Speculations Why wasn’t Doflamingo invited to the Holy Knights?

#61
There's a dissonance there for me and it's Oda's fault.

On one hand, logically, I could agree with what you've said, although that would explain the non-interference of the marines, not of the Holy Knights or CP0. I can see Doflamingo folding the weaker agents, but there were some actually strong ones in there even without Lucci and Kaku, and they can act all together as an assassination unit like they're supposed to be.

On the other hand, we have that Garp and even random marine fodders know about stuff like the tenryubito rabbit hunts and they do nothing about it. They just keep enforcing the WG rule. Based on their story merits they appear like a safe bet to capture Doflamingo and stay loyal about it.

I do think there's something big missing from Doflamingo's backstory. What does he know that people that can stroll down Mariejoa like admirals and common human royalty don't know about, and how? He was a kid, and common tenryubito know nothing of Imu or of the things Vegapunk exposed.
Yeah I see what you mean, I imagine it cant just be a simple atrocity or something like that. I think the the national treasure of Marie Geoise has to be something that is tied to how the WG can maintain power
 
#63
Lol,that comparison doesnt even make sense. Doffy is the Crocodile of the new world obviously. Arlong was like the last pirate they fought in the east blue
 
#65
At this point in the story if she's seriously below him then there's no point in her even being a character in the first place.
I mean the dude has extremely basic Haki feats, mid physicals, and even his fruit isn't that great in a fight.
If Gunk somehow manages to be decisively below him despite being a HK then that's just plain sad
HK are the Tobi Roppo of the government: aside from Shamrock, they serve the purpose of being the enemies of the low and mid mugi, the revs and maybe the SH grand fleet while the monster trio + Sabo + Dragon + who knows go against the Gorosei, Imu and Shamrock.
The stronger HK might be EoS Jinbe's fight; the stronger (Shamrock excluded).

In Gunko's case, Oda being Oda means woman vs woman and so Gunko is going to be Nami, Robin, Belo Betty or Koala's fight. That is the type of challenge we are talking about.

*Btw, you saw how high Oda had the Schici. Aside from Doflamingo being already impressive as is (and imho far stronger than someone like EoS Nami or Robin or Koala could ever be), if he returns be ready to have a Crocodile-like situation with Doflamingo having a 2B bounty.
 
#66
And prior to the retcon, Lucci was above Crocodile in both portrayal and feats.
So my point still stands regardless.
Yeah, Doffy was not the strongest arc villain post timeskip lol. I don't dispute that. The equivalent of Lucci post timeskip is probably Katakuri, and yes, he's above Doflamingo
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But even in your analogy, wouldn't pretime skip croco be above most of cp9 lol?
 
#69
HK are the Tobi Roppo of the government: aside from Shamrock, they serve the purpose of being the enemies of the low and mid mugi, the revs and maybe the SH grand fleet while the monster trio + Sabo + Dragon + who knows go against the Gorosei, Imu and Shamrock.
The stronger HK might be EoS Jinbe's fight; the stronger (Shamrock excluded).

In Gunko's case, Oda being Oda means woman vs woman and so Gunko is going to be Nami, Robin, Belo Betty or Koala's fight. That is the type of challenge we are talking about.

*Btw, you saw how high Oda had the Schici. Aside from Doflamingo being already impressive as is (and imho far stronger than someone like EoS Nami or Robin or Koala could ever be), if he returns be ready to have a Crocodile-like situation with Doflamingo having a 2B bounty.
I have a question. What feats from Doffy are impressive?
 
#73
I have a question. What feats from Doffy are impressive?
Well, all DR's are.

The dude was fighting with his insides badly attached together, still took basically all the blunt from Boundman while destroying a very large country with the birdcage and controlling basically all the population with the parasite.
People at the time legit thought Doflamingo was above or at least on the same level as YC1 for that. Then sure, we had Katakuri after, but we know that Oda's plan was to have Doffy as a "powerful Kaido's ally" and then we saw how he hyped che Shichibukai.

Tbh, he was underwhelming in attack power, but if he returns it'll be like Crocodile again. I would be willing to bet in a 2B bounty or similar.
 
#74
Well, all DR's are.

The dude was fighting with his insides badly attached together, still took basically all the blunt from Boundman while destroying a very large country with the birdcage and controlling basically all the population with the parasite.
People at the time legit thought Doflamingo was above or at least on the same level as YC1 for that. Then sure, we had Katakuri after, but we know that Oda's plan was to have Doffy as a "powerful Kaido's ally" and then we saw how he hyped che Shichibukai.

Tbh, he was underwhelming in attack power, but if he returns it'll be like Crocodile again. I would be willing to bet in a 2B bounty or similar.
And that's an impressive feat in terms of his skill with his fruit and what not, but if we're talking pure stats it's not all that.
Katakuri and Luffy had part of their sides blown off by a trident and didn't get any medical treatment whatsoever. They were still capable of fighting eachother with their strongest moves and even ended the fight in a double KO though.
I'd argue that's even more impressive since they couldn't stitch themselves back together and were actively bleeding during the final segment of their fight, plus they were both hurt and tired (Luffy especially was) once that happened.
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It's like you said. Just a plot thing. Not worth mentioning whatsoever.
 
#75
Never forget when this fandom gaslighted itself into thinking Doffy loses to the Tobi roppo
Featbros deluded themselves into thinking Ulti > Katakuri lol(though ironically Katakuri has far better feats than Ulti). Everyone just assumed even fodder from Wano is stronger than everyone who came before Wano. While I do agree, the average level of strength of characters did increase (ESPECIALLY for the main guys like Luffy, Zoro, sanji), pretending even fodder from the arc are stronger than the top dogs of previous arcs was just delusion.

It's good to see that every Wano character wanker is getting embarrassed right now, because their goats are the victims of the same thing they used to push back then: the supposed powercreep. The only one safe rn is King because of his durability gimmick and even that won't last once we're introduced to better AP feats from characters
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Btw, Kat is stronger than every beast pirate not named King and Kaido. This includes Queen
 
#76
And that's an impressive feat in terms of his skill with his fruit and what not, but if we're talking pure stats it's not all that.
Katakuri and Luffy had part of their sides blown off by a trident and didn't get any medical treatment whatsoever. They were still capable of fighting eachother with their strongest moves and even ended the fight in a double KO though.
I'd argue that's even more impressive since they couldn't stitch themselves back together and were actively bleeding during the final segment of their fight, plus they were both hurt and tired (Luffy especially was) once that happened.
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It's like you said. Just a plot thing. Not worth mentioning whatsoever.
I dont think we can ignore it either way,covering all of DR and destroying so much.
 
#78
Featbros deluded themselves into thinking Ulti > Katakuri lol(though ironically Katakuri has far better feats than Ulti). Everyone just assumed even fodder from Wano is stronger than everyone who came before Wano. While I do agree, the average level of strength of characters did increase (ESPECIALLY for the main guys like Luffy, Zoro, sanji), pretending even fodder from the arc are stronger than the top dogs of previous arcs was just delusion.

It's good to see that every Wano character wanker is getting embarrassed right now, because their goats are the victims of the same thing they used to push back then: the supposed powercreep. The only one safe rn is King because of his durability gimmick and even that won't last once we're introduced to better AP feats from characters
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Btw, Kat is stronger than every beast pirate not named King and Kaido. This includes Queen
It feels almost a bit unfair comparing Katakuri with king and queen, who got very short fights in comparison without much focus. But that's a different question. Some people just think that zoro and sanji were stronger after the time skip then luffy, but it doesn't really work for me
 
#79
Featbros deluded themselves into thinking Ulti > Katakuri lol(though ironically Katakuri has far better feats than Ulti). Everyone just assumed even fodder from Wano is stronger than everyone who came before Wano. While I do agree, the average level of strength of characters did increase (ESPECIALLY for the main guys like Luffy, Zoro, sanji), pretending even fodder from the arc are stronger than the top dogs of previous arcs was just delusion.

It's good to see that every Wano character wanker is getting embarrassed right now, because their goats are the victims of the same thing they used to push back then: the supposed powercreep. The only one safe rn is King because of his durability gimmick and even that won't last once we're introduced to better AP feats from characters
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Btw, Kat is stronger than every beast pirate not named King and Kaido. This includes Queen
Nah kats closer to Jack than Queen. Oda doesn’t do feat scaling in this manga we have showings all over the place if you go purely off feats. That’s why Oda uses direct statements to tell you who’s stronger like he did for King and Queen when he said they were stronger than Katakuri. (Oda regularly said Katas strength was worth his billion Berry bounty in WCI then in Wano Marco directly said that King and Queens strength was worth more than a billion.)
 
#80
Nah kats closer to Jack than Queen. Oda doesn’t do feat scaling in this manga we have showings all over the place if you go purely off feats. That’s why Oda uses direct statements to tell you who’s stronger like he did for King and Queen when he said they were stronger than Katakuri. (Oda regularly said Katas strength was worth his billion Berry bounty in WCI then in Wano Marco directly said that King and Queens strength was worth more than a billion.)
If jack the jobber wasn't trying to gas minority groups, his bounty would be significantly lower
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Anyway,the beast pirates have more going on with them. King is a lunarian, Queen is ex Mads, and they're all known for causing a lot of destruction, Katakuri isn't really known in that way
 
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