Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

Will non top tier characters having ACoC devalue it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 26 49.1%

  • Total voters
    53
#82
Those two things (not being an Emperor + not having the title), both lack of statements in the manga and explicit statements extra manga.

About him being a middle gen we have a statement extra manga too.


If the gap was that big , he wouldn't have placed Oden in that league.

Taking over Wano probably solidified his Yonkou claim. Strength wise I have no reason to believe he has grown much
It's not incredible, but suitably big.

He was waiting for Joy Boy for a reason imho.
 
#83
Those two things (not being an Emperor + not having the title), both lack of statements in the manga and explicit statements extra manga.

About him being a middle gen we have a statement extra manga too.
Make it make sense. Nothing relevant happened between those years involving Kaidou , how did that cement kaidou as the strongest?


It's not incredible, but suitably big.

He was waiting for Joy Boy for a reason imho.
Joy boy is a plot device created for luffy , Shanks , Mihawk are well capable of taking kaidou on 1v1 and probably even win.
So only " Joyboy " can beat me is dumb logic.

Rather he was depressed , Confirmed in manga and looked for ways to die or wage the biggest war.

There's no phenomenal gap between Kaidou that fought Oden vs Kaidou that fought luffy.

Tbh , I consider Kaidou almost nearing his Past prime age at the age of 59.
 
#85
Sanji is weak?
and he was set to get CoC haki from the beginning. Zoro and Sanji are Rayleigh and Gaban of this generation.
just Oda confirmed Zoro earlier because Rayleigh was already confirmed. now with Gaban's appearance Sanji will be officially get his confirmation as well.
 
#86
The moment fodders like Chinjao, Doffy, Katakuri got CoC it no longer mattered.

They don't even have strong wills.

-Chinjao gave up for 30 years cause of 1 beating.
- Doffy remained on his 1 island for 15 years, not even a real Pirate King contender
-Katakuri for 50 years was his mom's bitch. Not once disobeying her, says he wants to protect his family yet never taking them to flee. He is a coward. He basically needed someone else to come beat BigMom for him.
 
#87
Make it make sense. Nothing relevant happened between those years involving Kaidou , how did that cement kaidou as the strongest?
Kaido's title was very...dubious to begin with. Mihawk, Shanks or Akainu all had a far better claim for different reasons.

Having said that, until Erbaf we didn't know what even Shanks had done since Foosha to grow stronger and became an Emperor. Now we know at least he fought Loki. Kaido might have done something similar, we don't know.

If fact, and I am serious, we only know against whom Kaido had lost during the years.


Joy boy is a plot device created for luffy , Shanks , Mihawk are well capable of taking kaidou on 1v1 and probably even win.
So only " Joyboy " can beat me is dumb logic.

Rather he was depressed , Confirmed in manga and looked for ways to die or wage the biggest war.

There's no phenomenal gap between Kaidou that fought Oden vs Kaidou that fought luffy.

Tbh , I consider Kaidou almost nearing his Past prime age at the age of 59.
Kind of, I agree, but the point is an "Oden" wouldn't have been enough to beat him. To give him a great fight yes, but not to beat him.
 
#88
The moment fodders like Chinjao, Doffy, Katakuri got CoC it no longer mattered.

They don't even have strong wills.

-Chinjao gave up for 30 years cause of 1 beating.
- Doffy remained on his 1 island for 15 years, not even a real Pirate King contender
-Katakuri for 50 years was his mom's bitch. Not once disobeying her, says he wants to protect his family yet never taking them to flee. He is a coward. He basically needed someone else to come beat BigMom for him.
You’re right about Chinjao
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No DonLick Sanji getting Adv CoC does not devalue Adv CoC.:AlexChills:

The only people that actually believe that are dumb Zoro tards like yourself.:seriously:
Zorotard is crazy.
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No DonLick Sanji getting Adv CoC does not devalue Adv CoC.:AlexChills:

The only people that actually believe that are dumb Zoro tards like yourself.:seriously:
Just watch the moment Sanji gets it or if he does, the fandom will no longer consider it special. Either that or his shit will just be weak.
 
#89
The moment fodders like Chinjao, Doffy, Katakuri got CoC it no longer mattered.

They don't even have strong wills.

-Chinjao gave up for 30 years cause of 1 beating.
- Doffy remained on his 1 island for 15 years, not even a real Pirate King contender
-Katakuri for 50 years was his mom's bitch. Not once disobeying her, says he wants to protect his family yet never taking them to flee. He is a coward. He basically needed someone else to come beat BigMom for him.
And anyway, since they are 1 in a million, this is ok. They are even less than they should.

The problem was the over the top narrative at MF, but we know Oda.
 
#90
It’s more of a cumulative Super Saiyan slide that started really when Chinjao got the basic version. What was rare became a thing that a mid arc minor villain/ally had. So we get a special version that only the likes of Roger and Kaido have! Nah, just joking, it’s pretty common as well.

If second rung subordinate characters like Sanji and Gaban start getting it, and it’s necessary to fight third rung subordinates like the holy knights, then it starts becoming more likely that ACoC isn’t actually the best form of CoC. Then ACoC gets handed out like sweeties and we get into daft Ultra ACoC territory as Oda will need to give Luffy and heavily Luffy adjacent characters new powers to keep them special.

Joyboy’s Haki rope may well already be a step above ACoC.
 
#99
What is magic sword?
It was legit trying to kill Zoro.
What Mythical Zoan? Which luffy himself awakened at death door.

Vs

Wear a suit , and genes awakens.

What sort of comedy is this?

Either way you didn't get my point.
There is no proof that wearing the suit awakened Sanjis exoskeleton and unlike his brother who awakened their genes by cheating Sanji became a superhuman while he was a normal human.

Zoros sword wasn't trying to kill him, it was just that the haki required to use Enma was more then Zoro can use without risking his life.
 
Oda wont give them coc

These 3 trios have some in common
Ace sabo luffy - 2 coc users 1 without
Kidd law goofy - again 2 and 1
Zoro sanji goofy- 2 and 1
Yes, that’s why Waban having it would mean all do.

If Waban has it all trio members will. So we’ll see how Oda explains the stopping regen stuff
 
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