Character Discussion Will Judge's son get his pride back?

Will Judge's son will get back his pride & name?

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Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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#81
#81
solis said:
Maybe the Sanji not hitting women thing is an extreme expression of a stance against domestic violence on Oda's side.
And I agree that domestic violence against women is a definite no-go.

But a difference should be made when it comes to battle. Hitting a female enemy in a war is unrelated to a domestic situation.
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Something those mangakas ALWAYS advertise which I stick by is "whoever gets involved in a war" to begin with and have just killing and murders in the name of a nation or whatever side (a facade by those higher up authorities from both countries)... that BOTH SIDES ARE AT WRONG...

In other words, not hitting a woman is an "idealistic" point of view, and it's a vision for an idealistic world with less violence as possible... HARD TO MAINTAIN in a world where violence is widespread like One Piece or ours.... even our real world and not fictional, it's hard to maintain... whoever pulls through his life sticking to his code, we should APPLAUD HIM, and not attack him...

The most important thing is Sanji knows it's something he will not do, the CREW knows Sanji very well now too and accept Sanji for who he is... and because of that, Nami and Robin were ready to take over the fight instead of him... they understand Sanji and respect his wishes... in fact, it's one of the FEW SCENES where Nami praised sanji, despite how she was ALWAYS negative with him...

And this time, it seems Robin is ALREADY with Blackmaria and Sanji, she knows fully well what she has to do and taking over this fight for Sanji's sake
 
imacub

imacub

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#91
#91
solis said:
Hitting people of ANY gender in a domestic or civilian environment is inacceptable.

But in a battle/war situation it is necessary to fight an enemy.
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this is what i meant @Sadistic Senpai

just making sure i convey my stance right


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Sadistic Senpai said:
Cause I have diarrhea today
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Trying to distract my stomach with some One Piece, then I saw Sanji slander LOL, so there was some chemical reaction and made me a bit more aggressive LOL
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That must be bad, get well soon!
 
Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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#92
#92
Punpun said:
Dude, I'm not arguing if hitting a woman is wrong on not. (I personally like, Do unto others that which you would have them do unto you. So if someone seriously hits you imo you have the right to defend or hit back ). But besides that Sanji's not hitting the women can be executed in a smart way. He can be clever about it. But Oda chooses to show that it is mostly handled in a pathetic way. That's what bothers me.

It's a story so I can take seriously any idea authors puts forwards but the deal is that it has to be well written and well executed.
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I agree that you have right to counter... I'm just saying that, despite Sanji having that right, he refuses and sticks to a code for the sake of Zeff.... it is something to admire, NOT shame him for it.... and apparantly the SH crew itself, they accept that, as long as the crew accept that, and Nami and Robin are willing to fight instead of him, people should not be complaining... As I said, it's one of the few moments when Nami praised Sanji... she usually disses him, but Kalifa scene made her praise his chivalry or not hitting back on a woman...

I can bet Robin also feels the same and would accept Sanji for who he is...

if no SH has a problem with that, why should we bother and force Sanji to hit back!? He has a right to stick to his code too since the group he follows accepts that about him...
 
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Ballel

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#93
Sadistic Senpai said:
Something those mangakas ALWAYS advertise which I stick by is "whoever gets involved in a war" to begin with and have just killing and murders in the name of a nation or whatever side (a facade by those higher up authorities from both countries)... that BOTH SIDES ARE AT WRONG...

In other words, not hitting a woman is an "idealistic" point of view, and it's a vision for an idealistic world with less violence as possible... HARD TO MAINTAIN in a world where violence is widespread like One Piece or ours.... even our real world and not fictional, it's hard to maintain... whoever pulls through his life sticking to his code, we should APPLAUD HIM, and not attack him...
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I actually get your point and like you stance on this.
Meaningless wars and the reason for war is an entirely different topic.
In One Piece, the straw hats are not the kind of group who meaninglessly attacks innocent people, other than the likes of Kidd pirares do for example.

Let's just say, the straw hats are lucky that the Sanji not fighting women thing is always written in a way that the straw hats do not receive actual damage because of it and that there is alwas another straw hat who can step in.
It's a difficult debate.
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Sadistic Senpai said:
Agreed, and war itself is bad, so avoid it at all costs LOL, better solution to not fall deep into bad actions and violence
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That reminds me of when Garp said that East Blue is not the weakest of the 4 seas but just the most peaceful one.
Yes, in general you are right
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Punpun said:
No that's not what I'm asking, I'm asking who should allow it to exist. as you said in your original comment.
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Media control entities?
Idk how they are called but in my country such a scene would be indexed.
 
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Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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#94
#94
Gargo said:
Why ? It's a pity gift from the family he hates.
He doesn't need that to be strong.
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Cause I see your reasoning very narrowminded view, as simple as that.....
RS is just a tool, it's not evil... or good.... however you use it, it can be used to protect your loved ones (SAVED MOMO and a whole kingdom hope for future with it) or it can be used for evil.... Sanji despite the gag scenes for his pervy attitude has come in clutch to save (Nami/Robin/Shinobu) from Hawkins/Drake.... and getting imprisoned, and he also used it to save the future of Wano country with Momo...their future shogun and rightful heir.... the idea of just throwing a tool made by someone you despise is so narrowmided and it's actually the worst character trait Sanji would have... that he would not move on with his life, and he would stick with his resentment EVEN at the cost of loved ones....
Sanji can get strong without RS, sure... he STILL DOES.... but if you are granted another bonus like RS, why not use it for your nakama and yourself!?
Again, it's not evil or good... RS is not something that affects Sanji's personality like Chopper's rumble ball pre-skip. Has Zero risks... him throwing the RS because he is trully pitiful and it would make Sanji's character digress and go down the toilet for me...

Especially after what Luffy and co went through to get him back, Sanji doesn't have the strength to swallow his pride and use RS for their advantage is WORST CHARACTER MOMENT for me...

This is like you are the son of a NOBLE family, VERY RICH, SO WEALTHY... but their money is tainted and came through bad ways... and you despise that and your family.... suddenly your family died and you inherited that wealth and money... What you are suggesting now is exactly like "burning all of that money on fire" while what Sanji is doing is using that wealth and money to do good deeds instead of just not using it for the good...

That's the difference
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vikas said:
Well Zeff is not in worstgen :doffytroll:
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I am here though and I follow Zeff logic
 
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Ballel

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#95
Sadistic Senpai said:
This is like you are the son of a NOBLE family, VERY RICH, SO WEALTHY... but their money is tainted and came through bad ways... and you despise that and your family.... suddenly your family did and you inherited that wealth and money... What you are suggesting now is exactly like "burning all of that money on fire" while what Sanji is doing is using that wealth and money to do good deeds instead of just not using it for the good...
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:finally:
 
Sadistic Senpai

Sadistic Senpai

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#99
#99
Punpun said:
He can stick to his code all he wants and his friends and family can accept for who he is, But that the author writing it that way. For us audience to accept it has to be written well. Which it clearly is not.

So I don't care who praises Sanji in the story as long as his interaction with women are written in such a way that he comes off as pathetic to us. I'll dislike it and so do most fans. I'm not saying that Sanji has to hit them, But he can be clever about not hitting them. At the moment he's behaving like a stupid idiot in the middle of a war.
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Honestly the fault mostly falls on Oda....
Like let's be honest... I am a man who does not hit women, in my life, it's natural to get angry at a woman or get provoked by a woman, that's life, it happens, and maybe I might face a woman who just pushes you to get angry and ht back, BUT to avoid such thing, to avoid hitting a woman, I just get out of that place, and avoid to be in same space.... It's something normal people can avoid to resort to violence...

The problem here is that Sanji does not hit women, BUT Oda arc after arc, he continues to just plot Sanji in that situation....and not only that, but somehow, Sanji forgot that he has a tool like RS that can make him invisible to run away from that floor and escape, SOMEHOW... Oda just forces Sanji to be in that situation....

Sanji would not get the same backlash or hate if Oda ONLY did this one time in the story, and we just got to know who he is, and for the other arcs, he made Sanji away from women opponents.... but the problem is that Oda is on continuous repeat for the SAME PLOT, over and over again to a point people started to hate him for it...

So for me, I do not hate Sanji's actions, I rather just hate Oda's script of STILL putting Sanji in same plot over and over when we know the outcome, which actually does not correlate to reality because in life, we don't fall in same trap over and over again, if I do not hit a woman and had a bad day with one, I do not face the SAME SHIT over and over again in other days and other years.... unless you are married to that person, but you can easily divorce if she is violent... it's all on Oda for me
 
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