Questions & Mysteries Why was Roger never called the WSS?
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It is not about the people in One Piece but about Oda’s choice. Oda choose to give WB the WSM’s title because he wants the reader to know that WB was stronger than Roger.
Why he would have been mentionned if he is not relevant to the story yet.
Remember that Imu was introduce 900+ chapters in the story.
Why he would have been mentionned if he is not relevant to the story yet.
Remember that Imu was introduce 900+ chapters in the story.
my thoughts are this.
Roger wasn't the world's strongest swordsman because he wasn't a pure swordsman. What I mean by this is that I think Roger most likely had some ability that has absolutely nothing to do with swordsmanship and that it was due to this ability that he was capable of rivaling whitebeard. Whitebeard had the gura gura no mi, an ability that could literally destroy the world, in of itself. Since from what we've seen, Roger and whitebeard seemed to be about equals in physical strength and haki, Roger had to have some sort of ability to rival the gura gura no mi.
Furthermore, we saw Roger use a gun in his clash with shiki, so I think its borderline confirmed that he wasn't a pure swordsman.
I also think that there most likely was a world's strongest swordsman who lived alongside Roger. The reason for this is that there had to have been someone who Mihawk defeated in order to gain his title.
Roger wasn't the world's strongest swordsman because he wasn't a pure swordsman. What I mean by this is that I think Roger most likely had some ability that has absolutely nothing to do with swordsmanship and that it was due to this ability that he was capable of rivaling whitebeard. Whitebeard had the gura gura no mi, an ability that could literally destroy the world, in of itself. Since from what we've seen, Roger and whitebeard seemed to be about equals in physical strength and haki, Roger had to have some sort of ability to rival the gura gura no mi.
Furthermore, we saw Roger use a gun in his clash with shiki, so I think its borderline confirmed that he wasn't a pure swordsman.
I also think that there most likely was a world's strongest swordsman who lived alongside Roger. The reason for this is that there had to have been someone who Mihawk defeated in order to gain his title.
The WSS might only have become a thing as the great era of piracy started and Mihawk actively started to challenge all the swordsmen until he came to the top.
But I too believe that Roger, rather than being a paragon of a swordsman, was just someone who embodied the pirate-theme. Like Shanks' crew. Just a pirate with a saber, occasionally a gun, just using it as a tool.
If Roger's main asset happens to be swordsmanship (cut everything philosophy, flying slashes) then he is very well a milestone for Zoro.
If Roger just uses the sword as a tool akin to Whitebeard using his Bisento and Kaido using his club, rather focusing on Haki blasts and barriers (WB vs. Roger clash) and has another main power which is even greater than his sword related abilities, like advanced CoC which serves as a counter to Whitebeard's main power (Gura Gura no Mi), then I don't think Zoro would consider him a milestone.
Just entertain the following thought: Take Whitebeard's Bisento (a supreme grade blade) and change it into a long sword (still a blade, just the hilt to blade ratio is different) and let him keep his fighting style; just swinging the sword as he swings the bisento to clash with Roger using a Haki barrier, also heavily relying on his main power (Gura Gura no Mi) which he uses to imbue both his fists and his blades with. Did he suddenly become a swordsman? I doubt Whitebeard would even be nerfed if you changed his bisento with a long sword of the same grade, since all what changed was the blade to hilt ratio.
But I too believe that Roger, rather than being a paragon of a swordsman, was just someone who embodied the pirate-theme. Like Shanks' crew. Just a pirate with a saber, occasionally a gun, just using it as a tool.
If Roger's main asset happens to be swordsmanship (cut everything philosophy, flying slashes) then he is very well a milestone for Zoro.
If Roger just uses the sword as a tool akin to Whitebeard using his Bisento and Kaido using his club, rather focusing on Haki blasts and barriers (WB vs. Roger clash) and has another main power which is even greater than his sword related abilities, like advanced CoC which serves as a counter to Whitebeard's main power (Gura Gura no Mi), then I don't think Zoro would consider him a milestone.
Just entertain the following thought: Take Whitebeard's Bisento (a supreme grade blade) and change it into a long sword (still a blade, just the hilt to blade ratio is different) and let him keep his fighting style; just swinging the sword as he swings the bisento to clash with Roger using a Haki barrier, also heavily relying on his main power (Gura Gura no Mi) which he uses to imbue both his fists and his blades with. Did he suddenly become a swordsman? I doubt Whitebeard would even be nerfed if you changed his bisento with a long sword of the same grade, since all what changed was the blade to hilt ratio.
Yes, The term "Pure Swordsman" is no more than an excuse invented to make Mihawk seem weaker than every competent swordsman there is; Pure swordsman is never a thing in OP from the very beginning.
Cabaji is a swordsman yet he uses multiple tricks/abilites in conjunction with his swordplay to fight.
He breaths fire
He kicks
He uses explosives and acrobatics to fight
Do you see Zoro complaining that he's not a real swordsman here?
This guy is a swordsman
This guy is a swordsman
Brook is a swordsman
Not one of them is a swordsman in the same sense as Zoro or Mihawk but there're all swordsmen according to the manga.
This is just another protective shield crafted by the team "Pure Swordsmen" to make the opposite team's arguments look worse than they actually are! True, There are anomalies who actually try project the idea there any man whoever wields a sword is a swordsman and by extension is weaker than Mihawk but they're not the majority. Most of the swordboys, Even some of the most ridiculous Mihawk fans, do not confider the likes of Kizaru and BM as swordsman.
With that being said, We have no evidence to suggest Roger was anything more than a swordsman. It's too soon to be saying things like "it was never mentioned he was a swordsman so must be something else." He might've been the WSS of his time but it pales in comparison to what he has achieved so it doesn't make much sense to highlight the fact that he was the WSS when he was the PK at the same time.
Cabaji is a swordsman yet he uses multiple tricks/abilites in conjunction with his swordplay to fight.
He breaths fire
He kicks
He uses explosives and acrobatics to fight
Do you see Zoro complaining that he's not a real swordsman here?
This guy is a swordsman
This guy is a swordsman
Brook is a swordsman
Not one of them is a swordsman in the same sense as Zoro or Mihawk but there're all swordsmen according to the manga.
This is just another protective shield crafted by the team "Pure Swordsmen" to make the opposite team's arguments look worse than they actually are! True, There are anomalies who actually try project the idea there any man whoever wields a sword is a swordsman and by extension is weaker than Mihawk but they're not the majority. Most of the swordboys, Even some of the most ridiculous Mihawk fans, do not confider the likes of Kizaru and BM as swordsman.
With that being said, We have no evidence to suggest Roger was anything more than a swordsman. It's too soon to be saying things like "it was never mentioned he was a swordsman so must be something else." He might've been the WSS of his time but it pales in comparison to what he has achieved so it doesn't make much sense to highlight the fact that he was the WSS when he was the PK at the same time.
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This WSS is bs hype . Rayleigh , roger and whitebeard were better than mihawk.
This whole debate of mihawk WSS is limited to his sword mastery there is no legit explanation how he became one. Was there a sword contest or did he defeat anyone who held this title ?
I ll say Oda just wanted legendary aura about mihawk , given we should remember the manga he was about to write had story setting of 5 years .
Noe he expanded it , he failed to mention how did mihawk reach WSS level and why is there only zoro chasing this title not vista or tashigi they dont seem to be interested about it anytime.
This whole debate of mihawk WSS is limited to his sword mastery there is no legit explanation how he became one. Was there a sword contest or did he defeat anyone who held this title ?
I ll say Oda just wanted legendary aura about mihawk , given we should remember the manga he was about to write had story setting of 5 years .
Noe he expanded it , he failed to mention how did mihawk reach WSS level and why is there only zoro chasing this title not vista or tashigi they dont seem to be interested about it anytime.
It's heavily implied that he did aspire to be the Pirate King.
The first time was when Shanks told Rayleigh that Luffy spoke the exact same thing that Roger did.
And the second time was during his conversation with Whitebeard and Oden.
It doesn't seem like the Pirate King title existed before Roger. Therefore it wouldn't make much sense if people started calling him that just because he reached Laugh Tale, as there was no precedent for it. The only way it makes sense is if Roger went around proclaiming he was going to find Laugh Tale and become Pirate King, and therefore once he did find Laugh Tale, people started to refer to him as such.
The first time was when Shanks told Rayleigh that Luffy spoke the exact same thing that Roger did.
And the second time was during his conversation with Whitebeard and Oden.
It doesn't seem like the Pirate King title existed before Roger. Therefore it wouldn't make much sense if people started calling him that just because he reached Laugh Tale, as there was no precedent for it. The only way it makes sense is if Roger went around proclaiming he was going to find Laugh Tale and become Pirate King, and therefore once he did find Laugh Tale, people started to refer to him as such.
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