Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

[Kōri no kokyū]

If I were you then I would ready myself with the chance that sanji can get coc. Zoro will always be stronger than sanji so its not really an issue for him.

Well another disappointment from the series then lol.
Sanji has potential to be top tier Without CoC , we have characters to be top tier without CoC.
And CoC doesn't even fit him.

 

[Dragon777]

Gaban doesn't have much options to go with if he only has Axe. Haki is the only way out.

Sanji doesn't have alternatives.

It's not that this isn't logical, but Oda Is very schematic.

 

[DonWick]

Its becoming more common though. Most top tiers outside of admirals have it. And akainu may end up having it also.

I’d say Akainu and Garp were or will be at the top of the verse

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

I'm not saying Sanji is guaranteed to awaken CoC. We don't even know if Gaban has it

Its more or less confirmed only ,
He uses Axe , so Haki is the only way out to be standing with Roger and ray.

All I'm saying is you're clearly denying that haki is a big part of Sanji's growth as a fighter as well

Yes I'm.

But think yourself.
Luffy and Zoro were both trained by Mihawk and Rayleigh , Specifically in Haki only.

Whereas Sanji never has a Dedicated teacher for CoA , Yet he tapped into it. Very good tbh.

But his Haki never Grew since then. We barely got CoA Feat from Sanji since then.

Exoskeleton was more or less a CoA alternative Upgrade.

What I'm saying is , Oda is taking different route with Sanji unlike the usual AdCoC path which Luffy and Zoro were Limited to.

 

[DonWick]

100th thread of don wick downplaying sanji

How is this downplay? Because I don’t think he will be Yonko level

 

[Sir Yasheen]

How is this downplay? Because I don’t think he will be Yonko level

Yeah that’s downplay at this point.

 

[Welkin]

Its more or less confirmed only ,
He uses Axe , so Haki is the only way out to be standing with Roger and ray.

Yes I'm.

But think yourself.
Luffy and Zoro were both trained by Mihawk and Rayleigh , Specifically in Haki only.

Whereas Sanji never has a Dedicated teacher for CoA , Yet he tapped into it. Very good tbh.

But his Haki never Grew since then. We barely got CoA Feat from Sanji since then.

Exoskeleton was more or less a CoA alternative Upgrade.

What I'm saying is , Oda is taking different route with Sanji unlike the usual AdCoC path which Luffy and Zoro were Limited to.

I see where you're coming from

Here's what I'm trying to explain though. As far as we know there aren't any other genetic upgrades that Sanji can tap into

But most of us acknowledge that he (obviously) hasn't hit his ceiling, right? So where does he go from here?

The only way for Sanji to improve is through haki. Stronger haki = stronger body = hotter flames

If not haki then what?

 

[DonWick]

Yeah that’s downplay at this point.

You realize I don’t put Scopper on that level either right? All Sanji has to do is show me feats that put him on that level and I’ll do it. If the feats are questionable I’m going to question them.

 

[soupongo]

Nooooo my dbz hakirinos!!!!!
I will never buy anymore one piece toys again.im fucking sick of this

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You realize I don’t put Scopper on that level either right? All Sanji has to do is show me feats that put him on that level and I’ll do it. If the feats are questionable I’m going to question them.

The feats are legitimate. With one hakiless attack old Gaban made Zoro and Yonko Luffy decide to go all out against him 2v1.

And canonically above Oden as he and Rayleigh were state to be specifically powerful among the Roger Pirates.

 

[DonWick]

The feats are legitimate. With one hakiless attack old Gaban made Zoro and Yonko Luffy decide to go all out against him 2v1.

And canonically above Oden as he and Rayleigh were state to be specifically powerful among the Roger Pirates.

One those are Scoppers feats not Sanjis. I don’t reward one character based on what another one does when it comes to battle.

Two Luffy wasn’t trying to fight him he just wanted to steal the key.

Just because he’s strong amongst the Roger pirates doesn’t make him Yonko level.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

One those are Scoppers feats not Sanjis. I don’t reward one character based on what another one does when it comes to battle.

Two Luffy wasn’t trying to fight him he just wanted to steal the key.

Just because he’s strong amongst the Roger pirates doesn’t make him Yonko level.

Yeah Scopper is literally Sanjis EOS Floor?

Two, Luffy going G5, unleashing a wave of CoC, then asking Zoros help, was definitely Luffy trying to fight this random old man he didn’t even know lmao

And seeing how that puts Gaban > Oden who was also yonko level… yes it does lmao

 

[DonWick]

Yeah Scopper is literally Sanjis EOS Floor?

Two, Luffy going G5, unleashing a wave of CoC, then asking Zoros help, was definitely Luffy trying to fight this random old man he didn’t even know lmao

And seeing how that puts Gaban > Oden who was also yonko level… yes it does lmao

I don’t have Oden at Yonko level either. He fought a weaker Kaido.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don’t have Oden at Yonko level either. He fought a weaker Kaido.

Kaido was already about at his peak back then. There was no mention of him getting stronger, so I don’t see the point of assuming it.

 

[DonWick]

Kaido was already about at his peak back then. There was no mention of him getting stronger, so I don’t see the point of assuming it.

Did we see him using any of his top tier attacks? ACoC? Flame Dragon Drum?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Did we see him using any of his top tier attacks? ACoC? Flame Dragon Drum?

The fight was entirely offscreen? Regardless if he grew stronger it would’ve been stated.

 

[Chiji_]

I don’t think it really matters if he gets it or not because where he will place at the end of the story is unavoidable, being the next Scopper is very meaningful, being at the shoulder of the inevitable strongest pirate ever is insane hype for him. I would prefer if he got unique Germa stuff to ascend him further but Oda really seems to be making a point about conquerors and a character could awaken it any time.

 

[soheilhazrat]

How is this downplay? Because I don’t think he will be Yonko level

Like are we deadass after seeing gaban?

 

[Dragon777]

Kaido didn't have his title and wasn't even an Emperor (he Is a mid gen like Shanks). So, I think he became stronger since then.

 

[Kōri no kokyū]

Kaido didn't have hia title and wasn't even an Emperor (he Is a mid gen like Shanks). So, I think he became stronger since then.

On the basis of?

There's no recorded battle.

All there has been is suicide attempts lol.

If the gap was that big , he wouldn't have placed Oden in that league.

Taking over Wano probably solidified his Yonkou claim. Strength wise I have no reason to believe he has grown much