Future Events Will Oda ruin Dragon next?

#22
Dragon is already ruined.
1. Did nothing to save Iva, his top officer from Impel Down.
2. Sacrificed Kuma for nothing
3. Ran away to Okama land when Teach destroyed his base.
4. Completely overshadowed by Sabo saving Kuma while Dragon knows nothing about the mission.
 
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VisualKei

#23
-> Igniting the revolution at Vira, around when Luffy takes down Arlong
-> Saving Luffy and co at Loguetown
-> Taking down WG countries in South & north blue around the time Luffy beat on Water 7.
-> Freeing thousands of slave by freeing a 700 year old Celestial Dragon ran country, Tequila Wolf.
-> Saving Nico Robin, having one of his underlings Ivankov train up Sanji, etc.
-> Taking over more countries after Doffy's fall, where they also succeeded in the mission he sent Sabo and co for regarding the weapons.
-> Had two enemies that were coming at him fight each other instead: Cp0+ marines vs BBP
-> Sent four his dudes to Mariejois to free Kuma and declare war.. mission accomplished.
-> Now they're causing more revolutions throughout World Government countries around the world
Plus he know some certain mineral Sir

 

Doggo

Talent is something you make bloom.
#25
I'm not sure how you can say the man hasn't done anything, and compare him to Mihawk & Shanks.. like bruh what?
That's because Sabo is getting flowers and applauses and instead of Dragon.
Obviously Dragon is a bard that gets really sad when he doesn't get the praises instead.
:doffycry:
 
#26
That's because Sabo is getting flowers and applauses and instead of Dragon.
Obviously Dragon is a bard that gets really sad when he doesn't get the praises instead.
:doffycry:
lmao bruh that's the crazy part. People really acting like Dragon wouldn't know that Sabo and co would be getting highlighted over him when they declare war on the CD. Though I reckon this much Sabo popularity is something unexpected even to him. However, since Kurouma said "we can't let the revolutionaries keep running unchecked" implies the RA used the new found popularity of Sabo to their benefit.

Though we still don't know the full situation with Cobra and why the news was published as such. But I can see two scenarios:


1st. They tried framing Sabo for the death where he probably rescued Vivi while trying to save Cobra too, but failed. Framing him so it would throw off the RA's plan to recruit more people. But Dragon and co after confirming it with Sabo and co (since it's already been weeks), decided to use that to their benefit to incite more rebellions around the world.

2nd. Somebody mentioned to Morgans about Sabo being there where Cobra got killed or framed it in a way where it implies Sabo did kill Cobra. And the World Government sent him that money to try and hide this very news (though I think the one they wanted to hide was the ST.Charlos one). But after confirming things with Sabo and co, the RA still decided to use this to their advantage.


But yea anyway you look at it, dude's been sitting on his chair and collecting Ws after Ws so far with the WG still unable to do anything about him for a decade.
 
#29
4. Completely overshadowed by Sabo saving Kuma while Dragon knows nothing about the mission.
Completely overshadowed by the mission he sent them on? lol



Plus he know some certain mineral Sir
Still curious to see where this plotline leads, and how powerful that mineral is compared to something like seastone. Def. gonna be used to boost the RA for the final war, that's for sure though.
 
#31
Dragon will be a chad and will be hyped

the guy can only lose to Imu and BB in the story. Narratively he can win any other fight.
I'm still conflicted on whether Teach will surpass him or not. If Teach stops at Laughtale, then I think Dragon will remain Top 1 until Imu is revealed to be the top dog or one of the Gorosei. But if Teach makes it past Luffy becoming the PK, then I do see Teach becoming Top 1 over Dragon.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#32
Why do you think that he ruined Big Mom? I thought he was pretty consistent with her.
- her Elbaf story not finished and never explored much
- the way he used her as secondary antagonist in Wano and being completely outshined by Kaido. You can say she had WCI but it’s not enough, Kata was the main deal.
- not really being beaten : bombs + silence etc. While Kaido had a more complete fight.
- the way Oda forgot her powers (coming to Wano and falling to the see) and the way Oda clowned her any moment he could.

etc etc etc

BM was playing second fiddle during the whole manga. She had a very strong introduction, and even a nice backstory. But after that it was all over the place.
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I'm still conflicted on whether Teach will surpass him or not. If Teach stops at Laughtale, then I think Dragon will remain Top 1 until Imu is revealed to be the top dog or one of the Gorosei. But if Teach makes it past Luffy becoming the PK, then I do see Teach becoming Top 1 over Dragon.
Teach will 100% surpass Dragon
Teach will need Luffy either go tag team him or to find a special way to beat him. So even if he is beaten before the final war he will stay stronger
 
#34
Teach will 100% surpass Dragon
Teach will need Luffy either go tag team him or to find a special way to beat him. So even if he is beaten before the final war he will stay stronger
Luffy tag teaming Teach doesn't make any sense to me (since Kaido already served that purpose) nor making him into special boss that requires a special way. Since the entire point of the fight is to establish Luffy as the top dog on the seas. Teach's importance as an antagonist when it comes to power is really no more than Akainu's, simply when you look at how they're portrayed at end of MF war & start of post-TS. And even now during the post-timeskip where Teach is loading up his squad, Akainu is loading up the marines with SSG.

On the other hand I don't see Luffy surpassing Dragon without Dragon witnessing it happen or being involved with it, as Oda has treated Dragon as a PK-level entity since his introduction (if not superior).
 
#36
Completely overshadowed by the mission he sent them on? lol




Still curious to see where this plotline leads, and how powerful that mineral is compared to something like seastone. Def. gonna be used to boost the RA for the final war, that's for sure though.
Dragon did not send them. It was Sabo's initiative and Dragon doesn't know about the mission
 
#37
Dragon did not send them. It was Sabo's initiative and Dragon doesn't know about the mission
Bruh what... lol.

Sabo -> Complains about Kuma's condition
Lindberg -> Tells Sabo he knows they feel and they're not gonna leave Kuma in that state
Karasu -> Says that's the reason they're there, but just freeing him won't return him to the old Kuma

Please do link that panel where Sabo talks about this initiative of his lol.
 

RayanOO

Lazy is the way
#39
Luffy tag teaming Teach doesn't make any sense to me
I can clearly see Luffy 1 vs 1 Teach but given Xebec was tag teasing and Oda loves repeat Coby or Smoker can be in the party.


Teach's importance as an antagonist when it comes to power is really no more than Akainu's, simply when you look at how they're portrayed at end
Teach is more important than Akainu in the antagonist ladder.

Teach is the main rival to reach and obtain the One piece. And that guy has two DF and the two most powerful in their category.

Teach power and ambition is hyped to be beyond others. Only Imu will be able to compare. Akainu will be weaker than Teach.

But I’m not sure Luffy will be stronger than Teaxh even after beating him. Luffy wasn’t stronger than Enel, wasn’t stronger than Moria, wasn’t stronger than Doffy, wasn’t stronger than Kata, Cracker or Kaido even at the end of the fight.

Luffy won’t fight Akainu. It’s not his fight.



simply when you look at how they're portrayed at end of MF war & start of post-TS. And even now during the post-timeskip where Teach is loading up his squad, Akainu is loading up the marines with SSG.
The problem is Akainu is the main villain and the main problem of his side : CD, Gorosei and obviously Imu are. Akainu can fall and the WG would still be here. Not saying Akainu isn’t important and powerful. He is both.

But Teach is more important in his own plot line. He is the one who will block Luffy from reaching his goal.


n the other hand I don't see Luffy surpassing Dragon without Dragon witnessing it happen or being involved with it, as Oda has treated Dragon as a PK-level entity since his introduction (if not superior).
Dragon can witness Luffy power during the final war against imu.
 
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