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The only way for Mihawk’s title to be fake is for a swordsman to be stronger than him
and the only ways For a swordsman to be proven to be stronger than him are
1. The swordsman defeats Mihawk
2. Oda out of verse (as in an SBS or something) directly says This swordsman is stronger than Mihawk
3. Someone who knows the general strength of both swordsmen directly says “this swordsman is stronger than Mihawk”. (This point is very interesting because Zoro exists and Zoro has fought Big mom, Nusjuro, S-Hawk and Fujitora and Zoro has never once ever thought “this swordsman is stronger than Mihawk”. And he was even with Luffy when they both sensed Shanks’ wi-fi haki on Greenbull, and Zoro still has never made a comment on Shanks being stronger than Mihawk even after feeling Shanks’ CoC)
I mean if Oda wants to tell us something about Mihawk’s title, he can just tell us directly. Can’t he? What’s stopping Oda from doing any of the above things?
and the only ways For a swordsman to be proven to be stronger than him are
1. The swordsman defeats Mihawk
2. Oda out of verse (as in an SBS or something) directly says This swordsman is stronger than Mihawk
3. Someone who knows the general strength of both swordsmen directly says “this swordsman is stronger than Mihawk”. (This point is very interesting because Zoro exists and Zoro has fought Big mom, Nusjuro, S-Hawk and Fujitora and Zoro has never once ever thought “this swordsman is stronger than Mihawk”. And he was even with Luffy when they both sensed Shanks’ wi-fi haki on Greenbull, and Zoro still has never made a comment on Shanks being stronger than Mihawk even after feeling Shanks’ CoC)
I mean if Oda wants to tell us something about Mihawk’s title, he can just tell us directly. Can’t he? What’s stopping Oda from doing any of the above things?
zoro did not fight any of them. he clashed with them. none of them used their best moves. so he has no frame of reference.
zoro literally did not know what acoc was until gaben told him. meaning he did not see mohawk use acoc. so mohawk never actually fought seriously against zoro at all. ie, zoro once against doesn't have a frame of reference to how strong mohawk is compared to others.
he's just going off of mohawk's title.
oda is hardly that direct lol.
it all depends on when in the story the zoro vs mohawk fight happens. my theory has always been that it will happen at or before raftel. So depending on the order, there would be one or more opponents for zoro after he defeats mohawk. and since zoro's opps generally get stronger as the story progresses, that would mean those opps would be stronger than mohawk.
zoro literally did not know what acoc was until gaben told him. meaning he did not see mohawk use acoc. so mohawk never actually fought seriously against zoro at all. ie, zoro once against doesn't have a frame of reference to how strong mohawk is compared to others.
he's just going off of mohawk's title.
oda is hardly that direct lol.
it all depends on when in the story the zoro vs mohawk fight happens. my theory has always been that it will happen at or before raftel. So depending on the order, there would be one or more opponents for zoro after he defeats mohawk. and since zoro's opps generally get stronger as the story progresses, that would mean those opps would be stronger than mohawk.
No, Zoro knows what CoC is. He just didn’t know he had it.
also who told you wi-if haki is AcoC.
you think Zoro has seen Mihawk’s best moves? We see from Rayleigh that you can actually power scale characters without even clashing with them at all. So Zoro having actually fought these guys is enough.
Zoro literally clashes once with s-hawk and says he doesn’t measure up to Mihawk immediately
Isn’t he?
The reason we know Garp’s “the hero” name is fake is because we are seeing it DIRECTLY from Oda in God valley right now.
the reason we know Marineford WB was no longer WSM is because HE SAYS IT HIMSELF. Did you forget this? That WB himself says he is no longer WSM
the reason we know Kaido’s WSC title is suspicious is because it was introduced suspiciously with “People say”. It was literally introduced as a rumor. And then all of Wano exists to show us that Kaido makes shit up all the time. For example Kaido thought he was “invincible” 26 years ago. 26 years ago was during prime Roger and prime Whitebeard era, and yet in Orochi’s flashback Kaido already thinks he is “invincible” when Prime Roger and WB are the fuckin top of the sea.
Aren’t all the above Oda very directly commenting on these titles without the need for us readers to make shit up?
So how come no such thing exists for Mihawk? No one in the entire OP manga has ever doubted Mihawk’s title. Oda himself has never introduced Mihawk in a narrator box saying “he is rumored to be WSS”. And you cannot even use the Kaido argument of Kaido over inflating his own strength because we have very many examples of Mihawk doing the exact opposite.
have you noticed this? Mihawk very regularly puts several characters above himself, all the time. First he says Pirate king is above himself. Then when he goes to Marineford, he doesn’t know that Whitebeard is no longer WSM so he thinks Prime Whitebeard is also above himself. Then in Marineford again when he realizes that he has failed to kill Luffy, he says Luffy has a power that is above his own power, the power to get other stronger people to fight and save his life. Then even recently mihawk tells buggy that he won’t fight 3 Yonko for him so again he power scales 3 Yonko and their entire crews above his own singular power.
Have you noticed that Mihawk is the only character who does this? The only top tier who is very very forthcoming about how weak he himself is. The man literally admits that he can’t even beat Marineford Luffy because he realizes that Luffy has too many allies and that alone is an ability that is above him already.
People ignore how much Mihawk is extremely fair about his own power level because Mihawk also very clearly tells Zoro that he is the TOP OF THE WORLD when it comes to swordsmen too. Mihawk can very blatantly call himself weak so many times but the one time he called himself strong, it was too much. Simply because a certain rat man is also a swordsman so now Mihawk is over inflating his own power level like Kaido does
also who told you wi-if haki is AcoC.
you think Zoro has seen Mihawk’s best moves? We see from Rayleigh that you can actually power scale characters without even clashing with them at all. So Zoro having actually fought these guys is enough.
Zoro literally clashes once with s-hawk and says he doesn’t measure up to Mihawk immediately
Isn’t he?
The reason we know Garp’s “the hero” name is fake is because we are seeing it DIRECTLY from Oda in God valley right now.
the reason we know Marineford WB was no longer WSM is because HE SAYS IT HIMSELF. Did you forget this? That WB himself says he is no longer WSM
the reason we know Kaido’s WSC title is suspicious is because it was introduced suspiciously with “People say”. It was literally introduced as a rumor. And then all of Wano exists to show us that Kaido makes shit up all the time. For example Kaido thought he was “invincible” 26 years ago. 26 years ago was during prime Roger and prime Whitebeard era, and yet in Orochi’s flashback Kaido already thinks he is “invincible” when Prime Roger and WB are the fuckin top of the sea.
Aren’t all the above Oda very directly commenting on these titles without the need for us readers to make shit up?
So how come no such thing exists for Mihawk? No one in the entire OP manga has ever doubted Mihawk’s title. Oda himself has never introduced Mihawk in a narrator box saying “he is rumored to be WSS”. And you cannot even use the Kaido argument of Kaido over inflating his own strength because we have very many examples of Mihawk doing the exact opposite.
have you noticed this? Mihawk very regularly puts several characters above himself, all the time. First he says Pirate king is above himself. Then when he goes to Marineford, he doesn’t know that Whitebeard is no longer WSM so he thinks Prime Whitebeard is also above himself. Then in Marineford again when he realizes that he has failed to kill Luffy, he says Luffy has a power that is above his own power, the power to get other stronger people to fight and save his life. Then even recently mihawk tells buggy that he won’t fight 3 Yonko for him so again he power scales 3 Yonko and their entire crews above his own singular power.
Have you noticed that Mihawk is the only character who does this? The only top tier who is very very forthcoming about how weak he himself is. The man literally admits that he can’t even beat Marineford Luffy because he realizes that Luffy has too many allies and that alone is an ability that is above him already.
People ignore how much Mihawk is extremely fair about his own power level because Mihawk also very clearly tells Zoro that he is the TOP OF THE WORLD when it comes to swordsmen too. Mihawk can very blatantly call himself weak so many times but the one time he called himself strong, it was too much. Simply because a certain rat man is also a swordsman so now Mihawk is over inflating his own power level like Kaido does
if he knows what acoc is, he would know what he has is exactly that...
it was basically the exact same as soyboy rope haki which was acoc. they even had the same df negating effect on others.
no. that is precisely my point. he is going off of solely the title.
and zoro is not so proficient in coo. there's been no indication that he possesses that ability.
no it is not.
he was talking about s hawk and mohawk's personality iirc. nothing about their strength.
wb says he cannot be the strongest forever. that is not direct lol. that's vague and can be taken as wb saying he is no longer the wsm or wb saying he cannot be the wsm any longer.
Cause mohawk has his own version of that.
He has a ton of anti feats and a peculiar lack of portrayal and feats. Which makes anyone other than the zoro fandom question his title's validity.
do you not see the contradiction here?
you yourself said mohawk admits to being inferior to roger and prime beard. and that by extension means he is also weaker than rocks and garp.
So 2 swordsmen who don't have black blades. Yet that very fact is used by the zoro fandom to put mohawk above all of them. And to put mohawk above the rat too.
The same rat who was on equal footing with the same wb that by your own admission, mohawk admitted inferiority to. The same rat who got put alongside roger, rocks and wb by the wsc himself in a rare moment of lucidity for him.
So mohawk views himself inferior to roger, rocks and wb. But people, like the wsc, views the rat on the same level as them. Does that not mean mohawk is basically viewing himself as inferior to the rat?
Also note that the rat has heavy portrayal that paints him as his generation's roger. And that the rat is not the one who stopped fighting mohawk. it was mohawk who stopped fighting the rat. He avoided confronting the rat multiple times in the manga. Note that mohawk is also the one who says "he doesn't wanna settle anything with the rat". Which means either mohawk never won vs the rat, always drew with the rat, or have the same number of wins, the rat has more wins than mohawk, or the rat won their last duel. None of those are good for mohawk's portrayal and his title claim.
Take all this into account and we are left with mohawk's own word's and actions contradicting with his title.
So, it's mohawk's own word against himself. The multiple times you mentioned of him putting people above him, vs the single time he said he was at the top when in comes to swordsmen.
What do you make of that? Do we discard all the instances he dehyped himself, and take the one instance he hyped himself as the complete and only truth? Or do we go the opposite way and discard the one instance he hyped himself and keep all the times he thought himself weaker?
On what merit can you choose the former? Cause that means he has been lying the whole time. So his one instance of hyping himself would also be under scrutiny for being just a lie. Where as in the latter scenario, he has been telling the truth the whole time, and merely lied once. That isn't as egregious and is much more easy to believe than the other scenario isn't it?
it was basically the exact same as soyboy rope haki which was acoc. they even had the same df negating effect on others.
no. that is precisely my point. he is going off of solely the title.
and zoro is not so proficient in coo. there's been no indication that he possesses that ability.
no it is not.
he was talking about s hawk and mohawk's personality iirc. nothing about their strength.
wb says he cannot be the strongest forever. that is not direct lol. that's vague and can be taken as wb saying he is no longer the wsm or wb saying he cannot be the wsm any longer.
Cause mohawk has his own version of that.
He has a ton of anti feats and a peculiar lack of portrayal and feats. Which makes anyone other than the zoro fandom question his title's validity.
do you not see the contradiction here?
you yourself said mohawk admits to being inferior to roger and prime beard. and that by extension means he is also weaker than rocks and garp.
So 2 swordsmen who don't have black blades. Yet that very fact is used by the zoro fandom to put mohawk above all of them. And to put mohawk above the rat too.
The same rat who was on equal footing with the same wb that by your own admission, mohawk admitted inferiority to. The same rat who got put alongside roger, rocks and wb by the wsc himself in a rare moment of lucidity for him.
So mohawk views himself inferior to roger, rocks and wb. But people, like the wsc, views the rat on the same level as them. Does that not mean mohawk is basically viewing himself as inferior to the rat?
Also note that the rat has heavy portrayal that paints him as his generation's roger. And that the rat is not the one who stopped fighting mohawk. it was mohawk who stopped fighting the rat. He avoided confronting the rat multiple times in the manga. Note that mohawk is also the one who says "he doesn't wanna settle anything with the rat". Which means either mohawk never won vs the rat, always drew with the rat, or have the same number of wins, the rat has more wins than mohawk, or the rat won their last duel. None of those are good for mohawk's portrayal and his title claim.
Take all this into account and we are left with mohawk's own word's and actions contradicting with his title.
So, it's mohawk's own word against himself. The multiple times you mentioned of him putting people above him, vs the single time he said he was at the top when in comes to swordsmen.
What do you make of that? Do we discard all the instances he dehyped himself, and take the one instance he hyped himself as the complete and only truth? Or do we go the opposite way and discard the one instance he hyped himself and keep all the times he thought himself weaker?
On what merit can you choose the former? Cause that means he has been lying the whole time. So his one instance of hyping himself would also be under scrutiny for being just a lie. Where as in the latter scenario, he has been telling the truth the whole time, and merely lied once. That isn't as egregious and is much more easy to believe than the other scenario isn't it?
He didn’t even know he had BASIC COC. How would he know he had acoc.
Name them. Anti-feats that specifically say he is not the strongest swordsman in the world.
for example Mihawk not fighting the entire marines for the sake of his island doesn’t say anything about whether he is the strongest swordsman in the world
What the fandom thinks has nothing to with the manga.
we don’t know what black blades mean in the manga so that’s that
Shanks isn’t comparable to Prime WB or Roger. Shanks is a Yonko, and Mihawk has directly said that he doesn’t think Shanks is worth fighting. Pirates king is above Yonko level, according to mihawk.
Wait you think that Kaido’s top 5 is Kaido saying these character are the same power level? You think Kaido is saying Oden is comparable to Roger?
okay. Let’s assume this is what Kaido is saying. Fine. And Of course Mihawk is saying pirate king is above all these guys. Fine again.
One of them is wrong. Pick and choose. Who do you think is wrong. Kaido, the guy who thinks he cannot be defeated by anyone besides Joyboy, as in Kaido has seen Imu at god valley, yet he thinks no one on the planet besides Joyboy, can defeat him. Or Maybe Mihawk is the one that’s wrong.
pick one.
This hasn’t happened anywhere in the manga
Or he is telling the truth every time
You think there’s a contradiction based on you head canon. As in you have decided that your headcanon is correct so Mihawk must be wrong.
Name them. Anti-feats that specifically say he is not the strongest swordsman in the world.
for example Mihawk not fighting the entire marines for the sake of his island doesn’t say anything about whether he is the strongest swordsman in the world
What the fandom thinks has nothing to with the manga.
we don’t know what black blades mean in the manga so that’s that
Shanks isn’t comparable to Prime WB or Roger. Shanks is a Yonko, and Mihawk has directly said that he doesn’t think Shanks is worth fighting. Pirates king is above Yonko level, according to mihawk.
Wait you think that Kaido’s top 5 is Kaido saying these character are the same power level? You think Kaido is saying Oden is comparable to Roger?
okay. Let’s assume this is what Kaido is saying. Fine. And Of course Mihawk is saying pirate king is above all these guys. Fine again.
One of them is wrong. Pick and choose. Who do you think is wrong. Kaido, the guy who thinks he cannot be defeated by anyone besides Joyboy, as in Kaido has seen Imu at god valley, yet he thinks no one on the planet besides Joyboy, can defeat him. Or Maybe Mihawk is the one that’s wrong.
pick one.
This hasn’t happened anywhere in the manga
Or he is telling the truth every time
You think there’s a contradiction based on you head canon. As in you have decided that your headcanon is correct so Mihawk must be wrong.
That's my point. He doesn't shit about coc. It's pretty fair to say he did not know what acoc was. ie, he didn't know what the fuck shank was doing and how that compares to mohawk.
i named a few below
And also stuff like Vista postponement. Getting his slash meant for wb stopped by jozu another commander. Teaming up with Croco and people treating Buggy as his superior. Buggy calling them out. Sweating at the prospect of having to fight other yonko crews.
Like it or not, you are a part of the zoro fandom. I am arguing against the popular opinion from your fandom.
Yeah we don't know much about black blades. which makes using it as an argument to put mohawk above literally everyone all the more asinine.
Shanks has portrayal for being comparable. Hell he literally has portrayal being compared to the original soyboy.
Mohawk not wanting to fight shank is on mohawk. That's his own problem.
No. But they are of a level that kaido finds worthy. And kaido putting shank with roger rocks wb is portrayal.
kaido also has lolden ptsd and is a lolden fanboy. his opinion on lolden is less factual than the other 4.
mohawk's statement was "pk is a tougher path than surpassing me"
meaning he views pk as above himself. Not everyone.
So there's no need to choose. And we already know pk had lots of equals like wb and garp. So this tracks with what i said.
Kaido was extremely delusional when it came to his own power. As is evident by him saying "no one in the world can defeat me" while at the exact same time, goofy was literally beating his ass and he was thinking and bewildered by goofy's power.
The contradiction of his words and his thoughts clearly show us that his words about himself should be taken with a grain of salt. But his inner thoughts and thoughts about others, have been mostly accurate. Thus the shank portrayal still holds up.
i literally explained it. not my fault if you wanna ignore it all.
No. There actually is a contradiction.
You said mohawk views himself inferior to people that shank has been compared to. By shank's portrayal and mohawk's own words, shank is above mohawk then. which contradicts with his title unless shank is somehow not considered a swordsman.
i named a few below
And also stuff like Vista postponement. Getting his slash meant for wb stopped by jozu another commander. Teaming up with Croco and people treating Buggy as his superior. Buggy calling them out. Sweating at the prospect of having to fight other yonko crews.
Like it or not, you are a part of the zoro fandom. I am arguing against the popular opinion from your fandom.
Yeah we don't know much about black blades. which makes using it as an argument to put mohawk above literally everyone all the more asinine.
Shanks has portrayal for being comparable. Hell he literally has portrayal being compared to the original soyboy.
Mohawk not wanting to fight shank is on mohawk. That's his own problem.
No. But they are of a level that kaido finds worthy. And kaido putting shank with roger rocks wb is portrayal.
kaido also has lolden ptsd and is a lolden fanboy. his opinion on lolden is less factual than the other 4.
mohawk's statement was "pk is a tougher path than surpassing me"
meaning he views pk as above himself. Not everyone.
So there's no need to choose. And we already know pk had lots of equals like wb and garp. So this tracks with what i said.
Kaido was extremely delusional when it came to his own power. As is evident by him saying "no one in the world can defeat me" while at the exact same time, goofy was literally beating his ass and he was thinking and bewildered by goofy's power.
The contradiction of his words and his thoughts clearly show us that his words about himself should be taken with a grain of salt. But his inner thoughts and thoughts about others, have been mostly accurate. Thus the shank portrayal still holds up.
i literally explained it. not my fault if you wanna ignore it all.
No. There actually is a contradiction.
You said mohawk views himself inferior to people that shank has been compared to. By shank's portrayal and mohawk's own words, shank is above mohawk then. which contradicts with his title unless shank is somehow not considered a swordsman.
Who told you wi-fi haki was AcoC?
Vista isn’t stronger than Mihawk so this doesn’t discredit Mihawk’s title. Jozu has higher defense than Whitebeard’s that’s why took the hit for him, Because Whitebeard can’t tank such a hit. Mihawk doesn’t treat buggy as his superior. Mihawk saying he cannot fight 3 Yonko crews doesn’t affect whether he is WSS. Mihawk’s title isn’t “the man who can defeat 3 Yonko crews” it’s “the man who can defeat any swordsman in 1v1”
so, no anti-feats yet
Nope. No character in the manga has ever said Shanks is Pirate king level.
and that Joyboy statement would only make Shanks pirate king level if we could compare it to Roger. Like a reliable character saying “Roger doesn’t have Joyboy level haki”, then it would be impressive that someone compared Shanks’ haki to Joyboy
And he says that he is stronger than every swordsman in the world, which includes Shanks and Big mom, so he is saying that Pirate king is above two yonko
His top 5 are also his words and thoughts.
wait, are you now saying that some words from him are correct and some others are lies?
you know that that statement of him being the strongest is from an inner dialogue panel, he doesn’t say it to anyone. He genuinely thinks he’s the shit. So you want us to pick and choose which statements of his are correct based on whichever agenda we have decided to follow?
that’s on you my guy, I will simply not trust anything a liar says. Even his “haki transcends all” statement is suspicious until a WAY MORE reliable character says it.
Again this is your headcanon. You think Kaido’s top 5 is Kaido saying these 5 people are in the same tier or equal or comparable to one another, when it’s clearly not true. Both because Oden is there, and second because Kaido is completely unreliable.
the only way you can say that Mihawk is wrong, is by believing your specific interpretation of What Kaido said. And I have to emphasize, this is YOUR interpretation, not even a stated one. In the manga, Kaido calls his top 5 the “people who can fight me”. And Kaido doesn’t add Big mom, who fought him for 3 days to a draw, and Imu, who he knows exists, because Kaido is COMPLETELY UNRELAIBLE.
So no, there is no contradiction to anything Mihawk has ever said in the actual manga. Not in your headcanon, the actual manga. Mihawk has no reason to downplay how strong Shanks is when he is completely fine even admitting inferiority to Marineford Luffy.
this is it btw, your entire idea is built around Mihawk specifically having some ideological reason or something to downplay shanks for some unknown reason. Mihawk has no problem admitting inferiority except specifically against shanks for some headcanon reason you are going to tell me. To the point that he is actively misleading Zoro by not revealing that actually Shanks is the WSS.
This is it right? Mihawk is maliciously destroying Zoro’s dream for some unknown irrational hatred of Shanks specifically. And I’m assuming Zoro will never become WSS since he doesn’t know that Shanks is the true WSS because some unknown headcanon you are now going to explain right?
Vista isn’t stronger than Mihawk so this doesn’t discredit Mihawk’s title. Jozu has higher defense than Whitebeard’s that’s why took the hit for him, Because Whitebeard can’t tank such a hit. Mihawk doesn’t treat buggy as his superior. Mihawk saying he cannot fight 3 Yonko crews doesn’t affect whether he is WSS. Mihawk’s title isn’t “the man who can defeat 3 Yonko crews” it’s “the man who can defeat any swordsman in 1v1”
so, no anti-feats yet
Nope. No character in the manga has ever said Shanks is Pirate king level.
and that Joyboy statement would only make Shanks pirate king level if we could compare it to Roger. Like a reliable character saying “Roger doesn’t have Joyboy level haki”, then it would be impressive that someone compared Shanks’ haki to Joyboy
And he says that he is stronger than every swordsman in the world, which includes Shanks and Big mom, so he is saying that Pirate king is above two yonko
His top 5 are also his words and thoughts.
wait, are you now saying that some words from him are correct and some others are lies?
you know that that statement of him being the strongest is from an inner dialogue panel, he doesn’t say it to anyone. He genuinely thinks he’s the shit. So you want us to pick and choose which statements of his are correct based on whichever agenda we have decided to follow?
that’s on you my guy, I will simply not trust anything a liar says. Even his “haki transcends all” statement is suspicious until a WAY MORE reliable character says it.
Again this is your headcanon. You think Kaido’s top 5 is Kaido saying these 5 people are in the same tier or equal or comparable to one another, when it’s clearly not true. Both because Oden is there, and second because Kaido is completely unreliable.
the only way you can say that Mihawk is wrong, is by believing your specific interpretation of What Kaido said. And I have to emphasize, this is YOUR interpretation, not even a stated one. In the manga, Kaido calls his top 5 the “people who can fight me”. And Kaido doesn’t add Big mom, who fought him for 3 days to a draw, and Imu, who he knows exists, because Kaido is COMPLETELY UNRELAIBLE.
So no, there is no contradiction to anything Mihawk has ever said in the actual manga. Not in your headcanon, the actual manga. Mihawk has no reason to downplay how strong Shanks is when he is completely fine even admitting inferiority to Marineford Luffy.
this is it btw, your entire idea is built around Mihawk specifically having some ideological reason or something to downplay shanks for some unknown reason. Mihawk has no problem admitting inferiority except specifically against shanks for some headcanon reason you are going to tell me. To the point that he is actively misleading Zoro by not revealing that actually Shanks is the WSS.
This is it right? Mihawk is maliciously destroying Zoro’s dream for some unknown irrational hatred of Shanks specifically. And I’m assuming Zoro will never become WSS since he doesn’t know that Shanks is the true WSS because some unknown headcanon you are now going to explain right?
none of this matters
you admit that Roger and Wb, and by extension Rocks, are all above mohawk right?
that's enough for me
you admit that Roger and Wb, and by extension Rocks, are all above mohawk right?
that's enough for me
And By Mihawk’s own admission, he is above every living swordsman on the face of the planet. Above Shanks, Fujitora, Big mom, Nusjuro and Shamrock.
And all the above could be proven wrong the moment Oda says so or at least the moment Oda presents doubt. Which he never has. Not like he has for everyone else. For example Kaido who constantly lies about his own strength and the strength of others, all the time.
when Oda starts having Mihawk lie about power scaling, that’s when we will throw out everything he has ever said about his own strength and the strength of others.