Questions & Mysteries Why Zoro and Sanji can still get CoC (Specialist vs. User)

[Garp the Fist]

Sanji does not have potential for based on his bloodline. You’re obfuscating royalty with people who take it. There is one(?) confirmed user of CoC that is descended from legitimate royalty, and that would be Doflamingo, who is actually a Celestial Dragon.

And Oden.

But yeah, the majority of the Pirate "royalty" aren't actual royalty. The real royal bloodlines in One Piece are the Reverie attendants and Celestial Dragons.

Basically, the vast majority of CoC users we've seen are Napoleon- real world Napoleon, not One Piece sword Napoleon. Oden and Doflamingo are the only ones from a royal bloodline, they'd be the Bourbon's.

At the most you can argue the D's are obviously some special bloodline that trace their ancestors back to the Amcient Kingdom, but there's no guarantee that lineage is royalty- would there be at least seven royal families from one kingdom? And even then, there's still plenty of CoC users who have nothing to do with royalty or the Will of D.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

How do you define "strong ambition" ?

Like they have very hard goals that some would consider impossible yet they still strive towards achieving that goal.

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i think we can can count the d clan as royalty

Nah they havent been confirmed as royals. For all we know they may have been a clan opposing the royal families.

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Brah, Hancock is literally a queen. And the Yonkou are all kings. The "O" means King.

Just like Roger was "Pirate King" KaizokuO
and Rayleigh was "Dark King" MeiO

That's where the HaOshoku Haki comes from

But none of them were born royals like sanji. They became royals through strength meaning they dont come from royal bloodline.

- Big Mom was not a royal she became strong and stole territory, Same applies for the other Yonko

- Boa Hancock wasn't a born royal either. Same with Roger and Rayleigh.



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[Lunaria]

I don’t believe there are too many CoC users. This is the New World, the place where there’s a high concentration of CoC users because most of them go there. On a global scale, it’s still a rare ability and very few people possess it. When you watch football matches, you’re not asking yourself why there are so many players with such high talent that play this sports.

 

[Sade]

Sanji chances of having CoC ended exactly in this moment :

 

[OEKaneki]

"Royalty" does not mean Celestial Dragon. All the the Yonko/Emperors are Kings/Queens and so are a handful of the Shichibukai.

Doffy is a King. Hancock is a Queen.

Yes, it does. The Celestial Dragons are descendants of Kings and Queens who ruled various countries during the void century that left to Mariejois after the formation of the World Government. They are actual royalty.

The Yonko are not. They are not legitimate royalty. They have their titles by what they took, not because of their bloodline. They’re no more royal than Roger was, who got his title because the World Government called him it out of nowhere. Big Mom was born to normal parents before being abandoned. Whitebeard was an orphan on a destitute island. Teach was an orphan.

Hancock is not a real Queen. She was a regular girl that got enslaved.

None of these titles are legitimate royalty. They’re based on what they took later, not their blood.

And Oden.

But yeah, the majority of the Pirate "royalty" aren't actual royalty. The real royal bloodlines in One Piece are the Reverie attendants and Celestial Dragons.

Basically, the vast majority of CoC users we've seen are Napoleon- real world Napoleon, not One Piece sword Napoleon. Oden and Doflamingo are the only ones from a royal bloodline, they'd be the Bourbon's.

At the most you can argue the D's are obviously some special bloodline that trace their ancestors back to the Amcient Kingdom, but there's no guarantee that lineage is royalty- would there be at least seven royal families from one kingdom? And even then, there's still plenty of CoC users who have nothing to do with royalty or the Will of D.

I left off Oden because I’m not sure how the shogun system works in general. If it’s something where you can be appointed, then it’s not really royalty I think. Oden’s dad said he wanted Oden to be the next Shogun, which is like an appointment as opposed to inheritance, right?

Even with Oden, if the shogun is indeed royalty as opposed to a simple appointment of someone to power, as you said and I said previously, the overwhelming amount of evidence shows that CoC has nothing to do with “royal bloodlines,” so this would clearly not support Sanji (the issue of the D. clan notwithstanding).

 

[Exodia.]

Yes, it does. The Celestial Dragons are descendants of Kings and Queens who ruled various countries during the void century that left to Mariejois after the formation of the World Government. They are actual royalty.

The Yonko are not. They are not legitimate royalty. They have their titles by what they took, not because of their bloodline. They’re no more royal than Roger was, who got his title because the World Government called him it out of nowhere. Big Mom was born to normal parents before being abandoned. Whitebeard was an orphan on a destitute island. Teach was an orphan.

Hancock is not a real Queen. She was a regular girl that got enslaved.

None of these titles are legitimate royalty. They’re based on what they took later, not their blood.

I left off Oden because I’m not sure how the shogun system works in general. If it’s something where you can be appointed, then it’s not really royalty I think. Oden’s dad said he wanted Oden to be the next Shogun, which is like an appointment as opposed to inheritance, right?

Even with Oden, if the shogun is indeed royalty as opposed to a simple appointment of someone to power, as you said and I said previously, the overwhelming amount of evidence shows that CoC has nothing to do with “royal bloodlines,” so this would clearly not support Sanji (the issue of the D. clan notwithstanding).

i mean a royal blood line has to start somewhere

 

[Un-amed]

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Judge was a Conqueror

Sanji chances of having CoC ended exactly in this moment :

Zoro abandoned his dream to save Luffy.
So he shouldn't have CoC using your logic...

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Sanji chances of having CoC ended exactly in this moment :

Damn, I didn't know Zoro abandoned his dream back in Thriller Bark and Mihawk's island as well

 

[Lunaria]

I think people fixate too much on the notion of king. A CoC user can be a true royalty or not, at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter. The common trait shared by all CoC users is their ability to reign over people. They’re all kings, whether it’s through a formal reign or not is secondary.

Sanji chances of having CoC ended exactly in this moment :

Sanji was just trying to convince himself he was right to abandon his dream for Zeff. Deep down, he knew he was wrong and that’s not what he really wanted to do.

 

[Monster trio]

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[Hurley Pirates]

I personally think Zoro has it and will show/unlock it in Wano.

Don't think Sanji will have it. At least not within the current story line. In a Rayliegh like old head role in the distant future I can see it maybe.

 

[Drachenblut]

Luffy, zoro, sanji and usopp will have coc. Advanced coc probably enhances a persons strength tremendously. Luffy will have it. As for the others, their coc will be under luffy's.
Base coc is nothing much. And it isn't too much for the strawhats.

Roger, rayleigh and oden had it. Shanks atleast had the potential. Possibly scopper had it too.
(And I am absolutely sure, in the future buggy will have it too. Just like with usopp, buggy will change in the future. Maybe because of shanks death? )

So there were 4 confirmed people in roger's crew who had coc. Why not in luffy's crew? People overestimate (base) coc too much.

 

[BOCCHI]

Sanji was just trying to convince himself he was right to abandon his dream for Zeff. Deep down, he knew he was wrong and that’s not what he really wanted to do.

Don’t give that he was trying to convince himself.... Sanji is a character who would put his own life first before his dream/ambition. It’s clear so let’s not twist that.

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You don't know what important role could that ability play in the future

Do you really believe that Sanji and Zoro will unlock their CoC in this arc and out of nowhere reach a high lvl of mastery where they can do more than just knock fodders?

 

[Lunaria]

Don’t give that he was trying to convince himself.... Sanji is a character who would put his own life first before his dream/ambition. It’s clear so let’s not twist that.

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Do you really believe that Sanji and Zoro will unlock their CoC in this arc and out of nowhere reach a high lvl of mastery where they can do more than just knock fodders?

The way I see it, Oda tried to represent Sanji's inner struggle. He was torn between his desire to find All Blue and his feeling of guilt towards Zeff, which made him think he was morally obligated to stay at the Baratie forever and give up on his dream to honor his eternal debt. He had no rational reason to yell at someone he barely knew for making a personal choice.

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Usopp gettin CoC

 

[Sir Tuna Sandwich II]

IDK about ZoLo the idiot, but Lanji the simp will never get CoC lol

 

[thedarkdragon11]

The dream of finding All Blue will secure you a CoC now, eh?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

The dream of finding All Blue will secure you a CoC now, eh?

To be fair, Sanji's dream as a pirate isn't really just about finding some mythical sea, it was about freedom as well. His backstory should have made that very loud and clear that being born into that family and then being raised by a pirate afterwards all lead to him wanting such desire for freedom and fulfill all his dreams. Fishmen island was one of those dreams he wanted to acquire during that freedom.

 

[thedarkdragon11]

To be fair, Sanji's dream as a pirate isn't really just about finding some mythical sea, it was about freedom as well. His backstory should have made that very loud and clear that being born into that family and then being raised by a pirate afterwards all lead to him wanting such desire for freedom and fulfill all his dreams. Fishmen island was one of those dreams he wanted to acquire during that freedom.

That'll give the likes of Jinbe a pass for CoC as well...

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

That'll give the likes of Jinbe a pass for CoC as well...

Yeah why not.