because he knew he can.
Shiryu literally made one move and that sealed Garp's fate.
Everything else is irrelevant. Dont be mad just because people agree with facts.
Garp was fighting Aokiji
Then Koby was distracted by other pirates
Shiryu used that to attack Koby and Garp shield Koby, if not for those circumstances that wouldn't happen, it was a team work then Shiryu didn't fight Garp, Aokiji and Pizarro fought Garp after.
It was a team effort. Aokiji confirmed.
If you deny to take the L you are the biggest moron and bitch in this thread.
Then Koby was distracted by other pirates
Shiryu used that to attack Koby and Garp shield Koby, if not for those circumstances that wouldn't happen, it was a team work then Shiryu didn't fight Garp, Aokiji and Pizarro fought Garp after.
It was a team effort. Aokiji confirmed.
If you deny to take the L you are the biggest moron and bitch in this thread.
So it was Garp+Coby against Shiryu and Shiryu accomplished his goal?
There was no team effort in Shiryu managing to pierce the man who hunted the Pirate King.
Not a single other BB pirate was involved. Only Garp and Coby are involved and Shiryu stole the spotlight.
Why Shiryu called Teach as an enemy then you dumb clown?
Now you lowball Shiryu's CoO Haki.
There are many people who can sense strong people without fighting. Shiryu is one of them.
Just like Oden and WB sense each other power and Oden become WB's underling, Shiryu become Teach's underling.
But you bitch is gonna deny it with delusion again because you are a moron.
Shiryu made up his mind to become an underling to someone who is weaker than him?
That would only lead Shiryu to death, following a weaker guy would be a burden to Shiryu.
Just like Zolo said in Fishman Island, Luffy should be stronger or stop being a captain.
Same for Teach and Shiryu. If Teach was weaker Shiryu would go solo or find a stronger captain for himself.
You took too much Ls clown.
Now you lowball Shiryu's CoO Haki.
There are many people who can sense strong people without fighting. Shiryu is one of them.
Just like Oden and WB sense each other power and Oden become WB's underling, Shiryu become Teach's underling.
But you bitch is gonna deny it with delusion again because you are a moron.
Shiryu made up his mind to become an underling to someone who is weaker than him?
That would only lead Shiryu to death, following a weaker guy would be a burden to Shiryu.
Just like Zolo said in Fishman Island, Luffy should be stronger or stop being a captain.
Same for Teach and Shiryu. If Teach was weaker Shiryu would go solo or find a stronger captain for himself.
You took too much Ls clown.
And now, I will debunk your headcanons.
Zoro never said Luffy should be stronger or stop being a captain.
Having base CoC changes absolutely nothing in Zoro vs Luffy so the ability that Zoro saw isn't making Luffy any stronger.
Same for Shiryu, he too joined Teach for his own reasons - he didn't want to stay in jail any longer.
The only thing Shiryu knows about Blackbeard in that moment is that he is a Warlord who disobeyed the Government aka lost his position aka he traded it for something better. Joining such a guy sounds like a promising future and that's exactly what he is waiting for. Yes, Shiryu joined someone who is weaker than him, he literally saw his equal neg Blackbeard and half his crew with his own eyes.
You didn't realize that?
Moron doesn't realize BM not mentioning WB's crew or other crews only help my argument
I totally destroyed you Lik
I totally destroyed you Lik
Once again, both Marco and BM include others despite talking just about WB and Teach.
Has it finally managed to go through your thick head or still bouncing off? lol
So now you say Kaido > Oden but not WB > Oden huh?
Did I tell you Lik that you are an absolute bitch?
Did I tell you Lik that you are an absolute bitch?
Is such a simple thing too complicated for your brain or what? Sounds like an absolute bitch is schooling you again.
Boy, you are denser than I thought... Seems like everything is too complicated for you.
The world simply doesn't work the way you think it does. I will make some things clear for you. Pay attention now.
Shiryu cannot go solo, he would be a fugitive and on the run forever and that is not a life he wants.
He is looking for shelter of an organizations and the Warlord who is ready to lose the title is obviously trading it for something bigger.
That is what Shiryu is looking for, an organization that can protect him, he is not looking for a guy stronger than himself.
Did you really think that when Shiryu saw Magellan neg BB pirates, he thought - this trash is stronger than me?
Didnt Mihawk already walk you through all of this and you still fail to understand it?
Do you think Mihawk joined Crocodile because he is stronger than him or because he has a shelter in a large organization?
That is how you debunk Erkek, the little agenda boy. With undeniable facts.
Once again I proved your liar ass wrong. Oda literally says this was Ad.CoC:
''SBS 100: Q: I pretend to do Divine Departure and Tougenshirataki (Paradise Waterfall) at kindergarten. Can I be strong?
Oda: Be careful not to use too much Conqueror's!''
Oden was already using Ad.CoC when he fought WB.
Another L for you Lik the clown.
''SBS 100: Q: I pretend to do Divine Departure and Tougenshirataki (Paradise Waterfall) at kindergarten. Can I be strong?
Oda: Be careful not to use too much Conqueror's!''
Oden was already using Ad.CoC when he fought WB.
Another L for you Lik the clown.
Oden is literally dumbfounded when he is hit by aCoC for the first time against Roger.
He literally asks What was that... He has no clue what aCoC is until he joined Roger.
Zolo didn't beat Luffy in a fight and we know Luffy > Zolo. And Zolo himself admitted this by mentionin captain difference.
Everyone knows you are a liar bitch Lik.
Everyone knows you are a liar bitch Lik.
Your precious captain difference didn't help Luffy on the rooftop.
The underling was the strongest guy, while the captain was a little angry boy who was mad that his attacks didn't work.
You remember this or you erased it from your memory because it doesn't fit your agenda?
@Erkan12 i am not going to claim Zoro over Luffy. But that Dressrosa moment against Pica is clearly Zoro putting Luffy above him out of respect. He always did and always will do.
That is his character. Even the Fishman island moment. He was impressed by his CoC not his prowess which at that point is something Zoro did not have. Meaning only after Luffy showed CoC only then he got a compliment from Zoro.
And a serious question for you. For long time i couldn't put Zoro above G4 Luffy. But after Rooftop to me it looked clear that Zoro was always above Luffy after timeskip until Nika happened.
Was Zoro's performance on Rooftop not an indication of him being above Luffy who had multiple training arcs to be able to stand a chance against Kaido?
That is his character. Even the Fishman island moment. He was impressed by his CoC not his prowess which at that point is something Zoro did not have. Meaning only after Luffy showed CoC only then he got a compliment from Zoro.
And a serious question for you. For long time i couldn't put Zoro above G4 Luffy. But after Rooftop to me it looked clear that Zoro was always above Luffy after timeskip until Nika happened.
Was Zoro's performance on Rooftop not an indication of him being above Luffy who had multiple training arcs to be able to stand a chance against Kaido?
Ok explain then. How he was able to withstand few seconds of Hakai and still keep fighting. And your base Luffy was KOed by Ragnarok a single emperor attack.
Explain how this Zoro who never trained before Wano was able to scar Kaido and Luffy needed to train to damage him and still couldn't do much damage until AdvCoC and Zoro made him dodge and bleed before scarring him.
in before you say Enma. Yes Enma helped him output the damage just like Luffy needed to train. But the fact remains that Zoro's Strength kept him going after Hakai and Luffy's failed him many times over.
Explain don't just say he never was omg blabla lol.
I explained my POV of why i couldn't rate him above G4 until Rooftop. Now tell me why he was never on base Luffy
Explain how this Zoro who never trained before Wano was able to scar Kaido and Luffy needed to train to damage him and still couldn't do much damage until AdvCoC and Zoro made him dodge and bleed before scarring him.
in before you say Enma. Yes Enma helped him output the damage just like Luffy needed to train. But the fact remains that Zoro's Strength kept him going after Hakai and Luffy's failed him many times over.
Explain don't just say he never was omg blabla lol.
I explained my POV of why i couldn't rate him above G4 until Rooftop. Now tell me why he was never on base Luffy