Powers & Abilities Would it really have been so hard for Oda to let Big Mom do this?

[Monkey D Theories]

So you know how Big Mom's ultimate homie combination is combining lightning and fire to create this plasma thing she wields with her sword?

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And you know how Linlin is able to make prometheus and Hera massive?

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Well then, why is it that whenever big mom uses her ultimate homie combination, it's always this pacifista like laser beam or Misery, an attack that looks visually worse than King's fire dragon thing, and not something comparable to this:

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I don't get it. Just looking at what prometheus and hera are capable of at max power just by themselves, combined they should easily be capable of performing an island level attack. The fact that its been said over and over that Linlin is comparable to kaido is just proof of this. Yet instead of something rivaling kaido's flaming dragon, we got this:

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And then you wonder why people think Linlin is the weakest top tier. She is the only one that Oda gives this level of treatment to. She is coincidentally the only one who is a woman. I don't mean to be that guy, but sexist much? Out of all the top tiers the one woman is coincidentally the only one who is portrayed a clown for absolutely no reason. Its not that she is weak, because as I said, she should easily be capable of doing something like this. But the plot for whatever reason never allows her to do it.
And I don't know why? Why make Kid and Law fight her and beat her and give them 3 billion berry bounties if you aren't even going to let big mom use her full strength or even do anything resembling a top tier? This man literally has big mom throwing metal and fucking traced the same panel of her standing in front of kid and law in like 3 chapters, but couldn't bother showing her use ACoC even once(apart from maybe 1040).

This is why people say Oda is out of his prime. Because literally any other competent author could write this character better. I don't even think this has anything to do with powerlevels, because you could easily write big mom looking like a top tier and still have kid and law countering her and it make sense. Like, for example; what the fuck ever happened to Law's ability to create barriers?

remember this move he used against kaido?

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And whatever happened to that giant sword in onigashima that was utterly pointless at the end of the arc? You really couldn't have Kid and/or Law use it in any fashion? You couldn't have them multiply their powerlevels by doing some sort of combination move(like what kaido and BM did with hakai)?

Honestly, I think Oda was just cutting corners and being lazy. It would have taken an extra chapter to draw Linlin using a massive attack and the supernova countering it, so what do you do? Just make linlin look awful.
It doesn't matter. Its not like linlin is an emperor or anything. Its not like her defeat is one of the most important events in one piece or anything. Its not like wano has literally been hyped since punk hazard or anything.

I truly despise the fact that people wank Oda so hard despite him doing the bare minimum

 

[JoNdule]

1. Oda can't write female fighters
Even Yamato who's the first Female Oda doesn't clown or badly use in fights ended up doing nothing but stall a mere kanjuro drawing ...

2. Oda had to nerf BM always or make her not use her full capacity
She's the only Yonko who's constantly nerfed or made retarded

If BM made Prometheus that big again or made island level storms...alliance won't have a chance to win

 

[Jailer]

Yeah Law had a defensive move and only used it once in his entire fight, makes absolutely zero sense.

Tho this is also at fault off screening too, we have absolutely no idea how or what happened, perks of being side character fights, Oda doesn't care about them he just shows off their flashy moves and is done with them.

 

[Buusatan94]

It shouldn't have been hard at all, but as you said Big Mom is a female character and as a result Oda treats her nowhere as well and badass as the male Yonkos, not counting that he wrote himself in a corner by having the Straw Hats to be far too weak to take on her during WCI arc and by having her go to Wano and ally with Kaido.

 

[Arthur Fleck]

The last hope of her being redeemed is Rocks flashback. But I won't bet on it.

 

[Finalbeta]

According to Loda size almost doesn't matter

 

[Monkey D Theories]

2. Oda had to nerf BM always or make her not use her full capacity
She's the only Yonko who's constantly nerfed or made retarded

If BM made Prometheus that big again or made island level storms...alliance won't have a chance to win

Its the fault of the damn rooftop. Oda needed Luffy to look the strongest on the rooftop, but also needed him to get low diffed by kaido. And this destroys powerscaling, because it essentially makes big mom look far weaker than kaido.

the power-scaling would have been so much more consistent if Kid and Law had some form of advanced haki, or if the duo could casually use their awakenings like katakuri could. But Oda couldn't have them walk into onigashima with these power ups, because then luffy would look bad on the roof. But he also couldn't just give it to them after the roof because it would be inconsistent. So he gave them powerful awakenings, but it has a big side effect in order to explain why it wasn't used on the roof.

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If Kid and Law at the very least didn't have massive side effects to their awakenings:

• their 3 billion berry bounties might actually make sense(albeit Luffy's would still be too low imo)
• Big Mom wouldn't need to be needlessly nerfed
• the fight might actually be good and make sense
• Kid and Law might actually be Luffy's rivals.

But instead we get a tell, don't show approach. We are told Kid and Law are Luffy's rivals, we are told Big Mom is equal to kaido, we are told that Kid and Law 2v1ed big mom, but we never actually get to see it. We never see Big Mom even remotely equal kaido outside of them splitting the sky once, and we never see Kid and Law actually have to deal with big mom's powers.

 

[Iaarm]

Because Big Mom didnt fight Luffy.

 

[Peenix]

And then you wonder why people think Linlin is the weakest top tier. She is the only one that Oda gives this level of treatment to. She is coincidentally the only one who is a woman. I don't mean to be that guy, but sexist much? Out of all the top tiers the one woman is coincidentally the only one who is portrayed a clown for absolutely no reason. Its not that she is weak, because as I said, she should easily be capable of doing something like this. But the plot for whatever reason never allows her to do it.

To be fair

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But anyway the answer is pretty obvious. Oda wanted Law and Kidd to win, but to do that he had to nerf Big Mom a little bit. The arc had already gone on way longer than what he intended and he wasn't gonna spent 50 chapters on having characters punch each other unless the fight had some big plot development like Luffy vs Kaido did. I personally don't really care that we only saw Big Mom use ACoC that once because Devil Fruit powers are just more visually interesting

And whatever happened to that giant sword in onigashima that was utterly pointless at the end of the arc? You really couldn't have Kid and/or Law use it in any fashion? You couldn't have them multiply their powerlevels by doing some sort of combination move(like what kaido and BM did with hakai)?

Why did you expect it to be anything other than a background prop? Serious question

 

[Monkey D Theories]

@ShishioIsBack This is the type of thing I'm talking about.

Logic dictates that BM should have an ultimate move capable of rivaling Kaido's flaming bagua. She has shown island level AP by simply using napoleon, zeus, or prometheus, yet when she combines all 3 for maser cannon or misery, the attack looks worse than King's ultimate move.

Why didn't she show it? Because Oda's a hack. He's an incompetent mangaka who is far past his prime and is already getting outcompeted by newer and younger mangaka. Ironically, Oda is the Big Mom of the shonen industry.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

@ShishioIsBack This is the type of thing I'm talking about.

Logic dictates that BM should have an ultimate move capable of rivaling Kaido's flaming bagua. She has shown island level AP by simply using napoleon, zeus, or prometheus, yet when she combines all 3 for maser cannon or misery, the attack looks worse than King's ultimate move.

Why didn't she show it? Because Oda's a hack. He's an incompetent mangaka who is far past his prime and is already getting outcompeted by newer and younger mangaka. Ironically, Oda is the Big Mom of the shonen industry.

Well Island level shocks don't mean much. Pre Time Skip Zoro was tanking Shock blasts as big as those mangroves in Sabaody. Zoro also no sold Indra.

Kaido has a solid magma level Island sized form clad with CoC.
Real explanation is that Oda simply didn't want to show Law and Kidd strong enough to deal with attacks of the caliber of flaming bagua. Simply why else won't he draw?

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Kaido has a solid magma level Island sized form clad with CoC.
Real explanation is that Oda simply didn't want to show Law and Kidd strong enough to deal with attacks of the caliber of flaming bagua. Simply why else won't he draw?

Because he's a bad writer.

If you didn't want Kid and Law to beat her, you shouldn't have brought her in wano to begin with. But you are going to have Kid and Law beat her, then actually commit to that.
It would have costed Oda absolutely nothing to allow Kid and Law to train for advanced haki and at least learn one form, at least get ACoA, so that they can actually 2v1 big mom.

Utterly incoherent writing. Literal fanfics are better than this.

Oda could have just introduced some miscellaneous members of the rocks pirates for Kid and Law to fight, like Ochoku and silver axe(characters who are probably irrelevant anyways), and then have Big Mom be defeated by Teach, or shanks, or an admiral, or literally anyone else.

I truly believe Oda has no idea what he's doing.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Because he's a bad writer.

If you didn't want Kid and Law to beat her, you shouldn't have brought her in wano to begin with. But you are going to have Kid and Law beat her, then actually commit to that.
It would have costed Oda absolutely nothing to allow Kid and Law to train for advanced haki and at least learn one form, at least get ACoA, so that they can actually 2v1 big mom.

Utterly incoherent writing. Literal fanfics are better than this.

Oda could have just introduced some miscellaneous members of the rocks pirates for Kid and Law to fight, like Ochoku and silver axe(characters who are probably irrelevant anyways), and then have Big Mom be defeated by Teach, or shanks, or an admiral, or literally anyone else.

I truly believe Oda has no idea what he's doing.

Well unless his goal is for Law and Kidd to get their names out here as people who "defeated" Big Mom when in reality they collectively pushed her off the island but its bombs that did real damage.

Try to understand that its possible Oda added so many bells and whistles like No CoC Big Mom, Bombs, Kidd not doing any real damage because he didn't want to break the food chain he build over the roof top where Luffy and Zoro are at the top and Law and Kidd come at the bottom.

But only in name value would they rival Luffy not in combat.
Like imagine heart pirates clashing with SHP, Zoro casually wipes out the entire crew before any of them can even blink and then imagine Luffy Sanji Yamato Jinbei Jumping Law, how much of an insane over kill that is?

 

[DarkWitch]

I've said this before and I'll say it again, if this was Luffy vs Big Mom then Oda would have given Big Mom a lot more focus.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Well unless his goal is for Law and Kidd to get their names out here as people who "defeated" Big Mom when in reality they collectively pushed her off the island but its bombs that did real damage.

this is fucking stupid and Oda should be fired for writing crap like this.

Like I said. He could have just had them fight Ochoku and Silver Axe. Give those two 3 billion berry bounties and portray them as "legends". Even if they don't have top tier feats, its fine because they are probably out of their prime.

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I've said this before and I'll say it again, if this was Luffy vs Big Mom then Oda would have given Big Mom a lot more focus.

this is a horrible excuse.

She was a major antagonist with multiple arcs of buildup, and this fight was garbage

 

[MonsterKaido]

Making prometheus Big >> Misery imo

Oda made BM weak at the end

 

[vikas]

In the End, BM is the most OP character...with her skillset. And Goda doesn't know how to handle stuff thats all.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Making prometheus Big >> Misery imo

Oda made BM weak at the end

This makes me want to drop OP

yonkos had years of buildup and Oda couldn't even honor fans by having them go off in a satisfying way. Imagine if we got Teach vs an all out big mom between acts 1 and 2 or 2 and 3. Imagine how great that would have been. I don't even know what's the point of reading OP when Oda has destroyed my confidence that anything will have a satisfying payoff.

Toriko literally ripped its plot off OP, and yet that manga did a better job with Oda's own material than Oda is. There were so many top tier hype as fuck fights in that series. But we don't get that in OP. No, its more important that we see some fodder character's shitty backstory than an emperor have a good fight. smh.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

This makes me want to drop OP

yonkos had years of buildup and Oda couldn't even honor fans by having them go off in a satisfying way. Imagine if we got Teach vs an all out big mom between acts 1 and 2 or 2 and 3. Imagine how great that would have been. I don't even know what's the point of reading OP when Oda has destroyed my confidence that anything will have a satisfying payoff.

Toriko literally ripped its plot off OP, and yet that manga did a better job with Oda's own material than Oda is. There were so many top tier hype as fuck fights in that series. But we don't get that in OP. No, its more important that we see some fodder character's shitty backstory than an emperor have a good fight. smh.

Oda didn't even fully close Zoro's plot lines despite him being second most important and focused on character and you think he will do Law Kidd and Big Mom justice lol?

 

[Cherry Hilk]

@ShishioIsBack This is the type of thing I'm talking about.

Logic dictates that BM should have an ultimate move capable of rivaling Kaido's flaming bagua. She has shown island level AP by simply using napoleon, zeus, or prometheus, yet when she combines all 3 for maser cannon or misery, the attack looks worse than King's ultimate move.

Why didn't she show it? Because Oda's a hack. He's an incompetent mangaka who is far past his prime and is already getting outcompeted by newer and younger mangaka. Ironically, Oda is the Big Mom of the shonen industry.

Basically you’re Calling a writer whose work is read by tens of millions throughout the world incompetent because he didn’t fulfill some specific expectations of yours regarding a specific character…
Whining and being emotional over some unfulfilled fantasies and slandering a person for that with terms as “incompetent”: beyond pathetic and childish.