General & Others Will Zoro become the WSS i.e The Swordsmsn who can defeat Every single swordsman on the planet in combat?
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Wait what? So what do you think Zoro wants? Like Do you think Zoro in his head is aiming for
What exactly does Zoro think being WSS means?
Are you saying that Zoro thinks theres some kind of point system corporate ladder of swordsmanship that Zoro just has to climb by following vague rules and Bam, Zoro will become WSS?
for 1000 chapters Zoro proves he’s a stronger swordsman by beating his opponents. When Zoro says “I will be the strongest in the world”, why wouldnt he mean “I will be able to beat every single swordsman alive”?
There’s alot of questions in this reply, just answer the last one
What exactly does Zoro think being WSS means?
Are you saying that Zoro thinks theres some kind of point system corporate ladder of swordsmanship that Zoro just has to climb by following vague rules and Bam, Zoro will become WSS?
for 1000 chapters Zoro proves he’s a stronger swordsman by beating his opponents. When Zoro says “I will be the strongest in the world”, why wouldnt he mean “I will be able to beat every single swordsman alive”?
There’s alot of questions in this reply, just answer the last one
Then yeah, since the point of WSS is to infer that the WSS individual stands above any other S power levels wise, since there's no reason to suggest that WSS is just a title referring to possessor of best swordsmanship, but it indicates who is the best swordsman invidual potency wise.
Unless a bad match up is into play, but not even Mihawk, Shanks, Issho or even Shiryu are bad match ups for Zoro going by ability outputs.
At least to our current knowledge.
Unless a bad match up is into play, but not even Mihawk, Shanks, Issho or even Shiryu are bad match ups for Zoro going by ability outputs.
At least to our current knowledge.
I think this topic is already discussed by many of Zoro fandom. Its fine for Zoro to aim for capability for beating every swordsman alive, but if we look at the standards in real life, stronger swordsman doesn't always mean stronger fighter overall. This is the difference of WSS with WSM or WSC.
WB used a bisento, which can be termed a long-hilted sword according to one type of japanese weapon classification. So if we term WSS by the ability to beat anyone using a sword, WB should be WSM and WSS at the same time. But it doesnt seem to be the case, thats why WSS is narrower than that. Maybe there's some sole dedication to sword, honor, code, badassery, coolness factor, etc.
Tldr, imo EoS Zoro may beat BM or Fuji or EoS Law as a swordman, but BM or Fuji or EoS Law may also beat EoS Zoro if they use all of their ability/power as a fighter, instead of limiting themselves to being a swordsmen.
WB used a bisento, which can be termed a long-hilted sword according to one type of japanese weapon classification. So if we term WSS by the ability to beat anyone using a sword, WB should be WSM and WSS at the same time. But it doesnt seem to be the case, thats why WSS is narrower than that. Maybe there's some sole dedication to sword, honor, code, badassery, coolness factor, etc.
Tldr, imo EoS Zoro may beat BM or Fuji or EoS Law as a swordman, but BM or Fuji or EoS Law may also beat EoS Zoro if they use all of their ability/power as a fighter, instead of limiting themselves to being a swordsmen.
But Zoro has beaten swordsmen who also turn into mountains, and beaten swordsmen who turn into giraffes that can kick the air to make air cuts, he's even beaten vague guys who themselves are made of blades
Why are you assuming that as far as Oda is concerned, Zoro only wants to be stronger than people like Tashigi who only fight with swords. If this was the case, then why should we care when Zoro fights a mountain man swordsman if that has nothing to do with his dream simply because the guy has extra abilities on top of his swordsmanship
You realise that from now to the end of series, Zoro's projected fights are with King, A dinosaur from some weird fire bird race who is a swordsman and Shiryu, an invisible swordsman. Then Zoro fights Mihawk probably. And if you are generous Zoro fights Fujitora along the way.
Notice how once again the argument about "he has extra abilities outside of swordsmanship" sort of makes it seem like Zoro's not going to have a single fight that matters to his dream from now until Mihawk.
Again, the question you should ask yourself is whether Zoro cares that swordsmen can make Biscuit clones or juice people and shoot water cuts or suck out souls. Does Zoro care? He never complained once when he was suddenly put under gravity and sent into a pit. He doesn't say "well damn I can't fight this guy, clearly he has gravity powers". Quite the opposite, later on in the arc he actually tries to fight this guy again with the sole aim of advancing his dream.
Why are you assuming that as far as Oda is concerned, Zoro only wants to be stronger than people like Tashigi who only fight with swords. If this was the case, then why should we care when Zoro fights a mountain man swordsman if that has nothing to do with his dream simply because the guy has extra abilities on top of his swordsmanship
You realise that from now to the end of series, Zoro's projected fights are with King, A dinosaur from some weird fire bird race who is a swordsman and Shiryu, an invisible swordsman. Then Zoro fights Mihawk probably. And if you are generous Zoro fights Fujitora along the way.
Notice how once again the argument about "he has extra abilities outside of swordsmanship" sort of makes it seem like Zoro's not going to have a single fight that matters to his dream from now until Mihawk.
Again, the question you should ask yourself is whether Zoro cares that swordsmen can make Biscuit clones or juice people and shoot water cuts or suck out souls. Does Zoro care? He never complained once when he was suddenly put under gravity and sent into a pit. He doesn't say "well damn I can't fight this guy, clearly he has gravity powers". Quite the opposite, later on in the arc he actually tries to fight this guy again with the sole aim of advancing his dream.
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The ones losing against Zoro in the previous fights just means their extra abilities, if any, weren't enough to win against the swordsman Zoro. Not necessarily because they are weaker swordsmen. Just like in real life. Zoro may not care if the enemies have extra abilities as long as he beats them, but it also means that if Fuji beat Mihawk or EoS Zoro using gravity, Fuji may not be WSS either.
Why do you keep saying “just like in real life” as if theres anything like WSS in real life
Im talking about what Oda intends. Does Oda intend us to say it matters what extra abilties people have?
for example, If Pica BEAT Zoro. If Pica and Zoro fought without Pica using his ahilities and then Zoro pressed him but then Pica activated his golem and Beat Zoro plain and simple and the arc ended.
Are you saying there is a way for Oda to write it that “Zoro achieved his goal of proving hes a better swordsman so he didnt have to actually beat Pica wholesale as long as he can beat him in a regular sword clash”
Are you saying such a situation is possible? That in Oda’s mind, he gives King Shiryu Law Fujitora Cracker Smoothie Big mom ALL these extra abilties while keeping in mind that for some reason were Zoro to fight any of thse people (and he will fight some) that its actually allowed for Zoro to lose as long as he showed some vague superirority in base swprd clashes?
what im asking is will Zoro ever lose to a swordsman inbthe series and then Oda tells us somehow that it doeent matter as long as Zoro could clash when the swordsman decided not to go all out?
Im talking about what Oda intends. Does Oda intend us to say it matters what extra abilties people have?
for example, If Pica BEAT Zoro. If Pica and Zoro fought without Pica using his ahilities and then Zoro pressed him but then Pica activated his golem and Beat Zoro plain and simple and the arc ended.
Are you saying there is a way for Oda to write it that “Zoro achieved his goal of proving hes a better swordsman so he didnt have to actually beat Pica wholesale as long as he can beat him in a regular sword clash”
Are you saying such a situation is possible? That in Oda’s mind, he gives King Shiryu Law Fujitora Cracker Smoothie Big mom ALL these extra abilties while keeping in mind that for some reason were Zoro to fight any of thse people (and he will fight some) that its actually allowed for Zoro to lose as long as he showed some vague superirority in base swprd clashes?
what im asking is will Zoro ever lose to a swordsman inbthe series and then Oda tells us somehow that it doeent matter as long as Zoro could clash when the swordsman decided not to go all out?
When will people learn Oda doesn't care about the titles? Strongest man was fake in marineford, he was so weak that Marco and Jozu needed to save him from several times. It should've been the opposite. Luffy saves the crew from Lucci, but ''WSM'' WB was in no position to save his crew.
Oda would never give a guarantee like that for Luffy's sidekick Zoro, he wouldn’t even give that guarantee for Luffy, who will be stronger than Zoro.
Oda also likes mystery, remember a character like Cracker doesn't even have his real face on his wanted poster, he was hiding his face and his real power. The government said Moria is dead when he was not, they also spread lies about many things. No one can give any guarantee on anything. As Kuma said, no fight is %100 guaranteed, he said no one thought Lucci would lose. Which is also why the Zoro novel states Vista might be the WSS not Mihawk, because there's no guarantee, Mihawk never beat the guy and asked for postponement. One thing is for sure, whoever reaches the Laugh Tale, will get the ultimate prize. People are not randomly running around and saying I am the strongest at this and I am the strongest at that, because its stupid. As Rayleigh said to Kizaru, the life is always full of surprises.
Oda would never give a guarantee like that for Luffy's sidekick Zoro, he wouldn’t even give that guarantee for Luffy, who will be stronger than Zoro.
Oda also likes mystery, remember a character like Cracker doesn't even have his real face on his wanted poster, he was hiding his face and his real power. The government said Moria is dead when he was not, they also spread lies about many things. No one can give any guarantee on anything. As Kuma said, no fight is %100 guaranteed, he said no one thought Lucci would lose. Which is also why the Zoro novel states Vista might be the WSS not Mihawk, because there's no guarantee, Mihawk never beat the guy and asked for postponement. One thing is for sure, whoever reaches the Laugh Tale, will get the ultimate prize. People are not randomly running around and saying I am the strongest at this and I am the strongest at that, because its stupid. As Rayleigh said to Kizaru, the life is always full of surprises.
They are swordsman all the time they dont stop being swordsman
Zoro's trump card is yet unexplained Demon technique
- Mr.1 uses Devil Fruit instead of Sword & yet Zoro called him Swordsman
- Hyouzou is Strongest Swordsman in Fishmen Island & yet he uses Poison
- Ohm had a Dog to help him & his weapon change Form & he used Traps & yet he is a Swordsman
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Zoro's trump card is yet unexplained Demon technique
Wait...we are now questioning if Zoro will really accomplish his dream 
Do you think that by the end of the manga when the reader will ask himself if the strawhat have accomplished their dream, the reader is supposed to think « yes Zoro beat Mihawk but is he really stronger that unknown swordsman in south blue? Who knows... » or « Yes Zoro is the strongest swordsman of the world of One Piece »?
It is basically asking if Luffy will really be the King of the pirates
Do you think that by the end of the manga when the reader will ask himself if the strawhat have accomplished their dream, the reader is supposed to think « yes Zoro beat Mihawk but is he really stronger that unknown swordsman in south blue? Who knows... » or « Yes Zoro is the strongest swordsman of the world of One Piece »?
It is basically asking if Luffy will really be the King of the pirates