Questions & Mysteries Why Zoro and Sanji can still get CoC (Specialist vs. User)

#1
Oda has confirmed over and over again, that there is a genetic component to Haki. Some people are more genetically inclined towards certain types of Haki. Like Rayleigh said, even "within the realm of CoO" Luffy is predisposed to sense emotions. I think this is why Luffy is a CoC specialist, Zoro a CoA specialist, and Sanji CoO specialist. It's all according to their personalities:

CoC - Kings/Leaders (Usually pirate captains or leaders)
CoA - Human weapons (Little emotion from them. Pure fighters like Zoro/Mihawk. Mihawk doesn't even have a crew)
CoO - Empathetic (Caretakers like Sanji/Katakuri. SHs often become "Twirly Hat" crew. Katakuri was the primary caretaker of BMPs)

But, we've seen with Katakuri and Don Chinjao, that they might very well be specialists in another set of Haki, even though they possess CoC. Chinjao was renown for his "drill" and that was primarily a function of his CoA. It is even mentioned in the magazines Garp surpassing Chinjao was because he trained his Haki to a high enough level. While Katakuri's most notable Haki is his observation, which again leads to the fact that he is a CoO specialist.

I think whichever Haki you unlock FIRST is the one you specialize in. Like Nen in HxH, that's just the easiest. However, you can still get stronger in other categories.

CoC specialists: Luffy, Ace, Doflamingo, (WB/BB are also obvious ones but we need to see more) -> Kings/Leaders

CoO specialists: Coby, Sanji, Otohime, Katakuri, Fujitora, Usopp -> Empathetic/emotional characters

CoA specialists: Zoro, Mihawk, Vergo -> Human weapons with little emotion

Zoro/Sanji are not specialists in CoC, but that doesn't mean they can't eventually unlock CoC. Remember 2 years ago they had no Haki at all, and they're still young. Sanji at the very least is a prince and of royal bloodline, so he has potential for CoC.

Sanji's case at the very least is very like Katakuri's. When Luffy (or Zoro) is/are away, he seems to be the primary caretaker of the Straw Hats just like Katakuri. They are CoO specialists of royal bloodline.
 

Seth

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#2
Zoro told Baroque Works that he would join if he can be the leader and he is Luffy's Rayleigh basically - Instant CoC wank
Sanji is Prince of Germa and all of that leading in Punk Hazard and now in Wano = Instant CoC wank

If Zoro and Sanji won't have CoC I will be fucking disappointed tbh.
 
#4
Naratively I don't see it personally, advanced CoC will be fleshed out in the next arc probably so not really much time for Luffy to learn it and then apply it in the final war after, I don't see Zoro/Sanji getting it as they would NOT be getting the advanced version at the same time as Luffy (if at all) and so it would be limited to fodder control.
Rayleigh only needed it to teach Luffy, the rest of the time it has been used as a hypetool for Luffy's enemies. I don't believe Mihawk has it, and I believe that is a main reason why Yonko shanks is stronger than Mihawk overall, despite not having "permenant black blade" level swordsmanship applied haki as only Mihawk and Ryuma have had so far, so if Zoro got advanced CoC, it would be weird and verge on unfair to Mihawk.
Of course these are all my opinions, not canon.
 

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#7
Tbh, i can sense if zoro having a Conqueror Haki Eos. Because i'm keep thinking if his left eye isn't gone, but its like kenpachi's things or he even had a conqueror haki.

For sanji, i dont think he had a Conqueror Haki (for now), but if he had Conqueror Haki in Eos, that would be amazing.

And then in this arc, (for me) we might see a haki bloom from other strawhats member other than Luffy and Monster Trio.
 
#11
Roger's pirates had Roger, Rayleigh and Shanks who able to use Conqueror Haki. (Idk about Scopper Gaban)

Because Luffy will be PK in the end of the story, its sounds lame to me if only Luffy will had Conqueror haki in SH Pirates in the end.
Roger - Old Gen Luffy
Rayleigh - Luffy's Master
Shanks - Luffy's role model

CoC is a Luffy wank tool that is only owned by Luffy's trainers, rivals, antagonists, and people who are just hype for Luffy in general ( people Luffy will surpass).

Zoro and Sanji are just Luffy's crewmates.
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CoC is just to make Luffy look special. Thats why non - main characters that are linked to Luffy have it. Zoro and Sanji are both main characters, albeit not as main as Luffy.....but still up there. If they were to have it...Luffy wouldnt look like the special jesus MC anymore.
 

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#12
Roger - Old Gen Luffy
Rayleigh - Luffy's Master
Shanks - Luffy's role model

CoC is a Luffy wank tool that is only owned by Luffy's trainers, rivals, antagonists, and people who are just hype for Luffy in general ( people Luffy will surpass).

Zoro and Sanji are just Luffy's crewmates.
My point is, we never know how and when Rayleigh and Shanks unlocks their Conqueror Haki.

On top of that, shanks is just an apprentice back when Roger still active as a pirate. This is why i assume Scopper Gaban might have conqueror haki too.
 
#14
My point is, we never know how and when Rayleigh and Shanks unlocks their Conqueror Haki.

On top of that, shanks is just an apprentice back when Roger still active as a pirate. This is why i assume Scopper Gaban might have conqueror haki too.
Dude your not looking at the bigger picture. Plot wise....sure it makes sense that Zoro and Sanji get CoC. However due to Oda's innate obssession with Luffy, only things linked to Luffy will get CoC. Its to make him look like the special MC compared to the rest of the SHs. Oda had many chances to make people close to Zoro and Sanji develop CoC. Mihawk is Zoro's master....Oda couldve given him CoC. But he didnt. Ivankov is the Queen of Kamabaka, yet he didnt get it.

CoC users are specially picked if theyre good wank tools for Luffy. Zoro and Sanji having CoC would make Luffy less special.

Theres a reason CoC literally has no use unlike the othet hakis. Its just a good hypetool for cool looking things.
 

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#15
Dude your not looking at the bigger picture. Plot wise....sure it makes sense that Zoro and Sanji get CoC. However due to Oda's innate obssession with Luffy, only things linked to Luffy will get CoC. Its to make him look like the special MC compared to the rest of the SHs. Oda had many chances to make people close to Zoro and Sanji develop CoC. Mihawk is Zoro's master....Oda couldve given him CoC. But he didnt. Ivankov is the Queen of Kamabaka, yet he didnt get it.

CoC users are specially picked if theyre good wank tools for Luffy. Zoro and Sanji having CoC would make Luffy less special.

Theres a reason CoC literally has no use unlike the othet hakis. Its just a good hypetool for cool looking things.
Aight, i got ur point. :smithnie:
 
#16
Haters: "Why would Sanji have CoC? He doesn't have ambition and will while Zoro will unlock it":laughmoji::laughmoji:

The chance of Sanji having CoC is higher than Zoro at this point because of his royal blood and leadership LOL:luuh:But I doubt both of them will unlock CoC in Wano right now to be honest:cheers:
 

HA001

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#17
Haters: "Why would Sanji have CoC? He doesn't have ambition and will while Zoro will unlock it":laughmoji::laughmoji:

The chance of Sanji having CoC is higher than Zoro at this point because of his royal blood and leadership LOL:luuh:But I doubt both of them will unlock CoC in Wano right now to be honest:cheers:
And judge and none of the vinsmokes have coc because ? What happened to royal blood there ?
 
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