You are putting word in my mouth as I said :
- Zoro used KoH on panel
- Lucci was able to block
- I don't know what happened offscreen and don't use it as a fact or an argument
- I agree that Lucci blocking KoH once doesn't mean he can't be overpowered by it later. With stronger attacks and named attacks
- Last I don't think Zoro IS doing bad but Lucci is just strong
You are the one who want to erase something because it doesn't satisfy your agenda mon ami
Yeah, thanks for clarifying that you are too delusional to be worth talking too. Looking at only the smoke and then at the huge black lightning traits that he left (when he did use ACoC) and going "yeah, they look exactly the same" is diabolical
Is the implication that Zoro can only use conquerors haki if he goes up a form and can't just use it in base? He HAS to be in KoH to be using it. Green flames and lightning aren't indicatators apparently.
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Luffy was handling Kizaru. Now there's another dude on the island so strong that everyone reacts to his presence. Zoro thinks to conserve his strength just in case he needs to fight someone strong. It's not rocket science. Zoro is not losing much stamina fighting Lucci in base - substantial stamina loss comes with excessive haki use.
Sounds like you need to re-read chapters 1093/94 buddy, you not even making sense rn.
Zoro did not use KOH vs Lucci. KOH requires substantial amounts of black lightning on all three swords - did you see that in 1093? No? What did you see, a baby black spark on a single sword? Lool. You're aware small sparks of black lightning are used to depict CoA right? I bet y'all think Coby uses ACoC too since he had tiny black lightning sparks around his fist.
Furthermore, let's say Zoro did use KOH in 1093. In 1094, he was no longer in KOH because he wasn't in Santoryu. Tell me, why would Zoro use his strongest mode that drains his strength rapidly and subsequently stop using his strongest sword style immediately after? Y'all need to turn your brains on frfr. When has Zoro used KOH without having all 3 swords out? Oh yeah, he hasn't, because that would be fucking stupid.
So according to you guys, Zoro entered KOH in 1093, used zero named attacks, exited KOH in 1094 and has been fighting in base with nitoryu ever since, against Lucci's strongest form. Tell me, how does that make Zoro look bad again? Shitting on Zoro is fine, but at least make it make sense. How about waiting until he uses a named attack, let alone KOH lmfao. If Zoro uses named KOH attacks and still can't overwhelm Lucci then he's trash. Until then, y'all could maybe uhh... Shut the fuck up.
Do you not see the fucking gigantic black lightning streaks in the very first panel when the attack actually takes place or are you a Stevie Wonder hidey? Oda makes it clear whenever ACoC is being used. If you have to ask, it's probably not ACoC.
He can't use KOH for long period of time he said it himself, i didn't say overall i said in KOH mode specifically.
He tried to finish lucci quick in the beginning with KOH but failed so he switched back.
Yeah, and he took away the third sword because it was too heavy, personal names attacks were too energy-consuming, and the bandana interfered with blood flow
Yeah, and he took away the third sword because it was too heavy, personal names attacks were too energy-consuming, and the bandana interfered with blood flow
Ain't no way bro said that shit. Why would you turn into your weakest form if you allegedly can't defeat the enemy in your strongest form? That's literally retarded but oh well, a Zoro hater saying retarded stuff isn't new at all
They are too small rays in that attack, as if it were not 100%, that is why that attack is only KOH and not Dragon Style. And if you take into account those little rays in that attack, you should also take this little lightning in this scene.
Oda has errors and is inconsistent in the drawing. That's why it should clearly show when Zoro uses ADVcoc (Dragon Style).
From my point of view, against Lucci he has only used KOH for a short time and without using attacks and most of the time only basic haki with 2 swords. Against King, Zoro use KOH on the Oni giri, ADVcoc (not KOH) on the yakodori.
Finally, Dragon Damnation (KOH + Dragon Style)
Those are just CoA sparks, they are commonly found among people who dont have aCoC.
It is not KoH unless you refer to ryo alone as KoH.
Dont be confused by dragon style too much, it is just a prefix for an attack to show it as new attack instead of being old one bcs it shares the same movement.
Just like KKG became OKG while it is the same move, it didnt become a different style just because it coated into coc...
Dragon style might actually refer to aerial move which is something new that Zoro didnt have before but other than that Dragon Damnation is just Hiryu Kaen with more swords.
Ain't no way bro said that shit. Why would you turn into your weakest form if you allegedly can't defeat the enemy in your strongest form? That's literally retarded but oh well, a Zoro hater saying retarded stuff isn't new at all
You are putting word in my mouth as I said :
- Zoro used KoH on panel
- Lucci was able to block
- I don't know what happened offscreen and don't use it as a fact or an argument
- I agree that Lucci blocking KoH once doesn't mean he can't be overpowered by it later. With stronger attacks and named attacks
- Last I don't think Zoro IS doing bad but Lucci is just strong
You are the one who want to erase something because it doesn't satisfy your agenda mon ami
I didn't said CoC wasn't used but I don't use offpanel so I can't confirm it too. I do think Zoro showed it in 1093 tho in the last panel
That's where we disagree this panel is CoC or not
I didn't said CoC wasn't used but I don't use offpanel so I can't confirm it too. I do think Zoro showed it in 1093 tho in the last panel
That's where we disagree this panel is CoC or not
Whatever it is.... is pretty irrelevant as long as Lucci didnt face it in combat. That lightning was tiny as hell too, so im not sure whats up with that.
Zoro never used KoH against Lucci. That was CoA haki discharge.
Zoro's KoH/ACoC lightning/discharge is different than CoA lightning/discharge and the two doesn't look the same.
Oda is consistent with the way he draws Zoro's ACoC black lightning and it has a very distinct look. Zoro's ACoC is drawn as large black lightning that wraps or flows around his swords. The lightning, if stretched out, is at least the length of his swords.
ACoC/KoH:
KoH is flames/smoke combined with ACoC.
CoA lightning or discharge looks different and is much smaller. It's not even a 1/3 the length of his swords
CoA:
Not all lightning or discharges ACoC. That has been true throughout the entire manga. It's foolish for us to believe Zoro used ACoC against Lucci and he didn't comment on his power. Nobody except for Kaido, King and a few Wano fodders knows he has that power. Not even the SH knows he possess CoC/ACoC. Jinbe and Lucci will witness Zoro's CoC power.
Zoro never stated he can't use KoH for long. He said if his battle against King drags on the sword will suck his life away.
That was after Zoro fought for hours in a war where he faced thousands of opponents, 2 yonkos, and a lunarian who harder to damage than Kaido or BM all while using a sword that was forcing him to release more haki than he wishes for majority of the time.
That is very different than Zoro fighting Lucci for about 5 to 10 minutes. Believing Zoro doesn't have haki to fight for 5 to 10 minutes after the amount he used during the war is illogical.
Zoro never stated he's running low on energy. It would be different if Zoro stated he was or needed to eat food to replenish his energy like Luffy. You have nothing supporting your claim.
He tried to finish lucci quick in the beginning with KOH but failed so he switched back.
There's no evidence that Zoro tried to finish the battle quickly earlier and failed. That is headcannon. This chapter counters your claim. Zoro stated it's time to wrap things up and he's in control of the fight. This is a very first time we are told he's ready to end the fight.
Remember, haven't fought for a long time.
If Lucci is strong enough to deal with KoH 3 sword Zoro why isn't he dominating the battle or overpowering 2 swords Zoro? Use your head. It doesn't making sense for Lucci to be able to deal with 3 sword Zoro using more power better than 2 sword Zoro using less power.
The reason Zoro went from 2 swords to 3 swords was because he doesn't need to use 3 swords to handle awakening Lucci or control the battle. It's common for Zoro to use the minimum amount of power necessary. When Zoro beat Pica he used pre TS version of an attack.
This is Oda's way of showing Zoro's growth and new strength. Zoro can fight and handle a YC1 level character, who using their strongest form awakening, with just 2 swords.
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