Speculations Why wasn’t Doflamingo invited to the Holy Knights?

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Paralyzing Jozu
Neg diffing law and Sanji
Fighting an entire country
Slicing a meteor to pieces
Bro was the new world enel for a reason

The Jozu thing was kind of an outlier so I'm not gonna talk on it
He didn't neg diff Law, he always had an unfair advantage against Law each time they fought. And even then it was a mid diff usually.
And he only neg diffed Sanji due to his hax that Sanji had no clue about.
Not sure when he fought a whole country
And slicing a meteor isn't that impressive imo.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yeah, if the WG believed that Marco was bodying king and queen, they have inflated bounties. Literally 1v2

Bodying =/= weakening. Kaido literally bodied everyone but they still weakened him.

 

[Dragon777]

And that's an impressive feat in terms of his skill with his fruit and what not, but if we're talking pure stats it's not all that.
Katakuri and Luffy had part of their sides blown off by a trident and didn't get any medical treatment whatsoever. They were still capable of fighting eachother with their strongest moves and even ended the fight in a double KO though.
I'd argue that's even more impressive since they couldn't stitch themselves back together and were actively bleeding during the final segment of their fight, plus they were both hurt and tired (Luffy especially was) once that happened.

Imho, having all your organs badly attached > that type of wound.
Sure, even Katakuri's and Luffy's was bad, but Gamma Knife was described to be basically deadly, while that stab was not.

To be clear, I am not aguing Dofla is over Kata, even though I think taht could happen if Dofla shows up again. I mean, some poeple are putting Crocodile over Kata.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Imho, having all your organs badly attached > that type of wound.
Sure, even Katakuri's and Luffy's was bad, but Gamma Knife was described to be basically deadly, while that stab was not.

To be clear, I am not aguing Dofla is over Kata, even though I think taht could happen if Dofla shows up again. I mean, some poeple are putting Crocodile over Kata.

It's deadly if you don't stitch your organs back together, yes.
I stand by what I said, and in fact, I'll throw in Zoro enduring the pain bubble and Ulti enduring part of her torso being vaporized by Big Mom too.

 

[Dragon777]

It's deadly if you don't stitch your organs back together, yes.
I stand by what I said, and in fact, I'll throw in Zoro enduring the pain bubble and Ulti enduring part of her torso being vaporized by Big Mom too.

Yeah, but without aid Dofla would be simply dead. To explain, we have:

- Oragans simply dead (GK's usual working);
- Organs badly attached (Dofla's situation);
- wound to your side.

Ulti was basically KO after that, so it's more like Oda's usual fumble with people going KO and then recovering.

Zoro's too was extremely good, true.

 

[MUUGEN]

We know that the WG is willing to raise anyone sufficiently strong enough to “godhood” in order to let them join the HKs. This is what would’ve happened if Loki accepted, and it’s possible that Gunko was in Loki’s position before (since she’s never been introduced as Saint or given a surname), but accepted the invite unlike Loki.

So how come Doflamingo, an ex-CD who even went as far as to deliver his father’s head to them as a show of solidarity, was never invited to the Holy Knights? Was he not strong enough?

cause he fodder always was and always will be

 

[MUUGEN]

He joined as a warlord, so effectively it was the same thing. The order to kill Moriah was given by Gorosei.

But on paper, you have to be a Celestial Dragon. His family was kicked out.



You people are so fucking dumb lmfao. The Warlords were literally called to do battle with WBPs, a Yonko's crew.

The HKs will essentially do the exact same thing here. The Admirals were essentially supposed to be goalkeepers for Ace, but they strayed from their orders like Akainu mentioned.

Gunko isn't a CD...

& that's literally a self proclaimed statement and title by joker and joker alone.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The Jozu thing was kind of an outlier so I'm not gonna talk on it
He didn't neg diff Law, he always had an unfair advantage against Law each time they fought. And even then it was a mid diff usually.
And he only neg diffed Sanji due to his hax that Sanji had no clue about.
Not sure when he fought a whole country
And slicing a meteor isn't that impressive imo.

The Jozu thing is pretty aligned with how Doffy was always portrayed
He did neg diff him. Law couldn’t do shit to him and Doffy didn’t even need his awakening.
Hax is combat force
He fought all of Dressrosa island
And that meteor seemed as big as the pica golem so slicing it casually is pretty impressive.

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Yeah, if the WG believed that Marco was bodying king and queen, they have inflated bounties. Literally 1v2

The WG thinking Marco can fight king and queen alongside the fodder and weaken them enough for Katakuri level fighters to defeat them, their bounty is quite accurate lmao

Oda writing katas strength is accurate for 1 Billion and Oda writing that Kings and Queens strength is accurate for more than 1 Billion is accurate.

Katakuri is the new world Mr. 3 that’s all.

 

[MUUGEN]

And prior to the retcon, Lucci was above Crocodile in both portrayal and feats.
So my point still stands regardless.

Lol no he wasn't Crocodile was literally the OG endgame antagonist for odas original 5 year plan.

Crocodile literally ultra neg diffed luffy 2x even with a hard counter then was saved by one single droplet of water then blood was basically coA for luffy.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

And prior to the retcon, Lucci was above Crocodile in both portrayal and feats.
So my point still stands regardless.

Prior to the retcon, the WG thought Moriah could defeat the man who beat Lucci stop the cap.

 

[MUUGEN]

Nah kats closer to Jack than Queen. Oda doesn’t do feat scaling in this manga we have showings all over the place if you go purely off feats. That’s why Oda uses direct statements to tell you who’s stronger like he did for King and Queen when he said they were stronger than Katakuri. (Oda regularly said Katas strength was worth his billion Berry bounty in WCI then in Wano Marco directly said that King and Queens strength was worth more than a billion.)

 

[Dragon777]

Lol no he wasn't Crocodile was literally the OG endgame antagonist for odas original 5 year plan.

Crocodile literally ultra neg diffed luffy 2x even with a hard counter then was saved by one single droplet of water then blood was basically coA for luffy.

At the time everyone had Lucci above Croco, Logia tax aside, and rightfully so.

Lucci fought a much stronger version, not even close to Alabasta's Luffy. Luffy might have have struggled a lot, but it's like saying Doflamingo > Wano Luffy because in DR Dofla had burned organs and so on.

 

[soupongo]

The Jozu thing is pretty aligned with how Doffy was always portrayed
He did neg diff him. Law couldn’t do shit to him and Doffy didn’t even need his awakening.
Hax is combat force
He fought all of Dressrosa island
And that meteor seemed as big as the pica golem so slicing it casually is pretty impressive.

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The WG thinking Marco can fight king and queen alongside the fodder and weaken them enough for Katakuri level fighters to defeat them, their bounty is quite accurate lmao

Oda writing katas strength is accurate for 1 Billion and Oda writing that Kings and Queens strength is accurate for more than 1 Billion is accurate.

Katakuri is the new world Mr. 3 that’s all.

Lmao cope. The cipher pol agents never say anything like that, and if they can't overwhelm Marco in a 2v1, they're clearly not worth more then 1 billion based on strength, given that Marco is only 1.3 billion

 

[Dragon777]

Prior to the retcon, the WG thought Moriah could defeat the man who beat Lucci stop the cap.

The didn't, in fact; they sent Kuma.

And anyway, back in the day, Moria was supposedly stronger than Crocodile.

 

[soupongo]

Gunko isn't a CD...

& that's literally a self proclaimed statement and title by joker and joker alone.

We don't know anything about Gunko

 

[MUUGEN]

they don’t know if King and Queen were still at full power after they fought Marco the Phoenix.

 

[soupongo]

Pre ts lucci vs crocodile would go like rock Lee vs Gaara

 

[Sir Yasheen]

The didn't, in fact; they sent Kuma.

And anyway, back in the day, Moria was supposedly stronger than Crocodile.

They did. Kuma wasn’t sent to help Moriah lmao

 

[MUUGEN]

He did neg diff him. Law couldn’t do shit to him and Doffy didn’t even need his awakening

Lol he had help from issho at the start and law was mid diffed afterwards woke also protecting sunny, nami, chopper and brook as well as simply trying to negotiate for cesar....

He fought all of Dressrosa island

Lol who when where?

And that meteor seemed as big as the pica golem so slicing it casually is pretty impressive

a minor hax ability that was evidently weak to anyone with decent CoA and couldn't even bypass introlevel boundman....

The WG thinking Marco can fight king and queen alongside the fodder and weaken them enough for Katakuri level fighters to defeat them, their bounty is quite accurate lmao

Oda writing katas strength is accurate for 1 Billion and Oda writing that Kings and Queens strength is accurate for more than 1 Billion is accurate.

Katakuri is the new world Mr. 3 that’s all

what exactly did queen do rust every showcased queen>kata?

outside of lunarian hax what exactly did king do that was so far beyond leagues of kat?

 

[Dragon777]

They did. Kuma wasn’t sent to help Moriah lmao

?

"orders are orders". "I am tasked with...".


Anyway, Moria > Croco back then.