Future Events Why Zoro and Sanji will face Calamities

[ShishioIsBack]

Why should Kidd defeat the second strongest antagonist of the arc when he is an irrelevant character who has no set goal for EoS while Zoro has to surpass a high top tier and story is done like 80%.

If Zoro coming out of Wano isn't even stronger than a Mere Yonko First Mate, when is he gonna reach that level. And then a level above that (Low top tier) and then a level above that (Shanks level) and then a level above that (Mihawk level) and then a level above that (surpassing Mihawk)?

 

[Akuma_Law]

Worst Gen thread delves into Zoro and Sanji fanboyism which inevitably turns into mindless nonsense regarding how one or both of those are stronger than Law, despite Law being exclusively Luffy’s rival, which means he’s out of both of their leagues.

All of which is to say that Worst Gen thread predictably follows Worst Gen pattern.

Preach

 

[Akuma_Law]

If you are going to poorly cop out like this knowing you have no argument, you shouldn't have quoted me in the first place.

Which part is headcanon?
Did Sanji take out P1? No
Did Sanji use his PU? Yes

So how is Sanji soloing Queen who is several times stronger than P1 when he couldn't take out P1 with his PU?

Did Sanji go all out in this fight? Lol the dude was experimenting and playing around with his PU that he never used before on P1 (and I don't really consider that thing a PU)

 

[bennbeckman]

The TB argument for Sanji having more durability than Zoro is by far the worst arc to make that argument. Zoro took on all that pain from Oars and Kuma and Luffy and survived, when Sanji confronted Kuma to take his life his body was shaking

 

[bennbeckman]

The easier argument would have been Enies lobby where he already got destroyed and beat a heathy Jabra in a heavily injured state, at least Sanji has some foothold there vs Zoro unlike TB

 

[Un-amed]

Did Sanji go all out in this fight? Lol the dude was experimenting and playing around with his PU that he never used before on P1 (and I don't really consider that thing a PU)

Rs is a PU, but not at all, it doesn't make him stronger, and is not useful against Strong People or even big bullets.Where his armor is useful...
It make Sanji Fly without effort, and it makes him be faster and invisible.... That's all.
The same with Emma, it's not a PU that makes Zoro the greatest Swordman, he must train his strength to become even stronger than him using another sword...It gives him strenght, but not one definitive strength...
And im sure both will fight a Calamity,but i'm still preferring Sanji Vs King for aerial reasons XD

 

[Monkey D Theories]

If Zoro coming out of Wano isn't even stronger than a Mere Yonko First Mate, when is he gonna reach that level.

in Luffy's fight against the marines

. And then a level above that (Low top tier) and then a level above that (Shanks level)

Shanks is Low top tier.

Zoro reaches Shanks level in the fight against blackbeard

and then a level above that (Mihawk level) and then a level above that (surpassing Mihawk)?

The final war. Also, I don't think EoS Zoro will be a whole level above Mihawk. he will be slightly stronger.

 

[Geo]

Did Sanji go all out in this fight? Lol the dude was experimenting and playing around with his PU that he never used before on P1 (and I don't really consider that thing a PU)

No he didn't. But neither did P1 so moot point.
Why don't you consider it a PU?

 

[MonsterZoro]

No he didn't. But neither did P1 so moot point.
Why don't you consider it a PU?

Invisibility and durability power up but everything else he can already do without the suit plus hes already fire proof.

 

[Geo]

Invisibility and durability power up but everything else he can already do without the suit plus hes already fire proof.

He's not fireproof. He got burn marks from Ceasar's explosion.
He got increased speed which + durability leads to increase attack power.

 

[Lifeismeh]

Sanji and Zoro fighting Queen and King was set in stone since King and Queen introduction, Oda is not even trying to hide it lol

 

[mosaab]

I think the issue with this thread and the mid trio vs tobi roppo thread is that there is this incorrect assumption that wano kuni is somehow a straw hat focused arc and that it will basically be like the enies lobby of the new world. That luffy will become an equal to the other yonko this arc and that post wano there is nothing left for Luffy to do but fight blackbeard.

This kinda makes zero sense when you look at it. Wano isn't a straw hat vs beast pirates arc. Rather, unlike any other arc except maybe marineford, you have a coalition of many different factions coming together to defeat the beast pirates. Hence, in such an arc, does it really make sense for the straw hats to steal all the good fights?

If the monster trio fights the calamities and the mid and weak trio fight the tobi roppo, what will everyone else do?

the fact of the matter is that we aren't going to transition immediately from Wano to fighting blackbeard. Luffy isn't going to have to become a yonko overnight. There is still one arc we can say with 95% certainty will happen between Wano and the blackbeard war. That is a fight with the marines.

It's next arc, the marine arc, where Luffy teams up with Dragon to save sabo, hancock, and vivi, which will be the enies lobby of the new world. At that point, Luffy will be strong enough to 1v1 akainu, the monster trio will be forced to fight the strongest members of the SSG, and so forth.

Zoro doesn't need to become YC1 before he's had a chance to fight a single high tier, neither does sanji. There's still time for them. Rather than have the straw hats fight characters radically stronger than them, on a level they've never faced before, why not have progressive and incremental growth while respecting other characters and not making the entire universe focus around the straw hats?

Why should Zoro or Sanji 1v1 Calamities if Kidd, who is portrayed as a rival of Luffy, has yet to have a single fight? This just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. I feel like fans want to just ignore the story to reinforce their own powerlevel headcanons

the worst thing that happened to one piece discourse is the five year timeline prediction from the editors of one piece, now everyone just predicts what they want to happen because there is NO MORE TIME!.
it's why everyone and their mother is coming to Wano apparently.
I repeat there is no pattern to one piece fights in canon, that is just an impression from toei filler,movies,special episodes & openings.

 

[MonsterZoro]

He's not fireproof. He got burn marks from Ceasar's explosion.
He got increased speed which + durability leads to increase attack power.

his speed did not increase he showed faster speed against oven. His durbility increase doesn't increase attack power.. it just improve his defense. Sanji is already fire proof as we saw with pearl and explosion is different from fire... lol

 

[MonsterZoro]

Don't forget Sanji still has to unlock his genetic mutation probably something to do with his emotions turning into a devil aka black flames Sanji

Foreshadowed many times

 

[Geo]

his speed did not increase he showed faster speed against oven. His durbility increase doesn't increase attack power.. it just improve his defense. Sanji is already fire proof as we saw with pearl and explosion is different from fire... lol

So having accelerators on your boots does not increase speed?
So COA which represents armor increasing durability does not increase attack power?

Adding an "lol" to your point when it is flawed is quite ironic. If he received burn marks from an explosion, then he isn't fireproof...what caused the burn marks?

 

[ShishioIsBack]

in Luffy's fight against the marines

That sounds ridiculous to me. I think it is garbage tier story telling if the gap between Zoro and Luffy is same as an emperor and first mate.

Not only does that diminish all the crazy feats Oda has given Zoro, it also diminishes all the time Oda has spent portraying Zoro as an absolute exceptional subordinate who should be a captain had it not been for Luffy. Hell Zoro was shown to be even stronger than Luffy in Thriller Bark and fought equally with Luffy in Whiskey Peak.

It not only makes Zoro look like shit, it also makes Luffy look like shit because Luffy is supposed to be that dude who has magnetic charisma, who is supposed to attract people who that goes beyond normalcy. It was especially emphasized in MF through Mihawk when Luffys scariest ability is his ability to attract strong people.

So if anytime in the series if Zoro his strongest crew mate is any less than a high diff for him, it makes Luffy look pathetic in my opinion because at that point he becomes just a regular captain. And at that moment series falls flat, the moment gap between Luffy and Zoro is same as Yonko and his/her first mate, the moment One Piece looses its specialty.

Anyways I do think Luffy can currently extreme diff Zoro.

Luffy and Zoro both should be admiral level in war with Marines although Luffy should be slightly stronger than Akainu and Zoro slightly stronger than Kizaru

Shanks is Low top tier.

Zoro reaches Shanks level in the fight against blackbeard

Why is Shanks a low top tier lol?
Dude walks into Marine ford cool as a cucumber and casually stops Akainu's blood lusted charge, challenges every body at Marine Ford and it results in Marines agreeing to his demands, dude has the smallest crew and fleet yet is supposed to compete with Kaido who is supposedly high top tier.

I think even Oden is a mid top tier let alone Shanks being a low top tier.

You were talking people putting their power level head canons over plot? It makes negative sense for someone who is supposed to be final dude Blackbeard defeats before he reaches the level where he is a final antagonist.

The final war. Also, I don't think EoS Zoro will be a whole level above Mihawk. he will be slightly stronger.

I think EoS Zoro > Roger. There isn't enough mental gymnastics to convince me Gol D Roger is not a swordsman lmao when he was performing pound ho.

He was skilled enough swordsman to fight WB's gura fruit.

 

[MonsterZoro]

So having accelerators on your boots does not increase speed?
So COA which represents armor increasing durability does not increase attack power?

Adding an "lol" to your point when it is flawed is quite ironic. If he received burn marks from an explosion, then he isn't fireproof...what caused the burn marks?

No dude we saw in the anime and manga that his accelerator just replaces his own movement it isn't used with his own speed. I already agreed to the durability increase but notthing suggest he got a power increase untill we see him use the accleration on his kicks just like judge did. no explosion is different then pure fire. Your comparing a bomb to burning fire. lol

 

[Lunaria]

I think the issue with this thread and the mid trio vs tobi roppo thread is that there is this incorrect assumption that wano kuni is somehow a straw hat focused arc and that it will basically be like the enies lobby of the new world. That luffy will become an equal to the other yonko this arc and that post wano there is nothing left for Luffy to do but fight blackbeard.

This kinda makes zero sense when you look at it. Wano isn't a straw hat vs beast pirates arc. Rather, unlike any other arc except maybe marineford, you have a coalition of many different factions coming together to defeat the beast pirates. Hence, in such an arc, does it really make sense for the straw hats to steal all the good fights?

If the monster trio fights the calamities and the mid and weak trio fight the tobi roppo, what will everyone else do?

the fact of the matter is that we aren't going to transition immediately from Wano to fighting blackbeard. Luffy isn't going to have to become a yonko overnight. There is still one arc we can say with 95% certainty will happen between Wano and the blackbeard war. That is a fight with the marines.

It's next arc, the marine arc, where Luffy teams up with Dragon to save sabo, hancock, and vivi, which will be the enies lobby of the new world. At that point, Luffy will be strong enough to 1v1 akainu, the monster trio will be forced to fight the strongest members of the SSG, and so forth.

Zoro doesn't need to become YC1 before he's had a chance to fight a single high tier, neither does sanji. There's still time for them. Rather than have the straw hats fight characters radically stronger than them, on a level they've never faced before, why not have progressive and incremental growth while respecting other characters and not making the entire universe focus around the straw hats?

Why should Zoro or Sanji 1v1 Calamities if Kidd, who is portrayed as a rival of Luffy, has yet to have a single fight? This just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. I feel like fans want to just ignore the story to reinforce their own powerlevel headcanons

The SHs are the main characters and it’s the crew of the future PK so it only makes sense to put the spotlight on them.

 

[Geo]

No dude we saw in the anime and manga that his accelerator just replaces his own movement it isn't used with his own speed. I already agreed to the durability increase but notthing suggest he got a power increase untill we see him use the accleration on his kicks just like judge did. no explosion is different then pure fire. Your comparing a bomb to burning fire. lol

I don't think that's the case. If Sanji starts running and uses the accelerators, would it not boost his speed?

Increasing durability increases attack power ..that's literally what COA does.

You said he is fire proof which means he doesn't get burned. If that is true then why does he have burn marks?
What creates burn marks?

 

[MonsterZoro]

I don't think that's the case. If Sanji starts running and uses the accelerators, would it not boost his speed?

Increasing durability increases attack power ..that's literally what COA does.

You said he is fire proof which means he doesn't get burned. If that is true then why does he have burn marks?
What creates burn marks?

How can you run and use the acclerators at the same time its impossble once the acclerators are activated hes moving on his own his legs are no longer do the work. We seen it with all the vinsmokes none of them use accleration while running. Sanji also never used accerlators while running.
So far oda has only showed us that the suit is durable and is used as a shield. It doesn't show us that it has increased his power.

The only way the raid suit can incrase his power is if he uses his kicks and then adds on the acclerators on top of the kick. like judge did here

Coa makes your attack stronger because its harder. The raid suit has never been said to be "hard" the material is not "hard" like coa its just durable.