Speculations Why Zoro's only opponent in this arc is Kaido and why he is in the same situation as Luffy.

Who will Zoro fight

  • Round 2 Kaido + ZKK

    Votes: 69 61.6%
  • King

    Votes: 32 28.6%
  • Queen

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • He is done for the rest of the arc

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
#41
its not though luffy was already physically stronger than croc it was just about hitting him

kaido is above luffy has just walked through a gauntlet of 14 people.

the 2nd fight is done he had a 5 vs 2 advantage and lost

theres nothing that makes sense that luffy will 1 vs 1 kaido in another fight and solo him
It's the same theme except Luffy needs to develop his haki and use it properly rather than bypass a logia's invincibility cheat and overcome their hax powers.

I don't buy that Wano closes without the world recognizing Luffy as above Kaido in a 1-on-1 even if Kaido's nerfed and Luffy had help. I wouldn't be surprised if at the tail end (where everyone's rejuvenated), Luffy duels with "good" Big Mom to fulfill his promise in Fishman Island.
 
#42
Luffy is absolutely eons away from constituting a yonko level man most likely. He might come up with awakening but that's most likely not closing the gap in entirely a lot. Yamato will most likely help vanquishing the monster and they might even fail with the Grandmaster kicking in back.
 
#43
Unless they get trashed in their hybrid forms, none of them are nerfed to make a difference...
Even with CoC coating, King and Queen would beat him, easily.
He doesnt have the same luxury as Kaido due to tough skin...
He doesn't need tough skin. He on screen was toe to toe with Kaido. King and Queen are not doign that. He was faster than Kaido enough to use adv CoC to block his attack and attack him.

All 3 types of haki in advanced form. Actually 4 types, the Asspulling Haki is his greatest. Luffy never fought 1v1 Oda was always helping him. He would win against King and Queen.
 
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#44
It's totally different with Kaido, he has to die. He's not the type of character you can break after you defeat. He has to die at the end of this arc.
Also, Kaido will always be a threat to Wano and Luffy if he survives, he is just too OP and persistent. Have you even read the latest chapter? Kaido is not Crocodile.
Different how? Kaido's crimes against Wano can be easily compared to other villains Luffy has defeated that lived regardless.

I will agree that he is an exception, in that he has even more reason to live than other villains. The guy WANTS a death, a legendary one at that in the midst of a war he himself created. That alone means he shouldn't die because he would be getting what he wants..
 
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#45
I'll try and make it very simple.

Zoro's opponent ever since he got Enma was Kaido, no one else.
He makes it clear at the very beginning of the raid that his goal is Kaido.

Again, 9 chapters later, Zoro reaffirms that he wants to go to Kaido.

Notice what Luffy says? He demands everyone to handle everything besides the defeat of Kaido. However, 8 chapters later, what do we get? We get Zoro declaring that he's only come to Onigashima to kill Kaido. Does this suggest that in Zoro's mind, there's a difference between killing Kaido (what he plans on doing) and beating Kaido (what Luffy plans on doing)? This is the only way I can make sense of this without having Zoro completely disrespecting and disregarding his captain's wishes.

While on the rooftop, we see Zoro attempting mainly finishing moves on Kaido except for his Black Rope Dragon Twister. Though, with the Dragon Twister, Zoro had a different idea in mind. Instead of killing Kaido, he wanted to save Luffy from being eaten. As far as I'm aware, Oni Giri, Hiryu Kaen, and Asura are all finishing moves with the idea being to kill Kaido. Unfortunately for Zoro and Luffy, both fail at their goals. Luffy doesn't manage to defeat Kaido and Zoro doesn't manage to kill him either.

The interesting thing here to note is that Zoro's parallel with Oden has come full circle.
Oden meets a 26-year-old woman named Toki and is nursed by her.
Zoro meets a 26-year-old woman named Hiyori and is nursed by her.
An enraged Oden attempts to kill Orochi, fails, then shifts his focus to Kaido.
An enraged Zoro attempts to kill Orochi, fails, then shifts his focus to Kaido.
Oden fails in killing Kaido and only manages to scar him.
Zoro fails in killing Kaido and only manages to scar him.

This is why Asura is meant to be a disappointing moment for Zoro. He quite literally failed to achieve what he wanted to do and goes down while wishing he did more. Unfortunately, fans who dislike the idea of Zoro doing anything more to Kaido have turned it into a hype and fun moment. "Finally, Zoro got his moment, now get out of the way" type mentality...
Zoro has now completed the parallel between him and the unsuccessful samurai Oden. However, unlike Oden, he will have the chance to mirror what the successful samurai Ryuma did.

Lastly, unless you think Zoro fighting Kaido was just a random choice by Oda. Then Zoro fighting anyone besides Kaido will be a delay similar to Apoo.
King, Queen, or whoever it is, it doesn't matter. They're only delays to Zoro's actual goal.
Both Luffy and Zoro went down before achieving what they wanted to do, it's clear that by the end of the arc, they will both achieve their respective goals.
 
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#46
I'll try and make it very simple.

Zoro's opponent ever since he got Enma was Kaido, no one else.
He makes it clear at the very beginning of the raid that his goal is Kaido.

Again, 9 chapters later, Zoro reaffirms that he wants to go to Kaido.

Notice what Luffy says? He demands everyone to handle everything besides the defeat of Kaido. However, 8 chapters later, what do we get? We get Zoro declaring that he's only come to Onigashima to kill Kaido. Does this suggest that in Zoro's mind, there's a difference between killing Kaido (what he plans on doing) and beating Kaido (what Luffy plans on doing)? This is the only way I can make sense of this without having Zoro completely disrespecting and disregarding his captain's wishes.

While on the rooftop, we see Zoro attempting mainly finishing moves on Kaido except for his Black Rope Dragon Twister. Though, with the Dragon Twister, Zoro had a different idea in mind. Instead of killing Kaido, he wanted to save Luffy from being eaten. As far as I'm aware, Oni Giri, Hiryu Kaen, and Asura are all finishing moves with the idea being to kill Kaido. Unfortunately for Zoro and Luffy, both fail at their goals. Luffy doesn't manage to defeat Kaido and Zoro doesn't manage to kill him.

The interesting here to note is that Zoro's parallel with Oden has come full circle.
Oden meets a 26-year-old woman named Toki and is nursed by her.
Zoro meets a 26-year-old woman named Hiyori and is nursed by her.
An enraged Oden attempts to kill Orochi, fails, then shifts his focus to Kaido.
An enraged Zoro attempts to kill Orochi, fails, then shifts his focus to Kaido.
Oden fails in killing Kaido and only manages to scar him.
Zoro fails in killing Kaido and only manages to scar him.

This is why Asura is meant to be a disappointing moment for Zoro. He quite literally failed to achieve what he wanted to do and goes down while wishing he did more. Unfortunately, fans who dislike the idea of Zoro doing anything more to Kaido have turned it into a hype and fun moment. "Finally, Zoro got his moment, now get out of the way" type mentality...
Zoro has now completed the parallel between him and the unsuccessful samurai Oden. However, unlike Oden, he will have the chance to mirror what the successful samurai Ryuma did afterwards.

Lastly, unless you think Zoro fighting Kaido was just a random choice by Oda. Then Zoro fighting anyone besides Kaido will be a delay similar to Apoo.
King, Queen, or whoever it is, it doesn't matter. They're only delays to Zoro's actual goal.
Both Luffy and Zoro went down before achieving what they wanted to do, it's clear that by the end of the arc, they will both achieve their respective goals.
I think this is a solid breakdown. But I also don’t think it means Zoro v King can’t happen in between now and Zoro having his Ryuma moment.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#47
He doesn't need tough skin. He on screen was toe to toe with Kaido. King and Queen are not doign that. He was faster than Kaido enough to use adv CoC to block his attack and attack him.

All 3 types of haki in advanced form. Actually 4 types, the Asspulling Haki is his greatest. Luffy never fought 1v1 Oda was always helping him. He would win against King and Queen.
Luffy was facing one attack source from Kaido - the club. One hand/leg barrier is enough to stop that.
Facing two commanders at the same time requires you to stop several attack sources at the same time, at least two.
King and Queen are more likely to land a clean hit on him than Kaido which means he does need a tough skin...

He was never faster than Kaido except when Kaido underestimated him and attacked him from behind - 1000 and 1010.
He would have his hands full against either Queen or King, facing both at the same time is suicide.
No tough skin like Kaido, no ultimate regeneration like Marco...
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#54
This place will be on meltdown mode when zoro fights queen.
You make it sound like that is bad for Zoro...
You do understand that there is no bad scenario for Zoro no matter what happens from this point on?
Even if he retires and doesnt do anything for the rest of the arc, he already got the best feats in the verse.
Everything he does, is just an awesome bonus. And you think we will have a meltdown if he fighters one Calamity instead of the other?
You are probably speaking about the meltdown that Anti-Zolo Pirates will have. :yasu:
 
#55
You make it sound like that is bad for Zoro...
You do understand that there is no bad scenario for Zoro no matter what happens from this point on?
Even if he retires and doesnt do anything for the rest of the arc, he already got the best feats in the verse.
Everything he does, is just an awesome bonus. And you think we will have a meltdown if he fighters one Calamity instead of the other?
You are probably speaking about the meltdown that Anti-Zolo Pirates will have. :yasu:
Im not saying it’s a bad thing. I’m saying the people in this forum thinks it’s a bad thinf
 
#60
Luffy was facing one attack source from Kaido - the club. One hand/leg barrier is enough to stop that.
Facing two commanders at the same time requires you to stop several attack sources at the same time, at least two.
King and Queen are more likely to land a clean hit on him than Kaido which means he does need a tough skin...

He was never faster than Kaido except when Kaido underestimated him and attacked him from behind - 1000 and 1010.
He would have his hands full against either Queen or King, facing both at the same time is suicide.
No tough skin like Kaido, no ultimate regeneration like Marco...
No dude, Kaido's attack is another level from King/Queen's attack. If Luffy can block Kaido's attack he has no problem dividing his haki to block 2 YC attack's at same time.
 
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