General & Others Why Roger will always be better than Luffy

#26
Stupid post. Roger is the Pirate King for the same reason that Luffy will be. It's a story. Things go the way they do to fit the narrative. >Roger was surrounded by tens of ships vs Shiki and a storm magically appeared to help him,
>Roger needed to read the road poneglyhs and a samurai from the only country capable of helping him coincidentally left to become a pirate
>The first (and only person that we know) to conquer the world and find Lodestar definitely means luck was on his side.
 
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#29
Other than finding an exceptionally talented navigator, one of the best cooks in the World and a musician even Gol D. Roger couldn't find, Luffy earned his crew.

For Poneglyph hunting, I guess Luffy was lucky to have met Kin'emon as it happened. Ultimately he had to supplement whatever luck he ever had with his strength and will. For example, it was lucky that Luffy met Nami, but he had to fight Arlong to get her.

So, I don't think it makes much of a difference. If it was shear luck, I'd have agreed that Roger was better than Luffy. But Luffy had to make the best of his luck with his own strength, and that should make it fine.
 
#32
well so far luffy achieved more in his age than roger and we talk about fictional characters drawn with pencil,so if people disagree they can fight to the death to support their opinion.:devilish:
 
#33
Tbh what i like more about roger's pk title is that he was the first to do that,i mean he literally started his journey to pk with nobody being pk before to mimic..
Through his own determination and resolve,he pushed through an unknown and unimaginable dream.He ows all his journey to his personal beleifs.
Luffy on the other hand,started from day1 knowing about a treasure some pirate guy left behind and that is what motivated him on his voyage.
Luffy would have never wanted to be pirate king if somebody never had influenced and motivated him for that.It isn't like he even cares about the truth of the world and all those things,he's going to learn it just because he goes after some other person's treasure.
In conclusion:luffy's adventure could have been much better if he truly started searching for the treasure on his own(seeing something is odd with the world) not because the pk left some treasure behind.
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well so far luffy achieved more in his age than roger and we talk about fictional characters drawn with pencil,so if people disagree they can fight to the death to support their opinion.:devilish:
Tbf roger was the first in 800 years to achieve that feat and had nobody to mimick..
Luffy on the other hand follows roger's path and treasure,when he set sail it was for Roger's treasure knowing it exists.
So of course luffy is doing much better than roger at the same age.
 
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#34
Tbh what i like more about roger's pk title is that he was the first to do that,i mean he literally started his journey to pk with nobody being pk before to mimic..
Through his own determination and resolve,he pushed through an unknown and unimaginable dream.He ows all his journey to his personal beleifs.
Luffy on the other hand,started from day1 knowing about a treasure some pirate guy left behind and that is what motivated him on his voyage.
Luffy would have never wanted to be pirate king if somebody never had influenced and motivated him for that.It isn't like he even cares about the truth of the world and all those things,he's going to learn it just because he goes after some other person's treasure.
In conclusion:luffy's adventure could have been much better if he truly started searching for the treasure on his own(seeing something is odd with the world) not because the pk left some treasure behind.
Nope, Luffy does not care about the treasure. He would be a Pirate either way.

As he is searching for the ultimate freedom like Roger was.
 
#35
Nope, Luffy does not care about the treasure. He would be a Pirate either way.

As he is searching for the ultimate freedom like Roger was.
Yes he would've been a pirate but not the pk....What makes a person pk? Finding Roger's Treasure of course and that's what luffy is after since he set sail from east blue.
Being the freest person and all is good but it doesn't make you pk if you don't find the treasure. .
The freest person in the one piece world is the person who finds the treasure (and in order to do that,you need to conquer the grandline) not the person who roams freely on the sea with no purpose.
 
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#36
Funny how you pull this crap when Garp said Roger was lucky to survive all the way till he became PK or when chapter 0 shows that he was in a very dangerous situation against Shiki but was saved by a convenient storm.
Let's not forget how Roger got a Red Poneglyph for free because he had the right crewmates at the right time, but yeah, only Luffy has luck on his side, lol.

You want to compare current 19 years old Luffy that still has a long way to go with Roger after decades and in his prime... yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
 
#37
Other than finding an exceptionally talented navigator, one of the best cooks in the World and a musician even Gol D. Roger couldn't find, Luffy earned his crew.

For Poneglyph hunting, I guess Luffy was lucky to have met Kin'emon as it happened. Ultimately he had to supplement whatever luck he ever had with his strength and will. For example, it was lucky that Luffy met Nami, but he had to fight Arlong to get her.

So, I don't think it makes much of a difference. If it was shear luck, I'd have agreed that Roger was better than Luffy. But Luffy had to make the best of his luck with his own strength, and that should make it fine.
The crew RESCUED Kinemon, Sanji MVP LOL, he took him along, and risked Nami's body in the poisoned lake in order to save Kinemon, who in turn is a retainer of Momo, which in turn ended up helping the SH greatly in tying them with Minks and Kozoki Family, and introducing them into the "Road Poneglyph"

The SH worked for everything they got. Meanwhile, someone like Law wouldn't go through saving someone like Kinemon, it was even said that during Punk Hazard, as Luffy was giving the conditions to Law that his crew will do this and do that, save Kinemon, save the kids....etc. While Law is speechless.

If it weren't for these kinds of actions, that complicated the arc for them, they wouldn't get closer to One Piece.
Some may say it's luck, but at least, they fucking work for it and they sure stumble on the right people, BUT because they help them out, because they save them, and not leave them like Law (who's a good dude, but he wouldn't go save people). That's what makes the crew ending up getting allies and even more reach closer to One Piece.

The amount of time the SH put to save Momo and Kinemon as well as making them board the ship to Dressrosa (to pick up Kanjuro), then to Zou (to reach their sworn brothers the Mink) on top of Swirly hat crew saving the Minks life from Jack attack, which Ceasar warned Sanji and rest that saving them may be bad cause it's rumored that Minks are cruel and hate human. I think they earned that road poneglyph

Then, Big Mom WCI, the amount of suffering and escaping by the neck of their teet with some sacrifices. They deserved it

And with Kaido's one, it will be a huge war, well deserved as well

Leaving the last one and I cannot imagine it will be easy either.

SH crew deserved EVERYTHING they got, it's sad that people just cannot admit that, just because they see them as the usual "young inexperienced crew" when they should no longer be considered that.
 
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#38
Truth is, while luffy is always relying on his plot armor during every single arc
But luck was never on Roger side
Really
Forget that goddamn movie

What we have in canon is:

1 - Roger had a incurable disease
2 - The fact that poseidon wasn't born yet
...

Roger became the pirate king with sheer willpower and determination
While Luffy will become the pirate king because he is "the chosen one"

Roger fought against Chadbeard, Garp the Fist, Sengoku, Xebec, Shiki
While luffy will fight against Teech, magma boy, and Spandam 2.0 (Imu)
True
 
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