Questions & Mysteries Why was Roger not WSS?

Gol D. Roger

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Zoro and Yamato beat the fuck out of Kidd or Law ... anyone has doubt about it?

CoC is the ultimate game in one piece and we still know NOTHING about it's full power ...
Even if they beat them, I doubt it'd be solely because they have CoC. All abilities matter in a fight and the result is determined by how well their abilities work against each other.
 

Seven7

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What kinda garbage is that?
Mihawk eats 100 Shanks for dinner

Stop the fucking Mihawk disrespect already by comparing him to one armed UNSKILLED hobo like shanks
Hey you mustn't have seen that => for mihawk, Roger and Shanks
In reality its Mihawk>Shanks and Mihawk=>Roger
:goyea:
 

Gol D. Roger

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I'm not saying that the story is entirely non-canon. Oda confirmed that he showed the same Ryuma in both, thats undeniable.

I'm saying that it should be treated like how Film Red is treated, with the events not being canon but the character Ryuma being canon.
I think that's what I was doing for the most part i.e., treating only the consistent parts as canon. There was nothing inconsistent about Ryuma being the WSS of his time. Everything we know so far in the manga supports that.
 
Well, swordsisters? Why was Roger not World's Strongest Swordsman?
  • He carried a sword
  • He fought with a sword
  • He used haki in fights
  • He loved his sword to name his son after it
and yet he was not WSS. Why is that?

Mihawk never once was used in the same sentence as Roger. He was never compared to Roger. Zoro never once thought about Roger as his goal or even in general.
Why is that?

Mihawk as WSS was seeing himself inferior to old Whitebeard who was WSM.
While Roger was being compared as prime Whitebeard's equal and superior. Why is that?
King has a sword too and he is not a swordman
 

Seven7

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I think that's what I was doing for the most part i.e., treating only the consistent parts as canon. There was nothing inconsistent about Ryuma being the WSS of his time. Everything we know so far in the manga supports that.
Yeah Ryuma was probably the strongest swordsman ever
Mihawk might be stronger
I have them equal
But Eos Zoro>Mihawk,Ryuma and Roger
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Kaido has no world's strongest title. Just rumours.
Because Marco said I knew this would happen when wb started having heart attacks
Not like he knew squardo was going to stab wb was it.
So wb was always going to do that.
So Title boxes don't matter or can be incorrect? Yes or no? Squardo's stab could've sped up the process. Let's see Mihawk get stabbed through the chest and show zero effects from it. Again, why did Oda put "The World's Strongest Pirate Has Arrived at MF" on the volume cover? I'm guessing he's wrong as well.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
So Title boxes don't matter or can be incorrect? Yes or no? Squardo's stab could've sped up the process. Let's see Mihawk get stabbed through the chest and show zero effects from it. Again, why did Oda put "The World's Strongest Pirate Has Arrived at MF" on the volume cover? I'm guessing he's wrong as well.
Why are you still arguing ? You've been bodied

Marco said he knew this would happen.
Proving squardos stab is irrelevant to wb being off his meds crashing.

It's all irrelevant the man himself admitted he wasn't what he used to be.
 
There is no hypocrisy.
And why have you changed it to the wb off his meds lmfao
If mihawk admitted he declined
Had heart attacks
Couldn't use haki properly then his title would be in question too.
Absolutely correct.

I actually do think in oda's mind he wanted to portray wb as the strongest in mf
given the importance he gave to akainu ( the man who fought him) shortly after the war (became the fleet admiral
feats aside , just from a portrayal stand point thats what oda was going for.
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His illness made him fall short in critical moments
Correct as well.

WB was the strongest but had been in decline for the past 5-10 years. As an inactive yonko nobody but his crew, Shanks who measured it before the war and Blackbeard who had seen the decline before grasping his moment knew how far he had declined.

Most of all the old timers like Marco, Vista and especially WB himself knew. That's part of the reason WB went the extra mile for Ace. He knew his time was up and that it would mean his sons would be crushed. Be it by the marines, another yonko or whatever. Ace was WBs retirement plan.

Like an old heavyweight champion WB still had all of his fighting intelligence, experience and most of his power left. More than enough for anybody outside the top 5-10 contenders.

But his chin was deteriorating, his agility and foot speed gone, his stamina on a steep decline. Nobody, not even Pops, has ever defeated father time.

Same thing happened to Klitschko, Lennox Lewis or Muhammad Ali. It's ok.
 
Why are you still arguing ? You've been bodied

Marco said he knew this would happen.
Proving squardos stab is irrelevant to wb being off his meds crashing.

It's all irrelevant the man himself admitted he wasn't what he used to be.
Wasn't what he used to be=/= Still not at the top of the pack

Also, you're the last guy to talk about being bodied after running with your tail tucked between your legs for months cause of how badly you embarrassed yourself.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Wasn't what he used to be=/= Still not at the top of the pack

Also, you're the last guy to talk about being bodied after running with your tail tucked between your legs for months cause of how badly you embarrassed yourself.
It means exactly that.
He was far from the top of the pack when he is struggling to use haki
Can't even sense sqaurdo attacking him
That's basic coo.

Cry
 
It means exactly that.
He was far from the top of the pack when he is struggling to use haki
Can't even sense sqaurdo attacking him
That's basic coo.

Cry
Yet still went on to perform monstrous feats against the strongest Admiral. Well Mihawk had his hands full with Vista :milaugh:

Imagine acting tough when you have the mental toughness of a noodle and hid for months out of embarrassment lmao
 
Well, swordsisters? Why was Roger not World's Strongest Swordsman?
  • He carried a sword
  • He fought with a sword
  • He used haki in fights
  • He loved his sword to name his son after it
and yet he was not WSS. Why is that?

Mihawk never once was used in the same sentence as Roger. He was never compared to Roger. Zoro never once thought about Roger as his goal or even in general.
Why is that?

Mihawk as WSS was seeing himself inferior to old Whitebeard who was WSM.
While Roger was being compared as prime Whitebeard's equal and superior. Why is that?
Because Mihawk > Roger, duh. :pepehawk:
 
while you are consistent
luffy beat kaido due to df power
BB will prob surpass shanks soon due to having stronger dfs

and oda has certainly portrayed kidd and law better than those two

I think you are placing little importance on other abilities in the story.
and Kaido ... the KING of fighters said Haki matters more than DF and the one with better Haki will always wins

Luffy without CoC wasn't able to effectively damage Kaido
BB is more than 1 DF
Law and Kidd ... had plot armor. no fair one piece fan should think they are above Zoro + Yamato
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Even if they beat them, I doubt it'd be solely because they have CoC. All abilities matter in a fight and the result is determined by how well their abilities work against each other.
and Shanks is amazing at CoA + CoO + swordsmanship and more
but ... at the end of the day the most hax power in one piece is still CoC
and I mind you ... CoC is not fully explained now ...

betting on best CoC is safest option
 

Gol D. Roger

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and Shanks is amazing at CoA + CoO + swordsmanship and more
but ... at the end of the day the most hax power in one piece is still CoC
and I mind you ... CoC is not fully explained now ...

betting on best CoC is safest option
I mean I know CoC could be the most broken thing in OP but that doesn't mean every guy with CoC achieved that level of perfection. From what we know, even the likes Kaido and Big Mom haven't mastered CoC to its full capacity so there are levels to it.

We can't really give Zoro and Yamato the benefit of the doubt against Law and Kid solely because they have CoC coating. Law's chances of murdering Yamato or Zoro with his abilities are far higher than their chances of murdering Law with CoC. I mean, they can outclass Law in a fight because they've got the other skills, not because CoC just magically cancels out everything that Law has to offer.

Yeah, I am one of the only people who say we'll get a new advanced form of CoC via Shanks. That's why I never refer to CoC coating as advanced CoC.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
I mean I know CoC could be the most broken thing in OP but that doesn't mean every guy with CoC achieved that level of perfection. From what we know, even the likes Kaido and Big Mom haven't mastered CoC to its full capacity so there are levels to it.

We can't really give Zoro and Yamato the benefit of the doubt against Law and Kid solely because they have CoC coating. Law's chances of murdering Yamato or Zoro with his abilities are far higher than their chances of murdering Law with CoC. I mean, they can outclass Law in a fight because they've got the other skills, not because CoC just magically cancels out everything that Law has to offer.

Yeah, I am one of the only people who say we'll get a new advanced form of CoC via Shanks. That's why I never refer to CoC coating as advanced CoC.
Law is a bum 1 vs 1
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Yet still went on to perform monstrous feats against the strongest Admiral. Well Mihawk had his hands full with Vista :milaugh:

Imagine acting tough when you have the mental toughness of a noodle and hid for months out of embarrassment lmao
His monstrous feat was a sneak attack after akainu had left him to die that he did with the strongest fruit
Bb after having it for seconds was tilting marineford
Keep crying cause your points are meaningless.
 
Law is a bum 1 vs 1
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His monstrous feat was a sneak attack after akainu had left him to die that he did with the strongest fruit
Bb after having it for seconds was tilting marineford
Keep crying cause your points are meaningless.

This is the only point I need from Oda himself. I know it's hard for a two piece reader such as yourself if you just read what Oda gave you maybe you wouldn't have put everything on ZKK.

 
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