Character Discussion Why Zoro still remains the Best Straw Hat
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Yea in terms of balance between relevant and not completely ruined I'd say he's second to Nami. She's prominent in every arc she's in and she's not nearly as one-tone as Zoro is. Only downside you can point to is increased cheap visual fanservice.
I've enjoyed Franky more than Zoro too, but he's not as prominent, though when he is on screen he does have a solid presence.
Sanji is dead to me since WCI, Luffy since Wano. The rest barely pass as supporting characters.
I've enjoyed Franky more than Zoro too, but he's not as prominent, though when he is on screen he does have a solid presence.
Sanji is dead to me since WCI, Luffy since Wano. The rest barely pass as supporting characters.
Dude with Zoro we still get moments like this
And probably best combat sequences out of any straw hat, not not probably definitely.
All we get with Nami are cartoon titties and crying.
I enjoyed Zoro in Egg-Head quite a bit actually. His finisher on Lucci, moment with Nusjuro, trashing Luffy about Ace, using Whitebeard's sleep CoO all that was pretty good.
All he is lacking is depth. But surface level enjoyment, he is good for.
Other straw hats are genuinely unwatchable.
Coolest Post Time Skip Fight Sequence from any straw hat.
Shanks vs Green Bull felt like a cheap version of this.
And probably best combat sequences out of any straw hat, not not probably definitely.
All we get with Nami are cartoon titties and crying.
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I enjoyed Zoro in Egg-Head quite a bit actually. His finisher on Lucci, moment with Nusjuro, trashing Luffy about Ace, using Whitebeard's sleep CoO all that was pretty good.
All he is lacking is depth. But surface level enjoyment, he is good for.
Other straw hats are genuinely unwatchable.
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Coolest Post Time Skip Fight Sequence from any straw hat.
Shanks vs Green Bull felt like a cheap version of this.
Nah I can't bare Zoro's Luffy glazing. With Nami it is ok for her to glaze Luffy, it doesn't take anything away from her because she is a weakling, in fact those moments add to her character. She is willing to stick up for her captain against stronger opponents, despite being weak.
When Zoro does it I cringe. The final chapter of King vs Zoro is a cringefest, not only with the King of Hell nickname, but also because it became a battle of who can suck off their captain harder, and Zoro showed he sucks his captain off harder than King does, so he prevailed. WSS was a sidegig to this.
When Zoro does it I cringe. The final chapter of King vs Zoro is a cringefest, not only with the King of Hell nickname, but also because it became a battle of who can suck off their captain harder, and Zoro showed he sucks his captain off harder than King does, so he prevailed. WSS was a sidegig to this.
That all is true.
The One Piece format of Luffy glazing and repeated troupes have struck everyone in a negative light. But I am just saying at least Zoro gets moments that are enjoyable on surface level.
Other characters like Law Straw hats etc are completely hopeless.
Law was decent in Dressrosa but his writing lacks charisma.
This >> Every moment from every other straw hat ever.
The One Piece format of Luffy glazing and repeated troupes have struck everyone in a negative light. But I am just saying at least Zoro gets moments that are enjoyable on surface level.
Other characters like Law Straw hats etc are completely hopeless.
Law was decent in Dressrosa but his writing lacks charisma.
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This >> Every moment from every other straw hat ever.
I think it was more like Zoro is so strong that even Sanji distracting Zoro, he no diffed Lucci.
It was basically Sanji telling Zoro "You are fighting someone who can kill me and all other straw hats in 2 seconds, please stop playing and finish him"
I genuinely wish Zoro leaves straw hats @ZenZu
He can turn into one of the greatest characters in anime if he does so and beats Luffy's ass.
Worst thing about Zoro is that he is a straw hat.
It was basically Sanji telling Zoro "You are fighting someone who can kill me and all other straw hats in 2 seconds, please stop playing and finish him"
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I genuinely wish Zoro leaves straw hats @ZenZu
He can turn into one of the greatest characters in anime if he does so and beats Luffy's ass.
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Worst thing about Zoro is that he is a straw hat.
I would have preferred Luffy's absence from this sequence but he is still talking about WSS title as his Kingly Ambition.
He has advCoC because he wants to Surpass Mihawk, not because he is glazing LuffY
He has advCoC because he wants to Surpass Mihawk, not because he is glazing LuffY
Heck Zoro literally called himself Cringe of Hell for Luffy. I was still trying to cope deep down that Zoro was still that guy, but 1036 was too much to bare, it felt like it was written for 13 year old Luffy fans.
Two absurdly strong characters are going at it in a fight to the death, and the only thing they can think about is Kaidou and Luffy, no semblance of individuality. Zoro unlocking CoC was also linked to Luffy's face. I do not need to see Luffy's face in Zoro's key moments. Just lackeys doing lackey things. This fight lost its cool factor to me. Thriller Bark was amazing because Kuma was going for Luffy directly, the rooftop stuff is fine too with Zoro protecting Luffy. This Zoro vs King shit is wack af, and no one is gonna convince me otherwise.
Heck Zoro literally called himself Cringe of Hell for Luffy. I was still trying to cope deep down that Zoro was still that guy, but 1036 was too much to bare, it felt like it was written for 13 year old Luffy fans.
Two absurdly strong characters are going at it in a fight to the death, and the only thing they can think about is Kaidou and Luffy, no semblance of individuality. Just lackeys doing lackey things. This fight lost its cool factor to me. Thriller Bark was amazing because Kuma was going for Luffy directly, the rooftop stuff is fine too with Zoro protecting Luffy. This Zoro vs King shit is wack af, and no one is gonna convince me otherwise.
Zoro as an individual = Great
Zoro as a straw hat = Trash
Every single thing that is gravitated towards his role as straw hat is trash because Straw Hat Pirates are trash. The whole system is trash and it starts at the very top where the captain is potentially worst character in One Piece.
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I like Zoro's Hard Work, Dedication, Resilience, mental toughness, combat sequences, and pre time skip dialogues.
I hate Zoro's Luffy Glazing and I hate Zoro's Rivalry with Sanji.
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I guess Zoro is a protector at heart. He knew Lucci would kill any straw hat in sight and Sanji was close enough so he destroyed Lucci.
These moments were so cool though, I loved Zoro as the hidden captain. The silent beast with his own identity, chasing his own dream of becoming the world’s strongest swordsman, yet choosing to sail under Luffy. It gave Zoro his own identity while telling us how special Luffy was for being able to have someone like Zoro willing to sail under him. Both of them benefitted from this.
When Thriller Bark happened, it didn’t feel out of place. Zoro sacrificing everything for Luffy was character development, it added depth, and it worked because Luffy was actually in immediate danger. It did not replace Zoro the character, it just added to him. I'm completely fine with Zoro in the protector role and as a Straw Hat.
The issue now isn’t that Zoro protects Luffy. It’s that his entire identity seems to orbit around Luffy in a way that undermines his own arc. There's a difference between choosing to protect someone as a sign of strength, and constantly being framed as existing only through them. The former makes him stand taller, the latter erases his character behind Luffy's. Oda was walking a thin line with Zoro and he failed.
It's like Zoro's entire arc is filtered through Luffy. His biggest battles, his power ups, his internal struggles, everything circles back to Luffy. It's like Luffy is on this guys mind 24/7 365, It's an identity loss. I don’t want to see Luffy’s face in Zoro’s mind during his own defining moments. I don’t want the climax of his battles hijacked by another man's image. When he awakens CoC, or when he beats the strongest opponent he's ever fought. Let him be a character, not a Luffy echo chamber, just like the rest of the strawhats. With Zoro, it stings more, because it dilutes what made him special, that hidden captain aura, the man who lowkey stood shoulder to shoulder with Luffy, not behind him. Zoro’s battles should be sacred, untouched by the usual Luffy worship. We get it, he respects his captain. Oda has beaten this into the ground until there’s nothing left, get that shit out of my face.
When Thriller Bark happened, it didn’t feel out of place. Zoro sacrificing everything for Luffy was character development, it added depth, and it worked because Luffy was actually in immediate danger. It did not replace Zoro the character, it just added to him. I'm completely fine with Zoro in the protector role and as a Straw Hat.
The issue now isn’t that Zoro protects Luffy. It’s that his entire identity seems to orbit around Luffy in a way that undermines his own arc. There's a difference between choosing to protect someone as a sign of strength, and constantly being framed as existing only through them. The former makes him stand taller, the latter erases his character behind Luffy's. Oda was walking a thin line with Zoro and he failed.
It's like Zoro's entire arc is filtered through Luffy. His biggest battles, his power ups, his internal struggles, everything circles back to Luffy. It's like Luffy is on this guys mind 24/7 365, It's an identity loss. I don’t want to see Luffy’s face in Zoro’s mind during his own defining moments. I don’t want the climax of his battles hijacked by another man's image. When he awakens CoC, or when he beats the strongest opponent he's ever fought. Let him be a character, not a Luffy echo chamber, just like the rest of the strawhats. With Zoro, it stings more, because it dilutes what made him special, that hidden captain aura, the man who lowkey stood shoulder to shoulder with Luffy, not behind him. Zoro’s battles should be sacred, untouched by the usual Luffy worship. We get it, he respects his captain. Oda has beaten this into the ground until there’s nothing left, get that shit out of my face.
These moments were so cool though, I loved Zoro as the hidden captain. The silent beast with his own identity, chasing his own dream of becoming the world’s strongest swordsman, yet choosing to sail under Luffy. It gave Zoro his own identity while telling us how special Luffy was for being able to have someone like Zoro willing to sail under him. Both of them benefitted from this.
When Thriller Bark happened, it didn’t feel out of place. Zoro sacrificing everything for Luffy was character development, it added depth, and it worked because Luffy was actually in immediate danger. It did not replace Zoro the character, it just added to him. I'm completely fine with Zoro in the protector role and as a Straw Hat.
The issue now isn’t that Zoro protects Luffy. It’s that his entire identity seems to orbit around Luffy in a way that undermines his own arc. There's a difference between choosing to protect someone as a sign of strength, and constantly being framed as existing only through them. The former makes him stand taller, the latter erases his character behind Luffy's. Oda was walking a thin line with Zoro and he failed.
It's like Zoro's entire arc is filtered through Luffy. His biggest battles, his power ups, his internal struggles, everything circles back to Luffy. It's like Luffy is on this guys mind 24/7 365, It's an identity loss. I don’t want to see Luffy’s face in Zoro’s mind during his own defining moments. I don’t want the climax of his battles hijacked by another man's image. When he awakens CoC, or when he beats the strongest opponent he's ever fought. Let him be a character, not a Luffy echo chamber, just like the rest of the strawhats. With Zoro, it stings more, because it dilutes what made him special, that hidden captain aura, the man who lowkey stood shoulder to shoulder with Luffy, not behind him. Zoro’s battles should be sacred, untouched by the usual Luffy worship. We get it, he respects his captain. Oda has beaten this into the ground until there’s nothing left, get that shit out of my face.
When Thriller Bark happened, it didn’t feel out of place. Zoro sacrificing everything for Luffy was character development, it added depth, and it worked because Luffy was actually in immediate danger. It did not replace Zoro the character, it just added to him. I'm completely fine with Zoro in the protector role and as a Straw Hat.
The issue now isn’t that Zoro protects Luffy. It’s that his entire identity seems to orbit around Luffy in a way that undermines his own arc. There's a difference between choosing to protect someone as a sign of strength, and constantly being framed as existing only through them. The former makes him stand taller, the latter erases his character behind Luffy's. Oda was walking a thin line with Zoro and he failed.
It's like Zoro's entire arc is filtered through Luffy. His biggest battles, his power ups, his internal struggles, everything circles back to Luffy. It's like Luffy is on this guys mind 24/7 365, It's an identity loss. I don’t want to see Luffy’s face in Zoro’s mind during his own defining moments. I don’t want the climax of his battles hijacked by another man's image. When he awakens CoC, or when he beats the strongest opponent he's ever fought. Let him be a character, not a Luffy echo chamber, just like the rest of the strawhats. With Zoro, it stings more, because it dilutes what made him special, that hidden captain aura, the man who lowkey stood shoulder to shoulder with Luffy, not behind him. Zoro’s battles should be sacred, untouched by the usual Luffy worship. We get it, he respects his captain. Oda has beaten this into the ground until there’s nothing left, get that shit out of my face.
What Audience really wants from Zoro is individual Dominance and Declarations
Like Sanji fits as a subordinate, he doesn't even have an aura. But Zoro has too much aura that it feels too out of place for him to be a subordinate, at least one glazing his captain.