General & Others With last chapter, can we say Blackbeard is final villain ?
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If we're going by intellect, Nami would foil Marco AND Ben. As a matter of fact, Nami and Ben were canonically the top three smartest people in the East Blue. Chopper could also parallel Marco because both are doctors.
Where do you get that Rayleigh's a perv like Sanji? Because he womanizes? If we're going by that logic, then Rayleigh has more in common with Brook (both fight with swords and Brook is even worse than Sanji in that department) than Sanji.
Roux would make it 1 of 4 at best? You mean the guy who fought Zoro and whose flashback where he meets Kaido was juxtaposed to Zoro meeting Luffy is the one who parallels Sanji? Not the guy who has history with Germa 66 and starves people, and was Sanji's actual opponent?
That the BB Pirates could be their last major battles. Luffy could still fight Imu right after, and even then, I'm not entirely sure on that.
Where do you get that Rayleigh's a perv like Sanji? Because he womanizes? If we're going by that logic, then Rayleigh has more in common with Brook (both fight with swords and Brook is even worse than Sanji in that department) than Sanji.
Roux would make it 1 of 4 at best? You mean the guy who fought Zoro and whose flashback where he meets Kaido was juxtaposed to Zoro meeting Luffy is the one who parallels Sanji? Not the guy who has history with Germa 66 and starves people, and was Sanji's actual opponent?
That the BB Pirates could be their last major battles. Luffy could still fight Imu right after, and even then, I'm not entirely sure on that.
The WG has been built up as antagonists even longer than Blackbeard. Most of the Strawhats origins are rooted in conflicts caused by the WG…and same goes for most of their allies too! The world itself is in the state that it’s in because of the WG, and that’s rooted in 800 years of history while Blackbeard has only been active in less than 10 years.
The true anticlimax is if the One Piece is found and the true history is learned after the conflict is already resolved. In fact, I’d say it worse than that…just plain silly. It would be like getting the Oden flashback after Kaido was already defeated.
The only way for that to occur is through a godless amount of stupidity. Oda’s writing being on a decline means that there’s no way it doesn’t end terribly if he tried that.
The true anticlimax is if the One Piece is found and the true history is learned after the conflict is already resolved. In fact, I’d say it worse than that…just plain silly. It would be like getting the Oden flashback after Kaido was already defeated.
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The only way for that to occur is through a godless amount of stupidity. Oda’s writing being on a decline means that there’s no way it doesn’t end terribly if he tried that.
Because he isn't.
The Straw Hats, Red-Hairs, and Blackbeard Pirates are meant to mirror each other based on roles. The Straw Hats' mirror with the Roger Pirates ends at Zoro's similarities to Rayleigh, and if you want to count him, Oden being a mixture between Luffy and Zoro.
Also, Marco and Jozu don't mirror Zoro and Sanji. They're not supposed to. Their only similarities are being Whitebeard's wings.
The Straw Hats, Red-Hairs, and Blackbeard Pirates are meant to mirror each other based on roles. The Straw Hats' mirror with the Roger Pirates ends at Zoro's similarities to Rayleigh, and if you want to count him, Oden being a mixture between Luffy and Zoro.
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Also, Marco and Jozu don't mirror Zoro and Sanji. They're not supposed to. Their only similarities are being Whitebeard's wings.
You can't even name anything similar between Sanji and Gaban. You said Roo mirrors Sanji cuz chef, but don't do same with Gaban and Jimbe being helmsman. And ignore the flames and kicks of King and Marco. Not to mention the leadership Sanji displays again like on Zou and again this arc.
And just this arc, Oda setup Sanji vs Kizaru, the same Kizaru that clashed with Rayleigh, Marco, stopped by Beckmann.
And just this arc, Oda setup Sanji vs Kizaru, the same Kizaru that clashed with Rayleigh, Marco, stopped by Beckmann.
Again, because the Roger Pirates don't foil the Straw Hats to the same degree as the Red-Hairs and Blackbeard Pirates do where parallels are a role-by-role basis. Sanji and Gaban are only similar in that they're number threes.
Because they're irrelevant. Marco isn't meant to parallel neither Zoro nor Sanji. Zoro was King's actual opponent.
Egghead is about finished, and you're still stuck on the King VS Sanji agenda.
Sanji's only leader when Luffy and Zoro aren't around.
Sanji isn't getting an Admiral in some proper matchup in a future arc like in Enies Lobby.
Because they're irrelevant. Marco isn't meant to parallel neither Zoro nor Sanji. Zoro was King's actual opponent.
Egghead is about finished, and you're still stuck on the King VS Sanji agenda.
Sanji's only leader when Luffy and Zoro aren't around.
Sanji isn't getting an Admiral in some proper matchup in a future arc like in Enies Lobby.
What is King vs Sanji agenda? I mentioned similarities not that they would fight eachother. Do u also think I am saying Sanji will fight Rayleigh?
Also Sanji is literally instructing the crew, Zoro included, this very arc over the den den mushi. Even Nami just ordered Zoro to put Lilith in a room.
And regardless of a proper future match up, Sanji is still the one who had his moment vs Kizaru like Marco, Beckmann, and Rayleigh did. That has already happened.
Also Sanji is literally instructing the crew, Zoro included, this very arc over the den den mushi. Even Nami just ordered Zoro to put Lilith in a room.
And regardless of a proper future match up, Sanji is still the one who had his moment vs Kizaru like Marco, Beckmann, and Rayleigh did. That has already happened.
You're pushing this Sanji and King parallel based on superficial details like fire and kicking despite Oda pairing King up with Zoro and giving them similar backstories with their captains.
No. I'm just saying Rayleigh isn't the Sanji parallel.
Keyword: den den mushi and when Zoro was busy with Lucci.
Zoro was on a cover with those aforementioned number twos. Forced parallels doesn't mean shit.
No. I'm just saying Rayleigh isn't the Sanji parallel.
Keyword: den den mushi and when Zoro was busy with Lucci.
Zoro was on a cover with those aforementioned number twos. Forced parallels doesn't mean shit.
Sanji is more similar to Rayleigh than Gaban as of now. There's not a single similarity between Sanji and Gaban and Oda could've showed last arc in the wano flashback. I'm not saying Zoro doesn't have Rayleigh parallels.
And leading over den den mushi while the crews apart is still leading. Not to mention Nami just gave him orders last chapter to put Lilith inside in person.
And Oda referred to the coverpage as 2nd strongest of the crews. Once again, Oda refused to say Zoro is Vice Captain, despite having every opportunity to do so.
And this has gone way off topic at this point. The original point was just No one in BBs crew looks to reach Prime Rayleigh level, which has me doubting BBs crew reach Roger's crews level. So they aren't final villain material.
And leading over den den mushi while the crews apart is still leading. Not to mention Nami just gave him orders last chapter to put Lilith inside in person.
And Oda referred to the coverpage as 2nd strongest of the crews. Once again, Oda refused to say Zoro is Vice Captain, despite having every opportunity to do so.
And this has gone way off topic at this point. The original point was just No one in BBs crew looks to reach Prime Rayleigh level, which has me doubting BBs crew reach Roger's crews level. So they aren't final villain material.
That's the thing I'm getting at, having coinicidental similarities doesn't make you a parallel.
Leading when Luffy and Zoro have their hands tied with something.
Nami gives commands to everyone, including the official captain.
Zoro has been cited by OFFICIAL sources as the closest thing to a vice-captain. Not Sanji. Not Nami. ZORO.
No one barring at most Kuzan and Shiryu should be at Prime Rayleigh's level. They should be on the level of the Whitebeard Pirates, and as a matter of fact, they already beaten them in some offscreen battle.
Leading when Luffy and Zoro have their hands tied with something.
Nami gives commands to everyone, including the official captain.
Zoro has been cited by OFFICIAL sources as the closest thing to a vice-captain. Not Sanji. Not Nami. ZORO.
No one barring at most Kuzan and Shiryu should be at Prime Rayleigh's level. They should be on the level of the Whitebeard Pirates, and as a matter of fact, they already beaten them in some offscreen battle.
*unofficial sources* have listed Zoro as vice captain.
Oda himself has never, and even in the 2nd strongest coverpage went out of his way to say Zoro is NOT Vice Captain.
Both Sanji and Nami gave orders to Zoro and the crew, doesn't matter if you like it or not.
And like I said, BBs crew just don't show that potential. Even you only see Shiryu as a stepping stone before Mihawk cause him reaching Prime Rayleigh level is a joke.
Oda himself has never, and even in the 2nd strongest coverpage went out of his way to say Zoro is NOT Vice Captain.
Both Sanji and Nami gave orders to Zoro and the crew, doesn't matter if you like it or not.
And like I said, BBs crew just don't show that potential. Even you only see Shiryu as a stepping stone before Mihawk cause him reaching Prime Rayleigh level is a joke.
Correction: Oda said not everyone on there is vice-captain.
I'm not saying Zoro's the vice-captain, but that position defaults to him when Luffy's not around.
Zoro's has ordered both and has been mistaken for the captain. Even Luffy's fanboy assumed Zoro was the vice-captan.
Your only examples of Sanji leading is when Zoro is either absent or occupied with a fight like Luffy.
They do. Them beating the Whitebeard Pirates (Roger Pirates' biggest rival) is lost on you because you're under the misconception EoS Brook- and Robin-level opponents need to be stronger than Hancock.
How is it a joke when Shiryu and Mihawk have been set as Zoro's opponents in the very final part of One Piece?
I'm not saying Zoro's the vice-captain, but that position defaults to him when Luffy's not around.
Zoro's has ordered both and has been mistaken for the captain. Even Luffy's fanboy assumed Zoro was the vice-captan.
Your only examples of Sanji leading is when Zoro is either absent or occupied with a fight like Luffy.
They do. Them beating the Whitebeard Pirates (Roger Pirates' biggest rival) is lost on you because you're under the misconception EoS Brook- and Robin-level opponents need to be stronger than Hancock.
How is it a joke when Shiryu and Mihawk have been set as Zoro's opponents in the very final part of One Piece?
