Character Discussion Why Sanji fans are in denial that if Zoro is Ray's parallel, he'll be a VC as well
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The Strawhats will never have an official Vice Captain or Right Hand Man
Just like the Strawhats will never have an official Left Hand Man (most crews don’t to begin with)
The Strawhats are unique in that there’s no hierarchy outside of Luffy on paper. Now I think everyone knows that Zoro is meant to be seen as the defacto vice captain
He’ll also likely be viewed as the vice captain by people outside of the crew by EOS but officially? No
Just like the Strawhats will never have an official Left Hand Man (most crews don’t to begin with)
The Strawhats are unique in that there’s no hierarchy outside of Luffy on paper. Now I think everyone knows that Zoro is meant to be seen as the defacto vice captain
He’ll also likely be viewed as the vice captain by people outside of the crew by EOS but officially? No
If you actually look up what a first mate does then you'd understand that Oda is never writing Zoro operating in that way, nor having such a relationship with the rest of the straw hats. It's too formal/official and isn't what the crew is. But Zoro and Sanji operate as leaders in Luffys absence, advisors to Luffy, protectors of the weaker members and the primary support system for Luffy in combat that can fight shoulder to shoulder with him, that's what makes them the wings. VC/FM/COS type positions are an actual job, like cook or doctor, not just some aura title. Oda isn't going to change the straw hat dynamics and relationships in that way. They are friends who rely on each other, interdependent, "you do what I can't, I'll do what you can't", that's all, no hierarchy.
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I think it's a clear case of Oda designing something in his mind at the beginning, but slowly changing his mind along the way
It's the whole "romance dawn" thing.
When Oda says these 3 were the initial catalysts, i dont think he was lying. I think Sanji's role grew way beyond what oda originally intended. But this change happened way WAY before TS.
The Kuma moment in TB, imo, is the moment when it actually should have hit everyone that Sanji was intended for more than "fight 3rd strongest enemy".
BUT, as the scene develops, we also see that Oda will NOT remove Zoro's role for Sanji entirely. So only Zoro takes the pain.
As far as importance goes for the EoS, Zoro will always have a single fight that will "set it apart" from sanji as far as notoriety goes: Mihawk.
Its why I believe, Luffy final bounty will be 5.6B, zoro will maybe be close to 4B, and sanji will be below 3B.
Not a power scaling thing, but notoriety. And relevancy.
Take also how Oda cooked some half baked kaido/King luffy/zoro parallel in onigashima.
How he usually puts beckmann closer to shanks than roux and yasopp.
It is fine.
I dont sanji to steal zoro's thunder. I am just happy that my fave gets a bigger role than one would expect at the beginning.
It's the whole "romance dawn" thing.
When Oda says these 3 were the initial catalysts, i dont think he was lying. I think Sanji's role grew way beyond what oda originally intended. But this change happened way WAY before TS.
The Kuma moment in TB, imo, is the moment when it actually should have hit everyone that Sanji was intended for more than "fight 3rd strongest enemy".
BUT, as the scene develops, we also see that Oda will NOT remove Zoro's role for Sanji entirely. So only Zoro takes the pain.
As far as importance goes for the EoS, Zoro will always have a single fight that will "set it apart" from sanji as far as notoriety goes: Mihawk.
Its why I believe, Luffy final bounty will be 5.6B, zoro will maybe be close to 4B, and sanji will be below 3B.
Not a power scaling thing, but notoriety. And relevancy.
Take also how Oda cooked some half baked kaido/King luffy/zoro parallel in onigashima.
How he usually puts beckmann closer to shanks than roux and yasopp.
It is fine.
I dont sanji to steal zoro's thunder. I am just happy that my fave gets a bigger role than one would expect at the beginning.
I think it's a clear case of Oda designing something in his mind at the beginning, but slowly changing his mind along the way
It's the whole "romance dawn" thing.
When Oda says these 3 were the initial catalysts, i dont think he was lying. I think Sanji's role grew way beyond what oda originally intended. But this change happened way WAY before TS.
The Kuma moment in TB, imo, is the moment when it actually should have hit everyone that Sanji was intended for more than "fight 3rd strongest enemy".
BUT, as the scene develops, we also see that Oda will NOT remove Zoro's role for Sanji entirely. So only Zoro takes the pain.
As far as importance goes for the EoS, Zoro will always have a single fight that will "set it apart" from sanji as far as notoriety goes: Mihawk.
Its why I believe, Luffy final bounty will be 5.6B, zoro will maybe be close to 4B, and sanji will be below 3B.
Not a power scaling thing, but notoriety. And relevancy.
Take also how Oda cooked some half baked kaido/King luffy/zoro parallel in onigashima.
How he usually puts beckmann closer to shanks than roux and yasopp.
It is fine.
I dont sanji to steal zoro's thunder. I am just happy that my fave gets a bigger role than one would expect at the beginning.
It's the whole "romance dawn" thing.
When Oda says these 3 were the initial catalysts, i dont think he was lying. I think Sanji's role grew way beyond what oda originally intended. But this change happened way WAY before TS.
The Kuma moment in TB, imo, is the moment when it actually should have hit everyone that Sanji was intended for more than "fight 3rd strongest enemy".
BUT, as the scene develops, we also see that Oda will NOT remove Zoro's role for Sanji entirely. So only Zoro takes the pain.
As far as importance goes for the EoS, Zoro will always have a single fight that will "set it apart" from sanji as far as notoriety goes: Mihawk.
Its why I believe, Luffy final bounty will be 5.6B, zoro will maybe be close to 4B, and sanji will be below 3B.
Not a power scaling thing, but notoriety. And relevancy.
Take also how Oda cooked some half baked kaido/King luffy/zoro parallel in onigashima.
How he usually puts beckmann closer to shanks than roux and yasopp.
It is fine.
I dont sanji to steal zoro's thunder. I am just happy that my fave gets a bigger role than one would expect at the beginning.
Because he isn't the VC at all?
There is nothing about Vice Captain in the correct translation.
There is nothing about Vice Captain in the correct translation.
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Oda's words through his characters
In a world where the Oda deliberately creates a Left Arm, calls both wings and even counterparts of each other, there is no point to have one having authority over the other.
If Oda is trying to resemble the dynamic we see in the Strawhat crew, which seems to be the case, then Zoro/Rayleigh and Sanji/Gaban can't order each other around because they only get actual orders from their captain, and if there are no clear orders, they just act by themselves without needing any lead, thats why it's called wings, they can be independant for 99% of the time.
In this case, we have 2 members that can assume the vice captain role depending the situation. Even Nami sometimes looks like one, but she lacks the other necessary perks to fit the role.