Powers & Abilities Will weaker characters like Sanji unlocking ACoC devalue ACoC?

Will non top tier characters having ACoC devalue it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 27 50.9%
  • No

    Votes: 26 49.1%

  • Total voters
    53
Lmao.
- slicing Pica , Specifically been told It was due to temporary black blades. (Mihawk flashback)
- Pushing back Fujitora with just Sword slash
- One shotted Killer
- One shotted Apoo
- Cut kaidou without AdCoC

As a swordsman , Ryou concept was with him since pre time skip , Mr.1 battle.

He has more Haki feats than admirals lmao
I have to point out that three of these were in Wano, while I talked about pre-Wano showings.

The other two are good, and are half haki and half swordsmanship. In Pica's case in particular Zoro was satisfied that his blades weren't damaged.

So, damaging Pica for example: I hope no one believes that present Sanji cannot do the same now (obv. he cannot cut Pica, but can destroy large part la of him).
 
The other two are good, and are half haki and half swordsmanship. In Pica's case in particular Zoro was satisfied that his blades weren't damaged.
What do you mean half haki and half swordsmanship lol.
They go hand in hand.

Your Haki needs to be stronger than mine to cut me. And apparently Pica is the only one we have seen Full bodied in Armanent apart from Vergo.

Only one major arc was there for Zoro post time skip. Which is dressrosa.

Remove WCI and you won't find any of the luffy Haki feats either apart from dressrosa like Zoro.

Rest were haki only used , not flexed that could be taken into consideration for feat.


So, damaging Pica for example: I hope no one believes that present Sanji cannot do the same now (obv. he cannot cut Pica, but can destroy large part la of him).
He cN for sure.

But that's not how you beat him.
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how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
I never do.
My diet is called poverty.
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But EOS Sanji would literally be one of the strongest of the current era.
When you realize what I consider top tier you’ll understand why I don’t rank Sanji highly. When I talk about the strongest I’m talking about the absolute top tier. Not Low or Mid Top Tier.

I’m thinking about these characters at their peak:

Our definition of the strongest are different. When I think about characters that are strong I’m looking at people that will be able to push a Yonko to high diff and win. It’s only about 10 characters Sanji isn’t one.
 
It's not true and also It's not like Zoro has plenty before Wano.

Also, Oda wouldn't simply give him now. It might very well be his last Power up or second last, depens of FS comes last or not.
I mean his haki was so good he could use enma while kinemon and scabbards wouldnt even dare to touch it even tough they knew ryou
 
What do you mean half haki and half swordsmanship lol.
They go hand in hand.
It mean that I can have Joy Boy's haki, but if I can't use a sword (very well), I cannot ever unleash a flying slash for example.
Something Mihawk said.

Swordsmanship and techinques are a fundamental part of an "attack".
Idk, Luffy trying to do a Daisen Sekai would have the same results as Luffy using a mace.


Your Haki needs to be stronger than mine to cut me. And apparently Pica is the only one we have seen Full bodied in Armanent apart from Vergo.
I was mostly talking about Zoro cutting the giant Pica, but ok.

Even though, as said, techinque has a great role as Mihawk said, even though I think Zoro's haki was stronger anyway.

Remove WCI and you won't find any of the luffy Haki feats either apart from dressrosa like Zoro.

Rest were haki only used , not flexed that could be taken into consideration for feat.
DR too had some haki showings for Luffy. Obv. not that incredible.

He cN for sure.

But that's not how you beat him.
Point is that I don't see why Sanji shouldn't be at least at DR's Zoro level of haki.

Oda has probably various major fights to build up his haki journey, as for Zoro in Wano, until he unlocks CoC.

Not to mention, we are excluding CoO showings, so the phrase I was replaying to in the first place was wrong anyway.
Zoro needed an arc to unlock AdvCoC starting basically from what he did in DR, something that present Sanji should be able to do It.
Sanji has multiple arcs to do the same now, so no problems.
 
I literally made this same argument about us devaluing top tiers by having “low top tiers” this isn’t about just Sanji it’s about weaker characters like Sanji. I don’t like that Yamato has it either.
So a future top tier like Sanji having it surely wouldn't devalue it since by definition a top tier could never be weak but one of the strongest.
 
He literally does ... so much its ridiculous..
Not really.

Cutting Pica was a very good thing for DR, but nothing that present Sanji cannot do in his own ways. And that's the point.

I mean his haki was so good he could use enma while kinemon and scabbards wouldnt even dare to touch it even tough they knew ryou
Zoro learned to tame Enma. His first attemp sucked his arm dry.

Sure, great haki to begin with, but it's not something that Sanji, in his time, cannot have.

Zoro needed a full arc to go from his DR self to unlock CoC; Sanji has 3 or 4 arcs.
He has the time.
 
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Zoro needed an arc to unlock AdvCoC starting basically from what he did in DR, something that present Sanji should be able to do It.
Sanji has multiple arcs to do the same now, so no problems.
So did luffy , You yourself Said his CoA showing were not that incredible in DR.

WCI was the arc luffy got. Better haki bloom.

Wano - Ryou training
Rooftop - AdCoC.

Zoro - Got dressrosa

Wano - Enma Haki Control (Ryou flow)
King fight AdCoC

And then KoH.
 
Have you ever seen him using Hardening?

He more or less rely on basic Form invisible haki only which liffy and zoro occasionally uses.

His CoO other thing though , better than Zoro for sure.
Sanji wears black so there is a visual problem, but his haki was highlighted and even the VCs said It was "honed".

Obv. we are not talking about Advance levels, but since he did what he did with an Ancient zoan YC2, I would say It Is a pretty good level for an YC. Under YC1, but pretty good.

So did luffy , You yourself Said his CoA showing were not that incredible in DR.

WCI was the arc luffy got. Better haki bloom.

Wano - Ryou training
Rooftop - AdCoC.

Zoro - Got dressrosa

Wano - Enma Haki Control (Ryou flow)
King fight AdCoC

And then KoH.
Yeah, I am not saying Sanji Is ready now.

In fact, I said CoC, assuing he has it, might be his very last power up (against Ju Peter?) or second to last if Oda wants his last to be some advanced form of CoO/FS.

Sanji has at least two or three major fights and an likely even more arcs to go through.
 
When you realize what I consider top tier you’ll understand why I don’t rank Sanji highly. When I talk about the strongest I’m talking about the absolute top tier. Not Low or Mid Top Tier.

I’m thinking about these characters at their peak:

Our definition of the strongest are different. When I think about characters that are strong I’m looking at people that will be able to push a Yonko to high diff and win. It’s only about 10 characters Sanji isn’t one.
EOS Sanji will literally be above that… you just are vastly downplaying him.
 
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