Character Discussion Would Doflamingo be stronger if...

Have Doflamingo did everything he could?


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#61
1.- It doesnt seem he lacked motivation to aim for the top, he did have big dreams, dreams on the level of Luffy or Zoro, not being the pirate king or the best swordsman, but taking down the whole World Goverment and the Celestial Dragons and that might be a huge feat. His problem was he viewed everyone under him since he was an ex Celestial Dragon, so his dreams was big but also his Ego, it was his Ego that took away the posibilities to train harder and get stronger.

Seeing how he grew, he had everything on his hands by his family, he didnt even train and became the monster he was, so if he just trained a bit he will be god damn stronger for sure.

2.- The same answer as above.
3.- Yes, his family stopped his potential, but also gave him confort which is also the reason he is what he is as strong as he is.

4.- Yeah, Doflamingo was going on the top by his own terms, his crew had some great abilities that only a mastermind as him coud use to control the whole world. He was the most powerful pirate, even greater than the emperors in terms of control. He was the main reason that the Revos were losing their battles, the reason there was war and many things, his downfall is the reason why there is caos in the sees just as the downfall of Whitebeard and he didnt even have the same raw power.

5.- Kaido did not crush his dreams, it seemed that it was Doflamingo using Kaido for his own benefit, the strongest creature wants to the greatest war and he was giving the smiles. What part does that sounds as Kaido using Doflamingo? Doflamingo was making Kaido's dream real, Kaido in war dying.
Your take also makes sense but remember that Doffy lowkey wanted to rule above em all.
 
#62
I think where Doflamingo messed up was trying to achieve his goal with schemes rather than strength and arrogantly believing that he and his family were invincible and top dogs. He was protected from the Government by his blackmail and Shichibukai title and from Pirates by his Shichibukai title (most pirates fear them) and by working with Kaidou.
 

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#63
He did everything his capabilities could allow him, it's a shame he never worked on his haki better, he could have artempted to learn Ryou and his base stats, he had material time to and that could have empowered his CoC as well.
 
#65
He did everything he could, in a certain way he also changed his fate hugely for the better considering he now could have been a clone of Carlos. His situation give him the drive to aim and reach for a very strong position, he had good allies for his lvl who struggled to help him realize his dream (like the SHs for Luffy). What we saw was Doffy apex, he also was most likely at the same lvl since years. Then that is that. He was scared shitless of Kaido so you can already understand he would have never ever challenged him or any other yonko and that is further confirmed by his combat lvl. A YC3 will never challenge a yonko if he is sane.

Also looking at it under anither light he was now trying to somewhat further his status by giving Kaido SMILEs but there is not a growth in his power (like Kaido getting the SMILE, BM and her family allaiances, BB nasty plots, kairoseki weapons, Impel down shopping etc.)(not to talk about Luffy and the other SNs who at least have the guts to attack yonkos) but try to have shelter under the shadow of Kaido.
 
#71
I think where Doflamingo messed up was trying to achieve his goal with schemes rather than strength and arrogantly believing that he and his family were invincible and top dogs. He was protected from the Government by his blackmail and Shichibukai title and from Pirates by his Shichibukai title (most pirates fear them) and by working with Kaidou.
His Warlord title does not give him protection form pirates as full, his mision is to defeat pirates in the name of the WG, so pirates can attack him. The WG uses the Warlords for that, but in the case of Doflamingo, he also could use the WG for his benefit.

And he did not work under Kaido, saying this means he was working under every damn person in the underworld since he was the greatest and more powerful broker there. Kaido was just his buisness partner.

He did everything his capabilities could allow him, it's a shame he never worked on his haki better, he could have artempted to learn Ryou and his base stats, he had material time to and that could have empowered his CoC as well.
Never worked on his haki? You are true and wrong, true because his Ego didnt let him learn much more than basics yet his haki was insanly strong.

And wrong since he had all 3 forms of haki and has displayed great feats of haki, be it observation controlling his parasite or clons all over the town and armament imbuing his strings with haki just as the swordsman can do.

His Kings Haki was equal to Luffy if not much greater than him. He did not show he could use them in advanced forms but his level on them are not low tier.


Doffy is admiral level... he doesnt give Fuck... he only fears Kaido... and thats understandable
And having fear is debatable. After all, Kaido and Doflamingo were partners. Doflamingo's fear is not because Kaido himself but because having him as enemy will just throw away all his plans he had. Law really did put him in a hard spot. He did not fear Whitebeard and was even enjoying the fight in the war, pure destruction.


He did everything he could, in a certain way he also changed his fate hugely for the better considering he now could have been a clone of Carlos. His situation give him the drive to aim and reach for a very strong position, he had good allies for his lvl who struggled to help him realize his dream (like the SHs for Luffy). What we saw was Doffy apex, he also was most likely at the same lvl since years. Then that is that. He was scared shitless of Kaido so you can already understand he would have never ever challenged him or any other yonko and that is further confirmed by his combat lvl. A YC3 will never challenge a yonko if he is sane.

Also looking at it under anither light he was now trying to somewhat further his status by giving Kaido SMILEs but there is not a growth in his power (like Kaido getting the SMILE, BM and her family allaiances, BB nasty plots, kairoseki weapons, Impel down shopping etc.)(not to talk about Luffy and the other SNs who at least have the guts to attack yonkos) but try to have shelter under the shadow of Kaido.
Doflamingo is not Yc3 tier. Why would Kaido sent Jack, a subordinate that he even protected in Wano just to save someone weaker than him? No sense.

And he was not underneath the shadow of Kaido. You got the things wrong. Law said they were partners. In wano we saw that even the WG has to do direct trades with Wano since Doflamingo is not there anymore. Doflamingo as he said, was holding the strings of the world for his own benefit, giving them what they wanted and asking the equivalent.

Why do you consider him admiral level bro
Hype and feats. Damn Wano is even proving more.

I'm hoping if Doffy escapes Impel Down, he'll be stronger so he isn't completely irrelevant.
Stronger yeah, not much but he also had a tough fight with Law and Luffy.

I hope Mingo makes it to the final war.
We need some of his famous quotes. He must be the one to reveal some info.

Yeah, maybe BB will pull a Impel down raid 2.0 and Doffy will join up with him. Knowing Oda, I don't think he'd kill off or permanently remove a character like Doffy.
Doflamingo will not be under no one, haven't you seen how his personality is? He will rather die than being under someone. His Ego is huge.
 
#73
His Warlord title does not give him protection form pirates as full, his mision is to defeat pirates in the name of the WG, so pirates can attack him. The WG uses the Warlords for that, but in the case of Doflamingo, he also could use the WG for his benefit.

And he did not work under Kaido, saying this means he was working under every damn person in the underworld since he was the greatest and more powerful broker there. Kaido was just his buisness partner.
The Shichibukai title protects him from pirates because due to the reputation of people with that title being strong.

If you read my post correctly I said worth WITH Kaidou... not for him.
 
#74
His Warlord title does not give him protection form pirates as full, his mision is to defeat pirates in the name of the WG, so pirates can attack him. The WG uses the Warlords for that, but in the case of Doflamingo, he also could use the WG for his benefit.

And he did not work under Kaido, saying this means he was working under every damn person in the underworld since he was the greatest and more powerful broker there. Kaido was just his buisness partner.
Doffy was a warlord in order to not have the WG mess with Dressrosa, if he was just a mere pirate (and also not a celestial dragon, maybe) he would have been wiped out by the WG for enslaving a country. But he was not a marine but a warlord, that means that he can take some small fries at times but more importabtly he has to answer the WG calls like the time at Marineford. Then by working for Kaido he assured both a strong protector and a source of income in order to grow. It is a fact they were not equals, not even in trade. Law original plan was not to beat Doffy, he didn't think they would have been able to do it, but to destroy his trade so that Kaido himself would have killed him when Doffy failed his end of the deal and so Law would have fulfilled his vendetta even if he already died.
 
#75
Doffy was a warlord in order to not have the WG mess with Dressrosa, if he was just a mere pirate (and also not a celestial dragon, maybe) he would have been wiped out by the WG for enslaving a country. But he was not a marine but a warlord, that means that he can take some small fries at times but more importabtly he has to answer the WG calls like the time at Marineford. Then by working for Kaido he assured both a strong protector and a source of income in order to grow. It is a fact they were not equals, not even in trade. Law original plan was not to beat Doffy, he didn't think they would have been able to do it, but to destroy his trade so that Kaido himself would have killed him when Doffy failed his end of the deal and so Law would have fulfilled his vendetta even if he already died.
You were right until you said he was working for Kaido. Doflamingo was not working for him, they were partners. Do you think that Kaido forced Doffy to do the smiles or was it Doflamingo who went with Kaido to make a deal?

After all, how could Kaido know Doflamingo could produce them? It must has been him who made the deal.

They were equals in trade. Of course Kaido is stronger. I am not saying that.
 
#76
yes

he would have because one's drive (which varies) is a decisive aspect that propels them even further.. it means one exerts more and has greater fortitude but its also dependent upon how strong or consistent is that drive. (not everyone are Luffy and zoro ofc)

Oda wouldn't have made him a Tyrant if doffy ever dreamt to be the strongest and was irrepressible coz of it.

ofc fate plays a huge role in success but you wield your will and brawn along the way.
 
#77
You were right until you said he was working for Kaido. Doflamingo was not working for him, they were partners. Do you think that Kaido forced Doffy to do the smiles or was it Doflamingo who went with Kaido to make a deal?

After all, how could Kaido know Doflamingo could produce them? It must has been him who made the deal.

They were equals in trade. Of course Kaido is stronger. I am not saying that.
Ok, but the moment they made the deal Doffy was already in the mouth of the lion, he had a gun at his head from that moment. Maybe Kaido could have even paid him well but since Kaido made huge plans upon SMILEs it was clear that the moment Doffy failed his end of the deal Kaido would erase him. But I can agree that Doffy should have had some good gains otherwise he would have not come out with this trade with Kaido (also knowing the risk he was putting hinself into, not to count he had deals with both the WG and Kaido so even more risky).
 
#78
Ok, but the moment they made the deal Doffy was already in the mouth of the lion, he had a gun at his head from that moment. Maybe Kaido could have even paid him well but since Kaido made huge plans upon SMILEs it was clear that the moment Doffy failed his end of the deal Kaido would erase him. But I can agree that Doffy should have had some good gains otherwise he would have not come out with this trade with Kaido (also knowing the risk he was putting hinself into, not to count he had deals with both the WG and Kaido so even more risky).
Dont you know what were the trades? In Dresrossa was said that Doflamingo had a large traffic of weapons with a some rare mineral, mineral that comes from Wano.

Then we also saw that some weapons were traded from wano to the WG thanks to Doffy. He was doing ok.
 

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#79
His Warlord title does not give him protection form pirates as full, his mision is to defeat pirates in the name of the WG, so pirates can attack him. The WG uses the Warlords for that, but in the case of Doflamingo, he also could use the WG for his benefit.

And he did not work under Kaido, saying this means he was working under every damn person in the underworld since he was the greatest and more powerful broker there. Kaido was just his buisness partner.



Never worked on his haki? You are true and wrong, true because his Ego didnt let him learn much more than basics yet his haki was insanly strong.

And wrong since he had all 3 forms of haki and has displayed great feats of haki, be it observation controlling his parasite or clons all over the town and armament imbuing his strings with haki just as the swordsman can do.

His Kings Haki was equal to Luffy if not much greater than him. He did not show he could use them in advanced forms but his level on them are not low tier.




And having fear is debatable. After all, Kaido and Doflamingo were partners. Doflamingo's fear is not because Kaido himself but because having him as enemy will just throw away all his plans he had. Law really did put him in a hard spot. He did not fear Whitebeard and was even enjoying the fight in the war, pure destruction.




Doflamingo is not Yc3 tier. Why would Kaido sent Jack, a subordinate that he even protected in Wano just to save someone weaker than him? No sense.

And he was not underneath the shadow of Kaido. You got the things wrong. Law said they were partners. In wano we saw that even the WG has to do direct trades with Wano since Doflamingo is not there anymore. Doflamingo as he said, was holding the strings of the world for his own benefit, giving them what they wanted and asking the equivalent.



Hype and feats. Damn Wano is even proving more.



Stronger yeah, not much but he also had a tough fight with Law and Luffy.



We need some of his famous quotes. He must be the one to reveal some info.



Doflamingo will not be under no one, haven't you seen how his personality is? He will rather die than being under someone. His Ego is huge.
I didn't suggest Doffy didn't work on his haki honestly, it's just of course he didn't work enough to empower it more properly. Though this doesn't necessarily implicate he could achieve it by himself and perhaps he had to be trained. But given his age perhaps he could have. Of course main characters learn things faster for obvious reasons instead.
 
#80
I didn't suggest Doffy didn't work on his haki honestly, it's just of course he didn't work enough to empower it more properly. Though this doesn't necessarily implicate he could achieve it by himself and perhaps he had to be trained. But given his age perhaps he could have. Of course main characters learn things faster for obvious reasons instead.
Yes the main characters, but also the increase of power of a weaker person is much easier than someone who is already strong.
 
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