Questions & Mysteries Would Kid have bigger feats if not for Law's success?

Would Kid have a better treatment if Law didn't "steal" his spotlight?

  • Yes, Law got in the way, as Kid was the 2nd most popular non-SH supernova.

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • No, Kid was destined to tag team Big Mom and to be crushed by Shanks.

    Votes: 7 33.3%

  • Maybe.

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Other (please explain).

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
Kung-Fu Dugong

Kung-Fu Dugong

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Hello, gentlemen. I was skimming through the past SBS's, interviews, databooks and other info, and I stumbled upon this:

Here is a compilation of important ONE PIECE events that were not planned well in advance. @sandman_AP



As we can see, according to sandman, Law wasn't supposed to be an important character, but Kid was since his creation. So what happened until their highlights in Wano?

I'd say that Law managed to rise up in relevance after the 4th popularity poll (published in WSJ issue 49 of 2008):



Law placed in the 10th position (!), above even two of the most popular strawhats (Usopp and Franky). As it was published in 2008 (probably during Amazon Lily or Impel Down), all that Law had was his introduction back in Sabaody part 1. Seeing this, Oda probably expanded Law's role in the story in the start of post-skip, and it payed off greatly; he surpassed Zoro and almost surpassed even Luffy in the next popularity poll:



Then, we have Wano and Egghead. Both Law and Kid were entrusted with the defeat of Big Mom, one of the strongest pirates in the world. But would Kid solo Big Mom if Law didn't go so well in the polls? And the result Kid vs. Shanks, would Kid have a better showing if he was more popular? Law managed to hold his own pretty well against Blackbeard, and was even able to escape. Please, discuss.

 
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Robin swan

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Kidds fighting style is just not that impressive, his best feats go in tandem with law, he ignores haki for no real reason, and he's arrogantly dumb like thinking he can beat kaido just because he has more metal or thinks he can beat shanks whole crew when he needed massive help and luck to beat pis bm. Kidd as a character had his potential snatched by oda by not allowing him proper development overall. Kidd could have been the vegeta of this series if done right. He could have been the darker side of luffy while still be on the protagonist side but he got nerfed to a cheerleader and delivery boy. Imo kidd if done right should be a yonko not buggy rn but his potential is just not being reached.
 
Luffy is the mc

Luffy is the mc

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No, imo he was destined to be killed by Kaido during the raid.

But Oda decided to get rid of BM and didn't how to do it, so he brought her to Wano and had Law and Kidd tag team her.

Kidd was supposed to show how a hot headed dude with no training would fare in the NW.

So Oda just delayed it and also use Shanks, his fave boy to do it.

So Kidd was always meant to be that weak ass bum. His demise was only logical.
 
Garp the Fist

Garp the Fist

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I don’t think that as of the time of making the Supernova’s Oda actually had much of a plan for the post skip arcs beyond a vague outline of the big main arcs. Go to FI first, Wano at some point, Elbaf later, EoS.

I don’t think Kid was ever originally planned to have anything to do with Kaido or Wano. Big Mom is also a character who I think plans changed drastically for.

I expect that the original plan (or again, vague outline) was that in the NW there would be more smaller arcs, Kid would be a parallel rival figure dipping in and out (a bit like Smoker used to be) and at some point prior to Wano him and Luffy (and Zoro and Killer) would have a real fight, after which point they would become frenemies. And that this was the plan at least as late as Punk Hazard, where he was setting up a parallel alliance to aim at a different Yonko- Shanks.

So Law to an extent did take that, but the two roles wouldn‘t be all that similar ( Kid would be more antagonistic).

I do believe that Kid being defeated by Shanks, and whatever happens now, is more likely to be part of the initial plan for Kid than anything that happened before.
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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No. Kid’s importance was that he was a foil to Luffy. He was never going to be Luffy’s equal.

Law’s importance, as a close ally of Luffy and as a D, would have probably been given to another character had Oda not thought of Law. But that character couldn’t have been Kid.

I suspect if Oda didn’t create Law, he would have had Sabo or Koby play more integral roles in Dressrosa and Wano.
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Roo said:
Maybe, the original plan was for Doffy and Kaido to team up in Wano and Law at the very least was always going to play a role vs Doffy due to his Jolly Roger.

I think it makes sense in that alternate script for Kid to be involved vs BM
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I think in the original plan, Luffy defeated both Big Mom and Kaido.

However Oda realized that would take too much time, so he shoehorned BM into Wano.
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Elbaf doesn’t seem to have a real villain at the moment. Shamrock’s character was seemingly introduced out of nowhere.

I think BM was likely the original villain of Elbaf, with Luffy 1v1ing her
 
Roo

Roo

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Monkey D Theories said:
No. Kid’s importance was that he was a foil to Luffy. He was never going to be Luffy’s equal.

Law’s importance, as a close ally of Luffy and as a D, would have probably been given to another character had Oda not thought of Law. But that character couldn’t have been Kid.

I suspect if Oda didn’t create Law, he would have had Sabo or Koby play more integral roles in Dressrosa and Wano.
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I think in the original plan, Luffy defeated both Big Mom and Kaido.

However Oda realized that would take too much time, so he shoehorned BM into Wano.
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Elbaf doesn’t seem to have a real villain at the moment. Shamrock’s character was seemingly introduced out of nowhere.

I think BM was likely the original villain of Elbaf, with Luffy 1v1ing her
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Yeah I still think Luffy beats Kaido, but originally would’ve been Law vs Doffy and Luffy vs Kaido. With Kid and Luffy vs BM and a side enemy in its own arc
 
Monkey D Theories

Monkey D Theories

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Roo said:
Yeah I still think Luffy beats Kaido, but originally would’ve been Law vs Doffy and Luffy vs Kaido. With Kid and Luffy vs BM and a side enemy in its own arc
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I think Kid’s big 1v1 with a yonko was always either going to be Shanks or Luffy

obviously, he wasn’t going to defeat either of them, but that’s the point of his character.
 
kekaro

kekaro

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Roo said:
You know what can means? It’s getting rid of. He didn’t plan to get rid of all of them. In fact he said he expected Kid to be important meaning he had a plan after creating him.
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Maybe its a misscommunication than
Like hawkins imo for example was canned. What im saying the Supernovas being this prominent in the story as they were in post-TS is not a default state, clearly this was kickstarted by law (which is even chronologicaly the case in Punk Hazard)
Could they show up and play a part, like Bonney did in Egghead (something you can also argue oda "planned" with the Bonney crying scene) that usual a arc characte like tama does? Sure
However the SN being relevant at all to this extent that they are now is undoubtly because of Laws populrity imo and him being a supernova. If he wasnt they would all be footnotes in the grand scheme of thining
 
Roo

Roo

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kekaro said:
Maybe its a misscommunication than
Like hawkins imo for example was canned. What im saying the Supernovas being this prominent in the story as they were in post-TS is not a default state, clearly this was kickstarted by law (which is even chronologicaly the case in Punk Hazard)
Could they show up and play a part, like Bonney did in Egghead (something you can also argue oda "planned" with the Bonney crying scene) that usual a arc characte like tama does? Sure
However the SN being relevant at all to this extent that they are now is undoubtly because of Laws populrity imo and him being a supernova. If he wasnt they would all be footnotes in the grand scheme of thining
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I mean neither were the warlords. Oda came up with them in Baratie and look at how important they are

I don’t think being a last minute addition says much, if it wasn’t for Law im sure another supernova would’ve taken his spot and they’d be as important
 
kekaro

kekaro

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Roo said:
I mean neither were the warlords. Oda came up with them in Baratie and look at how important they are

I don’t think being a last minute addition says much, if it wasn’t for Law im sure another supernova would’ve taken his spot and they’d be as important
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We agree to disagree than. I dont think if Law was not a character the SN woul be that important.
Like the warlord argument doesnt make sense to me because the first warlord we saw was mihawk which is a eos goal of zoro for example when it comes to importance so the bar was already set insanely high from the start
 
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