Future Events Will the afterlife ever be an important thing?

Will the afterlife be brought up again and discussed more or important?


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#21
Brook already confirmed there is afterlife tho...
No need to use the same ability again, he can detach his soul and find a way to the afterlife.
All he has to do is guide Zoro's soul back to the land of the living.
This guiding someone soul back to living realm.
That's the power Brook Devil fruit had not him.

That's why even to the fruit only fridt Death is allowed not the second one. Broom himself shouldn't be able to return if he goes there.

The fact he can't swim proves he is still a DF user and the DF will pass to someone else if Brook even tries to pull something which close His DF power. But there's only one use allowed.
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@nik87 best connection i can make to your theory is. ZORO going close to death but not dying.
Afterlife Plot doesn't stick well with one piece Universe.
 
#22
This guiding someone soul back to living realm.
That's the power Brook Devil fruit had not him.

That's why even to the fruit only fridt Death is allowed not the second one. Broom himself shouldn't be able to return if he goes there.

The fact he can't swim proves he is still a DF user and the DF will pass to someone else if Brook even tries to pull something which close His DF power. But there's only one use allowed.
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@nik87 best connection i can make to your theory is. ZORO going close to death but not dying.
Afterlife Plot doesn't stick well with one piece Universe.
Nothing new for him
His Intro was him Almost starving to death
 

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#27
This guiding someone soul back to living realm.
That's the power Brook Devil fruit had not him.

That's why even to the fruit only fridt Death is allowed not the second one. Broom himself shouldn't be able to return if he goes there.

The fact he can't swim proves he is still a DF user and the DF will pass to someone else if Brook even tries to pull something which close His DF power. But there's only one use allowed.
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@nik87 best connection i can make to your theory is. ZORO going close to death but not dying.
Afterlife Plot doesn't stick well with one piece Universe.
We will see.
I made plenty of theories.
Now I sit back and cross things off my bingo card.
:zosmug:
 
#28
Well you know,

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Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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The wages of sin is death, if the biblical parallels are to be followed yeah Zoro is probably going to meet death again but I don't think him calling himself what he did will be seen as a good thing, pride comes before the fall
 
#31
Roronoa Zoro in One Piece has a thematic connection to death and the afterlife, particularly through his sword Enma and his encounters with a Grim Reaper-like figure. While not explicitly stated that Zoro is "connected" to death in a literal sense, theories suggest a symbolic relationship, with the possibility of him overcoming death or becoming a "King of the Dead" through his connection to Enma, which is named after the Japanese god of the afterlife.

Connections to Death and Afterlife in One Piece:
  • Enma and the "King of the Dead"
    Zoro's sword, Enma, is named after the God of the Afterlife in Japanese mythology. Zoro himself makes a comment about being willing to become the "king of the dead" if it helps him become the world's strongest swordsman. This has led to theories that Zoro's journey might involve a symbolic triumph over death, possibly even gaining a new epithet like "Zoro, King of the Dead".

  • The Grim Reaper Encounter
    During his battle with King, Zoro encounters a figure that strongly resembles the Grim Reaper. This encounter has been interpreted in several ways:
    • Hallucination from Near-Death Experiences (NDE): Some speculate this was a hallucination caused by the extreme strain on his body and Haki, or possibly from the drug-like effects of Chopper's medicine.

    • Manifestation of Enma: Another theory suggests the Grim Reaper is a manifestation of the spirit of Enma, testing Zoro and potentially claiming his life if he doesn't live up to the sword's immense power.
  • Zoro's Resilience and Death Themes
    Zoro's ability to endure incredible damage and keep fighting, even after near-fatal injuries, has always had a strong association with defying death. His victory over King, and the subsequent appearance of the Grim Reaper, could be seen as a symbolic representation of Zoro's repeated triumphs over death.

  • Brook's Connection
    The presence of Brook, a character who is literally a living skeleton and has connections to the afterlife, could also be relevant to understanding Zoro's potential future in relation to death.

@Cruxroux @moreha9685 Zoro is connected to both :BigW:
 
#32
  • The Grim Reaper Encounter
    During his battle with King, Zoro encounters a figure that strongly resembles the Grim Reaper. This encounter has been interpreted in several ways:
    • Hallucination from Near-Death Experiences (NDE): Some speculate this was a hallucination caused by the extreme strain on his body and Haki, or possibly from the drug-like effects of Chopper's medicine.

    • Manifestation of Enma: Another theory suggests the Grim Reaper is a manifestation of the spirit of Enma, testing Zoro and potentially claiming his life if he doesn't live up to the sword's immense power.
  • Zoro's Resilience and Death Themes
    Zoro's ability to endure incredible damage and keep fighting, even after near-fatal injuries, has always had a strong association with defying death. His victory over King, and the subsequent appearance of the Grim Reaper, could be seen as a symbolic representation of Zoro's repeated triumphs over death
This is death related.

Enma and the "King of the Dead"
Zoro's sword, Enma, is named after the God of the Afterlife in Japanese mythology. Zoro himself makes a comment about being willing to become the "king of the dead" if it helps him become the world's strongest swordsman. This has led to theories that Zoro's journey might involve a symbolic triumph over death, possibly even gaining a new epithet like "Zoro, King of the Dead".
Zoro is doing nothing what enma , king of hell would be doing which is judge soul in past life.

Thank for proving my point.
 
#34
Roronoa Zoro in One Piece has a thematic connection to death and the afterlife, particularly through his sword Enma and his encounters with a Grim Reaper-like figure. While not explicitly stated that Zoro is "connected" to death in a literal sense, theories suggest a symbolic relationship, with the possibility of him overcoming death or becoming a "King of the Dead" through his connection to Enma, which is named after the Japanese god of the afterlife.

Connections to Death and Afterlife in One Piece:
  • Enma and the "King of the Dead"
    Zoro's sword, Enma, is named after the God of the Afterlife in Japanese mythology. Zoro himself makes a comment about being willing to become the "king of the dead" if it helps him become the world's strongest swordsman. This has led to theories that Zoro's journey might involve a symbolic triumph over death, possibly even gaining a new epithet like "Zoro, King of the Dead".

  • The Grim Reaper Encounter
    During his battle with King, Zoro encounters a figure that strongly resembles the Grim Reaper. This encounter has been interpreted in several ways:
    • Hallucination from Near-Death Experiences (NDE): Some speculate this was a hallucination caused by the extreme strain on his body and Haki, or possibly from the drug-like effects of Chopper's medicine.

    • Manifestation of Enma: Another theory suggests the Grim Reaper is a manifestation of the spirit of Enma, testing Zoro and potentially claiming his life if he doesn't live up to the sword's immense power.
  • Zoro's Resilience and Death Themes
    Zoro's ability to endure incredible damage and keep fighting, even after near-fatal injuries, has always had a strong association with defying death. His victory over King, and the subsequent appearance of the Grim Reaper, could be seen as a symbolic representation of Zoro's repeated triumphs over death.

  • Brook's Connection
    The presence of Brook, a character who is literally a living skeleton and has connections to the afterlife, could also be relevant to understanding Zoro's potential future in relation to death.

@Cruxroux @moreha9685 Zoro is connected to both :BigW:
Heavens too

:kata:
 
#35
Probably...but maybe not in the way most expect?

In a way, the "afterlife" is already a part of the story. More in the form of "reincarnation" than in a place your soul goes after death. "Souls", at least, are playing a big part in the story. With Brook's Soul King powers, and Vegapunk's multiple bodies, and Kuma's Buccanneer powers letting him still move around after "death".

And a part of me is still wondering if Luffy has reincarnated multiple times already. Thus making the prototypes Romance Dawn versions 1 and 2 both canon to the main story. Oda has been slowly more and more of his old stories from Wanted canon. With Ryuma being canon for a long time now. And Gill Bastar recently being confirmed as part of the Rocks Pirates. It wouldn't surprise me if Oda used "reincarnation" to make Romance Dawn v1 and v2 both canon.

I do wonder if One Piece will end up having a more "science fiction" style afterlife, though. As opposed to a "mystical" afterlife. Brook has said that his soul "returned from the Underworld" (Chapter 443). But, that's a part of his Devil Fruit power. And, if we assume that Devil Fruits are actually a form of Ancient Advanced Technology like some speculate, that could mean the "Underworld" is some Ancient Advanced piece of technology, too. More of a advanced database or supercomputer that stores the data of everyone's memories and genetics, and allows them to be reborn anew in new bodies. Or something along those lines.

And we have seen hints that One Piece is eventually going to go more "sci-fi" in the future. All the references to space and other planets, like the Gorosei's names. Enel on the Moon. Vegapunk being able to replicate most of the Ancient Technology, including most Devil Fruit powers. All of this seems to be hinting that most everything we've seen is actually the result of Ancient Technology, not magic. Which would likely also include a "Underworld". The Underworld is real and they made it of iron and silicon!

Brook also might have been talking literally. Because we do have plenty of hints that the "Underworld" is a literal, physical location. It's likely the hollowed-out center of the planet, where the First World was mining the Forbidden Sun from the Chapter 1138 Mural. Removing the Forbidden Sun likely turned the center of the planet into a frozen wasteland, as hinted by Brook and V Nusjuro's icy "underworld" powers.

So, eventually, I suspect that the Strawhats are going to have to make a journey into the center of the planet, in order to visit this "Underworld". And likely they're going to have to do something to end the endless cycle of reincarnation. Like a literal version of the goal of Buddhism. Which would put us in opposition to Blackbeard, who seems to want "Dreams to never die". Luffy and Joyboy's side wants things to "grow", and Blackbeard and Rocks' side wants "consistency". One's a spiral, the other is a circle. Similar, but different.

Zoro's role, as the "King of Hell", would probably be to defeat the "Grim Reaper". AKA a holographic AI program designed to keep this Ancient Technology running forever. Or something like that. Think of it kind of like various versions of Lim from the One Piece Odyssey video game. Zoro has to cut something uncuttable, and conquer "death". Which feels more or less fitting.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Lim

I'll admit this is all...a weird scenario. But, I could see things eventually making this turn. The "afterlife" is likely real. But, like with most things in One Piece, it's probably also going to turn out to be some form of Ancient Technology run amok. That's my personal bet, anyway.
 
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#36
Probably...but maybe not in the way most expect?

In a way, the "afterlife" is already a part of the story. More in the form of "reincarnation" than in a place your soul goes after death. "Souls", at least, are playing a big part in the story. With Brook's Soul King powers, and Vegapunk's multiple bodies, and Kuma's Buccanneer powers letting him still move around after "death".

And a part of me is still wondering if Luffy has reincarnated multiple times already. Thus making the prototypes Romance Dawn versions 1 and 2 both canon to the main story. Oda has been slowly more and more of his old stories from Wanted canon. With Ryuma being canon for a long time now. And Gill Bastar recently being confirmed as part of the Rocks Pirates. It wouldn't surprise me if Oda used "reincarnation" to make Romance Dawn v1 and v2 both canon.

I do wonder if One Piece will end up having a more "science fiction" style afterlife, though. As opposed to a "mystical" afterlife. Brook has said that his soul "returned from the Underworld" (Chapter 443). But, that's a part of his Devil Fruit power. And, if we assume that Devil Fruits are actually a form of Ancient Advanced Technology like some speculate, that could mean the "Underworld" is some Ancient Advanced piece of technology, too. More of a advanced database or supercomputer that stores the data of everyone's memories and genetics, and allows them to be reborn anew in new bodies. Or something along those lines.

And we have seen hints that One Piece is eventually going to go more "sci-fi" in the future. All the references to space and other planets, like the Gorosei's names. Enel on the Moon. Vegapunk being able to replicate most of the Ancient Technology, including most Devil Fruit powers. All of this seems to be hinting that most everything we've seen is actually the result of Ancient Technology, not magic. Which would likely also include a "Underworld". The Underworld is real and they made it of iron and silicon!

Brook also might have been talking literally. Because we do have plenty of hints that the "Underworld" is a literal, physical location. It's likely the hollowed-out center of the planet, where the First World was mining the Forbidden Sun from the Chapter 1138 Mural. Removing the Forbidden Sun likely turned the center of the planet into a frozen wasteland, as hinted by Brook and V Nusjuro's icy "underworld" powers.

So, eventually, I suspect that the Strawhats are going to have to make a journey into the center of the planet, in order to visit this "Underworld". And likely they're going to have to do something to end the endless cycle of reincarnation. Like a literal version of the goal of Buddhism. Which would put us in opposition to Blackbeard, who seems to want "Dreams to never die". Luffy and Joyboy's side wants things to "grow", and Blackbeard and Rocks' side wants "consistency". One's a spiral, the other is a circle. Similar, but different.

Zoro's role, as the "King of Hell", would probably be to defeat the "Grim Reaper". AKA a holographic AI program designed to keep this Ancient Technology running forever. Or something like that. Think of it kind of like various versions of Lim from the One Piece Odyssey video game. Zoro has to cut something uncuttable, and conquer "death". Which feels more or less fitting.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Lim

I'll admit this is all...a weird scenario. But, I could see things eventually making this turn. The "afterlife" is likely real. But, like with most things in One Piece, it's probably also going to turn out to be some form of Ancient Technology run amok. That's my personal bet, anyway.
For me the thing with the fruit and his soul confirmed fruits aren't technology
 
#37
Personally, I'd say Vegapunk being able to replicate many Devil Fruits says that they probably are technology. Most of the post-timeskip was even showing us the "assembly line" for how SMILES, and thus Devil Fruits, are "built". It's just that the First World was able to unravel the advanced technology required to create and replicate and "store" souls. Technology too advanced for Vegapunk to figure out right now. Especially since this seems to tie in somehow to the Buccaneer's innate powers. Vegapunk is still trying to wrap his mind around what the nature of life and the soul is.

...Which is a little frightening to think about. If you think AI is bad right now, just imagine what giant corporations could do if they could literally manipulate souls. Even make artificial souls (potentially as the origin of the "Gods"). No wonder their society fell apart.

Devil Fruits were likely created during the Second World. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the soul-manipulation started out during the First World. When the "Gods" first started showing up. It's just that Devil Fruits "stabilized" the process and made it more repeatable and controllable. Maybe? I'll admit, I'm jumping to a lot of conclusions, here.
 
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