Versus Battle WorstGen’s Second Annual (???) Great General’s Tournament: Winner’s Bracket, Round 2

[SakazOuki]

I think you guys really underestimate the level of an Akou tier general.

And this was after he had already been awestruck by Ouhon's gamebreaking tactic using his GG perception.

Akou is multiple tiers above Bum Shi

As for Hakuki’s vassals, one can speculate as they like, but there’s no doubting it that they’re generals who under the command of Hakuki carried a CLEAN service record through decades of warfare. Young Qin trio are great and have power outbursts and all, but losing to 4000 commander Ouhon tactically and martially can only be the work of a bum

 

[God Buggy]

Akou is multiple tiers above Bum Shi

As for Hakuki’s vassals, one can speculate as they like, but there’s no doubting it that they’re generals who under the command of Hakuki carried a CLEAN service record through decades of warfare. Young Qin trio are great and have power outbursts and all, but losing to 4000 commander Ouhon tactically and martially can only be the work of a bum

The only thing I'll say is that, given how in the manga Hakuki would have been constantly involved in fights against the likes of Renpa/RSJ/Chousha (who are all monsters), I would think that this version of him probably has some losses to his name.

Not that I wouldn't give him the edge individually over the other top tiers - I would - but wars often are not just a matter of Great General vs Great General and there can be other pieces that prove decisive in the final outcome. Hakuki can be the better commander and but obviously he can still lose. Imagine he is fighting an extreme diff battle against Renpa, and has the edge, but then Renpa gets outside assistance. Or for that particular battle he had better guys under his command to work with, etc.

Just referring to manga Hakuki in general, not to this thread matchup.

 

[Shanks]

??? Renpa alone stopped both he and Ouki for two years straight.

But originally Renpa also lost a big chunk of land there as well before 2 years stalemate took place. Lol

Spoiler

in reality Hakuki just substituted the main general of that campaign for Qin (Oukotsu) and Renpa lost there a big land as well

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

But originally Renpa also lost a big chunk of land there as well before 2 years stalemate took place. Lol

Not to Hakuki lmfao.

 

[Shanks]

Not to Hakuki lmfao.

Coz when HakuKi arrived, Renpa already got removed. Mighty Renpa lost Zhao's territory to another 6GG and had to rely on river to put stalemate. Lol.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Coz when HakuKi arrived, Renpa already got removed. Mighty Renpa lost Zhao's territory to another 6GG and had to rely on river to put stalemate. Lol.

You are debating history, not the manga lol

This is a manga tournament, not a history tournament. In the manga Renpa alone stopped Ouki and Hakuki simultaneously.

 

[Shanks]

You are debating history, not the manga lol

This is a manga tournament, not a history tournament. In the manga Renpa alone stopped Ouki and Hakuki simultaneously.

You take whatever benefits your agenda but let's leave it as the same Renpa-Manga which states Renpa believes HakuKi is the most difficult opponent to deal with. Lol

Also this tournament includes Shibasaku who is also someone who receives nearly zero info in the series but this is a series which has major plots mostly based on real life events (events but not wholly inside story) so why not use real info too.

Renpa has losing record manga wise against Qin while HakuKi has undefeated record as well which also proves even if there's manga-stalemate, Renpa still doesn't has undefeated record.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Also this tournament includes Shibasaku who is also someone who receives nearly zero info in the series but this is a series which has major plots mostly based on real life events (events but not wholly inside story) so why not use real info too.

We have nothing aside from history on Shibasaku. For Hakuki, we have manga information which differs from history. So it’s only fair to pick manga > history when we actually have manga info lol. We don’t have that for Shibasaku.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

Akou’s abilities may still greatly outstrip Ouhon’s”
^he is just speculating on Akou’s overall level, he has no idea how strong Akou is lol.

He knows cause he's seen what he can do lol? You're acting like Akou was inactive by this point.

He's not gonna just make some baseless statement like that without some hint of credibility.

The trio went through tremendous growth over the course of this mega arc (which RSJ literally foreshadowed occuring). These guys are completely different animals by the time they experienced all those near catastrophic situations that forced them to tap into their inner potential as generals.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

He knows cause he's seen what he can do lol? You're acting like Akou was inactive by this point.l

He's not gonna just make some baseless statement like that without some hint of credibility.

He observed Akou for one day of battle lol. And I’m not sure we really disagree on Akou’s abilities being greater than Ouhon’s at that time. What I’m saying is that Chougaryuu had no idea of the ceilings that Ouhon or Shin were really capable of. Chougaryuu had no idea Shin was going to be capable of slaying Houken. Or that Ouhon would escape the Raigoku and kill Gyou’Un.

He observed Akou and Ouhon for one day and concluded that Akou might be stronger. You’re acting like that statement implies an Akou level commander would be able to make that much of a difference against Gokei and Shi Ei lol.

The trio went through tremendous growth over the course of this mega arc (which RSJ literally foreshadowed occuring). These guys are completely different animals by the time they experienced all those near catastrophic situations that forced them to tap into their inner potential as generals.

The only growth they really went through was Awakening. Everything else they performed was just latent ability that they (and we) didn’t know they had in them.

Again my overall point is that Hakuki having an Akou level commander or two beneath him isn’t going to let him bridge the gap of facing two Fire Dragons lol.

 

[MarineHQ]

Hakuki is overrated tbh

 

[Shanks]

Hakuki is overrated tbh

How ? No one remembers most of warring era people but everyone still remembers HakuKi "the butcher".

Even historians sides with HakuKi amongst the four great generals of warring era with having most brilliant feats and records on battlefield.

Hakuki's feats would be eclipses all present in Kingdom or even by even the EoS. That's how great he is.