Powers & Abilities Will Sanji acquire Black Flames on Wano?

[PuckTheGreat]

I can already see this thread triggering some fans lolz but please note that the reason I’m creating this thread is not to get a rise outta y’all but coz I legit think it’s a possibility given recent developments in the story and would very much like you guys to be as objective as possible.

So now formalities aside :p, we’ve been introduced to something akin to impenetrable defenses Post-TS in Kaidou & Lilin and to counter this, Oda introduced Advanced Armament (I.e. directly destroy something from the inside with Haki), which Luffy is currently learning. And then has now introduced Enma, a sword that is apparently destructive enough to able to get through impenetrable defenses, which Zoro is on the verge of acquiring. Given this trend, do you think Sanji could also also acquire something (a tool/technique) that will also be able to bypass impenetrable defenses like Kaidou’s or BM’s as well? (i.e. When I think of a similar type of defense conundrum the SHs have encountered in the past, Tekkai comes to mind and to bypass it, Oda gave all of the M3 appropriate power-ups (Luffy’s gears which simply powers through Tekkai, Zoro’s Ashura which cuts through Tekkai & Sanji’s Diable Janbe which burns through Tekkai).

Which brings me to the title of the thread which is ‘Will Sanji acquire black flames on Wano?’. Y’all have prolly read other action/fantasy works like Naruto, Fairy tail etc. so you should already be familiar with how Black flames work and why it should be able to bypass quote on quote impenetrable defenses like Kaidou’s and Lilin’s.

Here are some reasons why I think black flames will be very appropriate for Sanji:
1.) Sanji is able to produce fire at will (possibly due to his genetic mods). So black flames will be a fitting power up for him.

2.) Sanji’s epithets are always tied with the color black ‘Black Leg’, ‘Stealth Black’ so black flames will be very fitting for him.

3.) The vinz special abilities all match their epithets (I.e. Sparking Red - Red Light, Electric Blue - Blue electricity etc.), so if Sanji’s fire abilities are indeed as a result of his genetic mods, Sanji having black flames will match this Vinsmoke theme.

4.) It’s the only way I feel Oda could possibly improve Sanji’s fire abilities atm. Sanji can already produce normal fire effortless using any part of his body or even ignite his whole body on fire so I feel the next improvement for Sanji’s fire abilities would be for him to develop a different more destructive type of fire.

So yh what do y’all think? In addition to voting, would be awesome if y’all could share your opinions in this thread as well ^^.

 

[Sakura no Hiluluk]

I'm honestly a little at a loss regarding Sanji's evolution in the future. I feel as if Oda is slowly phasing him out of the Monster Trio to replace him by Jinbe, since he now has to use his Germa suit to be up to speed with Zoro and Luffy's power-ups. He seems to take a more support role compared to Jinbe, who is a pure warrior like Zoro and Luffy.

I also think that if we haven't seen the full fight with Page One, it's because Oda wants to hide the suit's true abilities and that next time we'll see it, it'll have been enhanced by Usopp and Franky. Regarding all that, I don't see Sanji developping black flames or other non-technological means to pierce through impenetrable defenses. However, I could see him starting to see a little in the future, since his Observation Haki is dominant. While as not brutal in a fight, it is nonetheless extreemely useful as an ability when in battle.

However, i'm pretty sure that we'll see ALL the Strawhats going all out during the final fights of Wano. Expect explosive growth in battle prowesses for all of them, really, whatever the means. Especially now that there will be enough big names for all of them to fight some one on one, which hasn't happened in a long time.

 

[Just a member]

I don't know anyway the flame path for Sanji seems a bit deserted by Oda a t this point. There are good chances he will go down the raid suit route aka when he fights Queen he will use the raid suit to the fullest (vs page 1 we only get an appetizer of it). Also there is probably too much fire around now, Luffy has red hawk, BM's prometheus, king his flames, Kinemon cuts fire.. Anyway imo it still should be the most likely one after the raid suit.

 

[Haku]

I get the color comparison. But don't get the need off. He needs to improve armament and obvs haki and durability to match up future enemies.

 

[Finalbeta]

Not sure maybe a new technique at least.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Black flames is cool.. especially with that RS suit


I hope so

 

[Gran D. Master]

First you need to learn haki in order to blacken anything

 

[Geo]

Well he already got the power up in the RS so not sure about black flames. Depends on how the RS will amplify his DJ

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Well he already got the power up in the RS so not sure about black flames. Depends on how the RS will amplify his DJ

RS is mainly a defensive upgrade beside providing toughness and little speed enhancement that can somewhat also enhance offense, bt to deliver deadly blows to Calamities, given they are Ancient zoans with high durability and obviously better Haki, higher level attacks are obviously expected imo.

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I can already see this thread triggering some fans lolz but please note that the reason I’m creating this thread is not to get a rise outta y’all but coz I legit think it’s a possibility given recent developments in the story and would very much like you guys to be as objective as possible.

So now formalities aside :p, we’ve been introduced to something akin to impenetrable defenses Post-TS in Kaidou & Lilin and to counter this, Oda introduced Advanced Armament (I.e. directly destroy something from the inside with Haki), which Luffy is currently learning. And then has now introduced Enma, a sword that is apparently destructive enough to able to get through impenetrable defenses, which Zoro is on the verge of acquiring. Given this trend, do you think Sanji could also also acquire something (a tool/technique) that will also be able to bypass impenetrable defenses like Kaidou’s or BM’s as well? (i.e. When I think of a similar type of defense conundrum the SHs have encountered in the past, Tekkai comes to mind and to bypass it, Oda gave all of the M3 appropriate power-ups (Luffy’s gears which simply powers through Tekkai, Zoro’s Ashura which cuts through Tekkai & Sanji’s Diable Janbe which burns through Tekkai).

Which brings me to the title of the thread which is ‘Will Sanji acquire black flames on Wano?’. Y’all have prolly read other action/fantasy works like Naruto, Fairy tail etc. so you should already be familiar with how Black flames work and why it should be able to bypass quote on quote impenetrable defenses like Kaidou’s and Lilin’s.

Here are some reasons why I think black flames will be very appropriate for Sanji:
1.) Sanji is able to produce fire at will (possibly due to his genetic mods). So black flames will be a fitting power up for him.

2.) Sanji’s epithets are always tied with the color black ‘Black Leg’, ‘Stealth Black’ so black flames will be very fitting for him.

3.) The vinz special abilities all match their epithets (I.e. Sparking Red - Red Light, Electric Blue - Blue electricity etc.), so if Sanji’s fire abilities are indeed as a result of his genetic mods, Sanji having black flames will match this Vinsmoke theme.

4.) It’s the only way I feel Oda could possibly improve Sanji’s fire abilities atm. Sanji can already produce normal fire effortless using any part of his body or even ignite his whole body on fire so I feel the next improvement for Sanji’s fire abilities would be for him to develop a different more destructive type of fire.

So yh what do y’all think? In addition to voting, would be awesome if y’all could share your opinions in this thread as well ^^.

Nic3 post. I think the very reason his name being Black Leg and nw Stealth Black, i have been expecting Black flames from Sanji long time nw. Bt the way Oda handling Sanji so far i have grown my doubts about it.

Bt even if i dont see colour flames becoming Reality for Sanji, i definitely see advance version/some higher end attack of HM combined with Hardening used by Sanji in his fight against Queen.

 

[Geo]

RS is mainly a defensive upgrade beside providing toughness and little speed enhancement that can somewhat also enhance offense, bt to deliver deadly blows to Calamities, given they are Ancient zoans with high durability and obviously better Haki, higher level attacks are obviously expected imo.

Well we saw with his brothers that it amplifies their base special powers greatly. Also we saw from Sanji v P1 how much stronger his attacks got so I think his DJ attacks would definitely hurt a commander if he is to fight one that Is.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Well we saw with his brothers that it amplifies their base special powers greatly. Also we saw from Sanji v P1 how much stronger his attacks got so I think his DJ attacks would definitely hurt a commander if he is to fight one that Is.

DJ isn't like other Vinsmokes special abilities, Oda n Manga both clarified Sanji isn't genetically enhanced. So Judge can't be aware of Sanji DJ to accommodate Suit accordingly. Even if let's say he did i can't imagine how you are imagining a tech suit to enhance Sanji DJ fire:unsure:
I can understand th3 part that it won't get burned n stuff bt Sanji df results because of Sanji emotions or like pre ts resistance when he revolves.

I just read those panels again, he hits Pageone thrice, once with base kicks n twice with RS. In all three the kicks has substantial effect on Page one, first one the base kick(without RS) sends Pageone to the ground with white eyes. 2nd n 3rd time with RS, Pageone cries can also be heard bt then again he also used moved in good distance these times and speed also enhanced the kick.
Hurting and delivering Deadly blows are different thing. Not to mention Queen would have lot better durability, and better Haki.

 

[Geo]

DJ isn't like other Vinsmokes special abilities, Oda n Manga both clarified Sanji isn't genetically enhanced. So Judge can't be aware of Sanji DJ to accommodate Suit accordingly. Even if let's say he did i can't imagine how you are imagining a tech suit to enhance Sanji DJ fire:unsure:
I can understand th3 part that it won't get burned n stuff bt Sanji df results because of Sanji emotions or like pre ts resistance when he revolves.

I just read those panels again, he hits Pageone thrice, once with base kicks n twice with RS. In all three the kicks has substantial effect on Page one, first one the base kick(without RS) sends Pageone to the ground with white eyes. 2nd n 3rd time with RS, Pageone cries can also be heard bt then again he also used moved in good distance these times and speed also enhanced the kick.
Hurting and delivering Deadly blows are different thing. Not to mention Queen would have lot better durability, and better Haki.

Understandable.

I don't really know how ..was just assuming that it might boost his ability

Actually if u check again, the first kick did nothing to P1. The ones with RS are the ones which caused him screaming in pain. Even looking at the impact drawing, you can tell the difference between base kicks with RS and base kick without

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I get the color comparison. But don't get the need off. He needs to improve armament and obvs haki and durability to match up future enemies.

I think it’d be necessary for Sanji to possess some means to hurt Kaidou or BM if he’d be facing off against them in a tag team at some point in this arc as it'd be meaningless to participate in a tag team against those two without having the means to hurt them.

I've always thought Sanji would develop black flames at some point in the future as it'd be sensible upgrade for his flame abilities and with Oda introducing Enma (a sword that can hurt Kaidou) into the story, and having Zoro acquire it, even though Luffy has already acquired the means to hurt Kaidou. I'm starting to think that we might see him develop black flames as early as Wano. Imo, with Zoro acquiring Enma, it's almost a certainty that he'd be participating in the fight against Kaidou with Luffy. I personally don't think there's any significance per say in Zoro facing off against Kaido (no offense to those who think otherwise), so I can only think Oda is setting up a tag team of folks that hurt Kaidou. Ordinarily you’d think it’d be Luffy & Law that face off against Kaidou but given Zoro will most likely participating in that fight we could potentially see Sanji as well or even the SHs participating in the fight against Kaidou kinda like how they did against Zephyr (in the case of the M3), Oars or the Pacifists pre-TS (In the case of the whole crew) ^^.

First you need to learn haki in order to blacken anything

Sanji can use armament no? and although I see the point you're making about armament, I don't think it's a necessity for Sanji to acquire black flames given Sanji can generate flames at will & is also genetically modified to possess special abilities.

NO

Cool Story Bro 👍🏿

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Understandable.

I don't really know how ..was just assuming that it might boost his ability

Actually if u check again, the first kick did nothing to P1. The ones with RS are the ones which caused him screaming in pain. Even looking at the impact drawing, you can tell the difference between base kicks with RS and base kick without

I think the major theories are focused arround DJ being able to somehow:unsure: protect Sanji legs so he could go further with DJ, bt don't really understand those either.

First kick didn't do anything major bt it sent Pageone to the ground, he had his tongue out and eyes white. Obviously 2nd n 3rd kick also did that, fuethermore also caused Pageone screaming in Pain, bt like i said Sanji also covered good distance in Both so Speed was also a factor behind enhancing the kick.

 

[Geo]

I think the major theories are focused arround DJ being able to somehow:unsure: protect Sanji legs so he could go further with DJ, bt don't really understand those either.

First kick didn't do anything major bt it sent Pageone to the ground, he had his tongue out and eyes white. Obviously 2nd n 3rd kick also did that, fuethermore also caused Pageone screaming in Pain, bt like i said Sanji also covered good distance in Both so Speed was also a factor behind enhancing the kick.

We won't know until he uses it with the RS

Well P1 was eating when he got kicked the first time that's why his tongue was out.

All 3 attacks were with speed though even the first one. With RS boosters and increased durability, it is quite obvious and logical that his attacks got stronger (impact drawings indicate as much).

 

[Albino 👑]

Ok first things first
Fuck the rs

When it comes to potential new techniques and power ups for sanji

• Imo itd be extremely badass and fitting for him to master roshiki
• I would also love to see him show off technically inspired by what he learned during kamabaka(?) island
• Also more showing off of the food cuisine arts and how that can help sanji improve
• Mastering coo, improving coa, and maybe just maybe gaining coc

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

We won't know until he uses it with the RS

Well P1 was eating when he got kicked the first time that's why his tongue was out.

All 3 attacks were with speed though even the first one. With RS boosters and increased durability, it is quite obvious and logical that his attacks got stronger (impact drawings indicate as much).

Yeah, i doubt RS would have much impact on DJ bt rather Hardening.

Nah just compare the distance he covering, man. First attack we have a panel of Sanji just being above Pageone before hitting him, while in 2nd n 3rd he is so far that literally only a point is visible.

Obviously the more momentum he has, stronger the hits.

 

[pedxi]

invisible flames (blue flame) is more fitting IMO

 

[Geo]

Yeah, i doubt RS would have much impact on DJ bt rather Hardening.

Nah just compare the distance he covering, man. First attack we have a panel of Sanji just being above Pageone before hitting him, while in 2nd n 3rd he is so far that literally only a point is visible.

Obviously the more momentum he has, stronger the hits.

2nd attack he was right Infront of P1... He was just invisible. It was the third hit that he was in the sky.
That regardless it is the RS which gives him the momentum and speed boost so my main point is still supported

 

[Chrono]

I fucking hope so cause the RS needs to go. I cannot respect Sanji if he's using the trash suit. He needs confidence in his own strength wearing that shit means he knows he isnt strong enough. Proving his family's point of him being a weak failure. What the hell would Zeff think.

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Anyways I know this is nothing more than an arc thing. Like Sogeking was. This shit wont stay perhaps he may keep the invisbility tech tho. But everything else will go.