General & Others Would One Piece have been better with more deaths?

[Definitivo]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

It always seemed like a shitty decision to me, this not only takes away tension and emotional charge but also causes a huge number of characters to accumulate in a saga with their respective boring plots.

Just imagine how the Luffy/Momo vs. Kaido conflict would have improved, if Kaido killed Kinemon and his friends.

But well, many people defend this decision and say that it makes One Piece unique.

What is your opinion?

 

[The White Crane]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

It always seemed like a shitty decision to me, this not only takes away tension and emotional charge but also causes a huge number of characters to accumulate in a saga with their respective boring plots.

Just imagine how the Luffy/Momo vs. Kaido conflict would have improved, if Kaido killed Kinemon and his friends.

But well, many people defend this decision and say that it makes One Piece unique.

What is your opinion?

Yes, and I don't think it is even a debate.

 

[ZenZu]

Ofcourse. Majority of the fakeouts serve no purpose. What difference would it have made to the story that the G5 soldiers remained dead on PH? Oda couldn't draw a banquet? But he literally drew a banquet after someone as prominent as Pell was presumed to be dead, even made him a grave and everything, so what was the point of having Pell survive?

Keeping characters alive to serve a purpose in the future is different from what Oda does, he has characters survive just to have them survive. Which cheapens their character moments for no reason.

 

[Twin Milf]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

It always seemed like a shitty decision to me, this not only takes away tension and emotional charge but also causes a huge number of characters to accumulate in a saga with their respective boring plots.

Just imagine how the Luffy/Momo vs. Kaido conflict would have improved, if Kaido killed Kinemon and his friends.

But well, many people defend this decision and say that it makes One Piece unique.

What is your opinion?

Generally yes, One Piece would be better with more deaths
However if I'm allowed to play the devil's advocate, I'm ok with stuff like Kin'emon surviving the war because I need to see Oda drawing his reunion with O-Tsuru after 20 years
I can't really defend shit like Pell or Pagaya tho, they both survived their big sacrificing moments and we either got nothing or just stupid gags out of their survivals

 

[Midnight Delight]

It depends
Graham surviving was okay because it would be Awkward if Robin actually killed him. Pell surviving ruined his sacrifice and looks was too silly in hindsight

 

[roronoa_fan]

The answer is yes, but it's not just putting in a lot of pointless and impactless deaths like many manga do.

 

[Goodman Grey]

No, I don't think characters dying dictate the quality of a story.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Hell yeah.

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

No, because One Piece was never about deaths. It centers around crushing the Dreams of others, which is a fate far worse in this series.

Toning down the fake outs on the other hand is a different story.

 

[X18999]

No... I love seeing characters from past arcs still living their lives around the world. What One Piece needs is fewer fake deaths like Pell, Papaya, and Pound.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

He did technically kill off two scabbard asura and izo.

Kinemon was foster father to momo so i dont think he was dying anytime.

Ya i am pretty pissed at time but its shounen series in the end.

 

[Monster Luffy]

Lol, seinen edgelords shouldn't read one piece for deaths. Oda doesn't do many deaths but most deaths have moments. It is true that some fake deaths are bad, but blokes here think that every fake death is bad as if it wasted their emotions. These people don't like if a person they thought dead was not actually dead. I feel that IRL, they have same tendency. They feel that person going to die should die or else all emotions are wasted.

 

[Just a member]

Who knows? It depends on how they are executed and even more importantly why? Game of thrones lives upon the death of main character Martin build up extremely well just to destroy them when the reader least expects it. In HxH fodder characters die like flies and that is to give a sense of threat and uncertainty also how the HxH world is a dark place.

About Oda his problem is not too many or too few deaths. His problem is that if you say a character is dead then that character has to stay dead. Sure, you can trick the reader a few times with fake deaths but Oda does this systematically to the point that every time a character with some importance dies in OP the reader instead of being worried, displeased etc. just rolls his eyes at Oda antics because he knows most likely said character will come back and Oda is just trolling the reader (again again and again).

 

[zzShinichi]

It would be better with less fakeout deaths that's for sure

 

[uyuu]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

It always seemed like a shitty decision to me, this not only takes away tension and emotional charge but also causes a huge number of characters to accumulate in a saga with their respective boring plots.

Just imagine how the Luffy/Momo vs. Kaido conflict would have improved, if Kaido killed Kinemon and his friends.

But well, many people defend this decision and say that it makes One Piece unique.

What is your opinion?

Death is included. What i need is the concept of consequence. If someone makes mistakes, he will die or suffer something long-term, or his friends will suffer or die or crippled. Or they will be betrayed. Their plan will fail, there will be something they cant predict and they will suffer losses of power or bargaining position or army or trust or whatever, betrayal, etc.

So victory, powerups, better ball positionings in war or conflicts are also the consequences of someone's effort, or sincerity, or strategy-tactics, or manipulation, or persuasion, or natural interaction, etc.

 

[Senfret]

I hope for Pedro's sake that he is actually dead, I didn't dislike Pound being alive though

 

[vikas]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

Yeah, oda it feels bad..but that doesn't mean you keep adding fake deaths.

 

[Thaidakar]

Oda confessed that he doesn't kill his characters so that people don't feel bad.

It always seemed like a shitty decision to me, this not only takes away tension and emotional charge but also causes a huge number of characters to accumulate in a saga with their respective boring plots.

Just imagine how the Luffy/Momo vs. Kaido conflict would have improved, if Kaido killed Kinemon and his friends.

But well, many people defend this decision and say that it makes One Piece unique.

What is your opinion?

I'm still patiently waiting for usop to die

 

[SakazOuki]

Lol, seinen edgelords shouldn't read one piece for deaths. Oda doesn't do many deaths but most deaths have moments. It is true that some fake deaths are bad, but blokes here think that every fake death is bad as if it wasted their emotions. These people don't like if a person they thought dead was not actually dead. I feel that IRL, they have same tendency. They feel that person going to die should die or else all emotions are wasted.

That’s a very sick way of looking at things.
Leave it to Oda’s nancy boys to compare poor writing to irl deaths.
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Anyway it’s a known flaw in his way of writing and I wasn’t really surprised Saul is alive, it is unnecessary and I understand if anyone found it distasteful if they are invested in this type of material.
Saul, Pell or Corazon are mid characters that don’t provide unique content on screen so Oda can do whatever imo, I’m more bothered by the death of well written characters like Vergo for example, this is the type of characters you should bring back.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Yes, the fake deaths are literally ruining the story. Most fans felt zero emotion for Ashura and Izo's deaths because they didn't even believe they were dead. Its one thing to bring back some characters.

But Oda has done it so many times that fans are forced to question if any death is real. imo that is bad writing. Oda might as well just introduce dragon balls and make it to where dead people can be revived, because that's basically what he's doing anyways. But in a way that's far more contrived.