Character Discussion Why Smoker is currently a Marine Admiral (ch. 1066)

Egghead

Egghead

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nik87 said:
I am a big Smoker fan. There was nothing regarding Zoro in my post.
As much as I would like Smoker to be stronger than all Admirals, I dont see how that is possible.
Whether he ends up at the Admiral level or not, I dont really have a horse in this race.
As I said, I hope I am wrong and he ends up an Admiral.
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If Zoro is about to reach top tier alongside Sanji, Kid, Law, and Sabo + Luffy who already made the jump… Then how is Smoker unbelievable?

The fact that Luffy in a mere like 3 months went from YC3 to Kaido acknowledging him as being on the same level as him should disperse all doubts… Matter of fact:

Pretending to be a real fan isn’t cool because a real fan would be onboard the hype train till it’s confirmed to end.

Smoker will be admiral level especially if Loby is rising through the ranks and known as hero now
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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Egghead said:
If Zoro is about to reach top tier alongside Sanji, Kid, Law, and Sabo + Luffy who already made the jump… Then how is Smoker unbelievable?

The fact that Luffy in a mere like 3 months went from YC3 to Kaido acknowledging him as being on the same level as him should disperse all doubts… Matter of fact:

Pretending to be a real fan isn’t cool because a real fan would be onboard the hype train till it’s confirmed to end.

Smoker will be admiral level especially if Loby is rising through the ranks and known as hero now
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Zoro has always been stronger than everyone. Dude is walking with a literal god mode since Enies Lobby.
Not a single character is capable of remotely anything like that. Zoro being #1 is simply what he is made to be.
And Zoro has been a top tier the whole post time skip, long before Luffy reached it with G5. All of it is besides the point.

While Zoro on PH was capable of his Wano feats, Smoker on PH was around Vergo's and Law's level.
Zoro advances within top tier, boosting only his firepower, nothing else. How is Smoker to bridge all the gaps to top tier?
It is wishful thinking. Being a fan doesnt require you to be delusional. I am a big Crocodile fan as well, bigger than Smoker's.
Still hasnt crossed my mind that Crocodile is a top tier. As much as I would like it. Same for Smoker.

I can make an argument for Zoro being the #1 in the universe because there are foundations for it.
I dont have such foundations for Crocodile and Smoker to build a case for them to be top tiers.
Luffy and being on Kaido's level is a nice joke. Not even with all the plot armor is he anywhere close to Kaido.
Coby's improvement is 2nd to none and I cant see him being as powerful as an Admiral even if he gets the rank.

Once again, I would be happy if I am wrong and Smoker ends up top-tier comparable to Admirals.
Sadly for Smoker, my power scaling has been rather on point so far.
 
Egghead

Egghead

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nik87 said:
Zoro has always been stronger than everyone. Dude is walking with a literal god mode since Enies Lobby.
Not a single character is capable of remotely anything like that. Zoro being #1 is simply what he is made to be.
And Zoro has been a top tier the whole post time skip, long before Luffy reached it with G5. All of it is besides the point.

While Zoro on PH was capable of his Wano feats, Smoker on PH was around Vergo's and Law's level.
Zoro advances within top tier, boosting only his firepower, nothing else. How is Smoker to bridge all the gaps to top tier?
It is wishful thinking. Being a fan doesnt require you to be delusional. I am a big Crocodile fan as well, bigger than Smoker's.
Still hasnt crossed my mind that Crocodile is a top tier. As much as I would like it. Same for Smoker.

I can make an argument for Zoro being the #1 in the universe because there are foundations for it.
I dont have such foundations for Crocodile and Smoker to build a case for them to be top tiers.
Luffy and being on Kaido's level is a nice joke. Not even with all the plot armor is he anywhere close to Kaido.
Coby's improvement is 2nd to none and I cant see him being as powerful as an Admiral even if he gets the rank.

Once again, I would be happy if I am wrong and Smoker ends up top-tier comparable to Admirals.
Sadly for Smoker, my power scaling has been rather on point so far.
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Unbelievable
:snoopy:
 
FriedLiver

FriedLiver

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nik87 said:
Zoro has always been stronger than everyone. Dude is walking with a literal god mode since Enies Lobby.
Not a single character is capable of remotely anything like that. Zoro being #1 is simply what he is made to be.
And Zoro has been a top tier the whole post time skip, long before Luffy reached it with G5. All of it is besides the point.

While Zoro on PH was capable of his Wano feats, Smoker on PH was around Vergo's and Law's level.
Zoro advances within top tier, boosting only his firepower, nothing else. How is Smoker to bridge all the gaps to top tier?
It is wishful thinking. Being a fan doesnt require you to be delusional. I am a big Crocodile fan as well, bigger than Smoker's.
Still hasnt crossed my mind that Crocodile is a top tier. As much as I would like it. Same for Smoker.

I can make an argument for Zoro being the #1 in the universe because there are foundations for it.
I dont have such foundations for Crocodile and Smoker to build a case for them to be top tiers.
Luffy and being on Kaido's level is a nice joke. Not even with all the plot armor is he anywhere close to Kaido.
Coby's improvement is 2nd to none and I cant see him being as powerful as an Admiral even if he gets the rank.

Once again, I would be happy if I am wrong and Smoker ends up top-tier comparable to Admirals.
Sadly for Smoker, my power scaling has been rather on point so far.
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The cringe with you
:kidwat:

You just can’t stop yourself
 
Ssg super suit coby

Ssg super suit coby

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FriedLiver said:
You really can’t read for shit, can you? He was not commenting on how Fujitora “stood up to the WG”. He is commenting on the actions in Dressrosa

You really mean to say you wanted this to be a dumbass power level discussion with morons on this site as opposed to a deeper understanding and appreciation of Smoker as a character :sighting:
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Retardation since again in very same chapter tashigi stated that fuji in a way got back at the government for them. This consisted of him calling them out (world government) and telling the dressrossa citizens that the government was WRONG. Smoker in the entire history of this story has never implied or told pirates or civilians that they (the marines) can be wrong even though he knows it. So no. You should actually read
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Smoker does not have the power or fruit ability to be one.

Once he gets a powerup this arc he should be at yc1 at most.
 
kurwa

kurwa

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...what?

How is tashigi not being G5 captain = smoke being admiral?

Tashigi's rank did not improve, she a captain like she always was, only know she's no longer traveling with g5. So it would be the same with smoker. He's no longer g5 Vice Admiral, but just regular vice admiral
 
FriedLiver

FriedLiver

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Ssg super suit coby said:
Retardation since again in very same chapter tashigi stated that fuji in a way got back at the government for them. This consisted of him calling them out (world government) and telling the dressrossa citizens that the government was WRONG. Smoker in the entire history of this story has never implied or told pirates or civilians that they (the marines) can be wrong even though he knows it. So no. You should actually read
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Smoker does not have the power or fruit ability to be one.

Once he gets a powerup this arc he should be at yc1 at most.
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You are speaking in your own echo chamber at this point like the dumb motherfucker you are.

Smoker’s entire story at this point is defying the navy and taking issues with the way they do things. Smoker has had to saved from being fired at multiple times. Coby has one instance of “defiance”, which was just him standing there pleading like a bitchboy. While Coby has now turned into a goody goody little HQ marine, Smoker had to be isolated to the East Blue because of how truly unruly he was was: a cowboy cop that didn’t play by the rules and always was in his superior’s faces. The biggest indicator is he told the Gorosei they can eat shit.

Smoker IS NOT reacting to Fujitora telling the world the WG is wrong, you dumb piece of filth.

Fujitora had refused to intervene, to prove the point that victory was achieved by pirates and civilian military. This was the statement in of how the marines or WG “are wrong” is that they impose a problem (warlords) and they won’t always be around or have the means to step in and save the day. Hence, the reason they “play gods” with the fate of nations.

This is the parallel to Alabasta where the marines couldn’t have stopped Crocodile at that time. Fujitora emphasised the meaning of this problem by willfully declining to take descisive action. That was the gamble he admitted to on live Television.

This is the parallel that exists between Smoker and Fujitora. Your Coby has no parallels to anyone. Aside from the “Hero” thing, Coby has no existing parallels with Garp or any admiral. Smoker shares parallels with Garp and Fujitora.


kurwa said:
...what?

How is tashigi not being G5 captain = smoke being admiral?

Tashigi's rank did not improve, she a captain like she always was, only know she's no longer traveling with g5. So it would be the same with smoker. He's no longer g5 Vice Admiral, but just regular vice admiral
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You came here to comment but you didn’t read a single thing about the importance and significance of G-5.

Tashigi is a vice admiral now, so even when you think you know something you prove you don’t know nothing and you didn’t read anything at all.

Like the typical piece of shit on this site, you didn’t come here to listen and you added anything
 
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FriedLiver

FriedLiver

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Lor D. Coast said:
She is? :risicheck:
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Why do you think G-5 commands six warships?

One Buster Call worth 10 warships , and it’s called the strongest military action possible. Worthy of an entire nation’s military.

The level of military power of G-5 is unique onto itself. Only admirals and Gorosei and some unique people like Spandam can enact a Buster Call.

Regularly there is a three-rank separation between standard marine branches and Marine HQ, such that if you are HQ Lieutenant you would be a Captain of any given marine base.

Oda following the same logic would make a similar rank separation between HQ and G-5 following following the same kind of rule. Marine HQ and G-5 being the separate entities of different function, status and authority, such that a G-5 commander would be three ranks apart from a marine HQ commander.

This is why Smoker transferred to G-5 to begin with, for the level of status and authority it gave him compared to Marine HQ. Smoker is not just “ HQ vice admiral” like any other. He is worth more than that by dint of his status as base commander (and high one at that) within G-5

regular standard marine < HQ marine < HQ commander < HQ base leader =< G-5 commander < G-5 base leader

Tashigi wasn’t a G-5 commander but she still held the rank of captain inside of G-5 which means she should have a higher rank inside the HQ marine rank structure

So you would have captain Tashigi of G-5 being equal to a regular vice admiral (not a base commander like Momonga but regular one like Bastille) next time we see her. This is what makes sense given the precedent Oda has set before

Vice admiral <- rear admiral <- commodore <- captain

D: Hello, Oda-sensei!! I've always wondered, are all the Marine Captains [Taisa] and above at the Marine Headquarters different than the Captains at the Marine Bases? Are they just raised tougher, or what
By the guy from the mask store.
O: Yes. They're way different. The Marine Headquarters are like the super-elite of the Marines. These men who appeared at the assembly in Volume 11. These are the men in the Headquarters' "Junior Officers" ranks (Lieutenant [Taii], Junior Lt. [Chuui], Ensign [Shoui]) but if the former Base Captain [Taisa] "Axe-Arm Morgan" or "Captain [Taisa] Nezumi" from Nami's home were there, they would be among those men. The Headquarters and standard Base ranks are about three ranks apart, you could say. A higher Captain [Taisa] at a Base would be a lower Lieutenant [Taii] at Headquarters, and a Commander [Chuusa] would be a Junior Lieutenant [Chuui].
 
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Ssg super suit coby

Ssg super suit coby

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FriedLiver said:
You are speaking in your own echo chamber at this point like the dumb motherfucker you are.

Smoker’s entire story at this point is defying the navy and taking issues with the way they do things. Smoker has had to saved from being fired at multiple times. Coby has one instance of “defiance”, which was just him standing there pleading like a bitchboy. While Coby has now turned into a goody goody little HQ marine, Smoker had to be isolated to the East Blue because of how truly unruly he was was: a cowboy cop that didn’t play by the rules and always was in his superior’s faces. The biggest indicator is he told the Gorosei they can eat shit.

Smoker IS NOT reacting to Fujitora telling the world the WG is wrong, you dumb piece of filth.

Fujitora had refused to intervene, to prove the point that victory was achieved by pirates and civilian military. This was the statement in of how the marines or WG “are wrong” is that they impose a problem (warlords) and they won’t always be around or have the means to step in and save the day. Hence, the reason they “play gods” with the fate of nations.

This is the parallel to Alabasta where the marines couldn’t have stopped Crocodile at that time. Fujitora emphasised the meaning of this problem by willfully declining to take descisive action. That was the gamble he admitted to on live Television.

This is the parallel that exists between Smoker and Fujitora. Your Coby has no parallels to anyone. Aside from the “Hero” thing, Coby has no existing parallels with Garp or any admiral. Smoker shares parallels with Garp and Fujitora.



You came here to comment but you didn’t read a single thing about the importance and significance of G-5.

Tashigi is a vice admiral now, so even when you think you know something you prove you don’t know nothing and you didn’t read anything at all.

Like the typical piece of shit on this site, you didn’t come here to listen and you added anything
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Bullshit. He literally says in this chapter what fuilji did. He could not do it even with his position. Fuji didn't just defied the navy. He told the public the navy itself/the marines themselves are WRONG. It's not about power it is about resolving. Smoker admitted he does not have the resolve to do that. Coby not only defied the marines, he told an admiral one of its heads. The authority that protects the celestial dragons that he is doing shit. Infront of a yonko crew, marines, other pirates and revolutionary army members. Every single individual on that battle field stopped in awe at what he did. Smoker was never built to do something like that which he himself admitted when fuji did something similar.

You can bitch and complain as much as you want. Smoker made it clear from jump what kind of character he was. He complains about what the navy do in secret but don't have the balls to tell others that the navy itself at times are wrong. Therefore is defiance is only ever surface level. Something that both coby and fujitora have over smoker
 
FriedLiver

FriedLiver

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Ssg super suit coby said:
Bullshit. He literally says in this chapter what fuilji did. He could not do it even with his position. Fuji didn't just defied the navy. He told the public the navy itself/the marines themselves are WRONG. It's not about power it is about resolving. Smoker admitted he does not have the resolve to do that. Coby not only defied the marines, he told an admiral one of its heads. The authority that protects the celestial dragons that he is doing shit. Infront of a yonko crew, marines, other pirates and revolutionary army members. Every single individual on that battle field stopped in awe at what he did. Smoker was never built to do something like that which he himself admitted when fuji did something similar.

You can bitch and complain as much as you want. Smoker made it clear from jump what kind of character he was. He complains about what the navy do in secret but don't have the balls to tell others that the navy itself at times are wrong. Therefore is defiance is only ever surface level. Something that both coby and fujitora have over smoker
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You are free to misinterpret the story and don’t read however much you want, and just be in your own Coby-centred-bubble lol

Nothing can change a fool’s mind
 
Jailer

Jailer

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Egghead said:
If Zoro is about to reach top tier alongside Sanji, Kid, Law, and Sabo + Luffy who already made the jump… Then how is Smoker unbelievable?

The fact that Luffy in a mere like 3 months went from YC3 to Kaido acknowledging him as being on the same level as him should disperse all doubts… Matter of fact:

Pretending to be a real fan isn’t cool because a real fan would be onboard the hype train till it’s confirmed to end.

Smoker will be admiral level especially if Loby is rising through the ranks and known as hero now
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Oda has to make effort for Smoker. His one and only moment was Vergo.
 
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