Character Discussion Would Roger still be at the top?
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Currently, he is ranked below Imu, Saint Jaygarcia Saturn (Saturn), Saint Marcus Mars (Mars), Saint Topman Walcury (Mercury), Saint Ethanbaron V. Nasujuro (Venus), Saint Shepherd Ju Peter (Jupiter), and Garling, perhaps 2 or 3 of the knights, including Akainu.
Roger is currently resembling a Yc3, but if you ask me where the manga shows this difference in power to validate my list, I won't be able to answer you because everything I've said is purely based on speculation, and I have nothing to prove my point.
Mihawk is a fraud; the bald Gorosei is much stronger than him, just like Saturn and the other elders are also stronger than Mihawk. Whitebeard has become a fraud; his title, whether in his prime or old age, is a meme at this point. Although, as I mentioned before, I have nothing to prove what I'm saying, it's pure speculation on how I think this manga will unfold from here on. Only Kaido is currently the one who stands out, being the terror of the Gorosei and the strongest living creature on the planet.
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Am I doing this right?
Roger is currently resembling a Yc3, but if you ask me where the manga shows this difference in power to validate my list, I won't be able to answer you because everything I've said is purely based on speculation, and I have nothing to prove my point.
Mihawk is a fraud; the bald Gorosei is much stronger than him, just like Saturn and the other elders are also stronger than Mihawk. Whitebeard has become a fraud; his title, whether in his prime or old age, is a meme at this point. Although, as I mentioned before, I have nothing to prove what I'm saying, it's pure speculation on how I think this manga will unfold from here on. Only Kaido is currently the one who stands out, being the terror of the Gorosei and the strongest living creature on the planet.
@comrade
Am I doing this right?
Currently, he is ranked below Imu, Saint Jaygarcia Saturn (Saturn), Saint Marcus Mars (Mars), Saint Topman Walcury (Mercury), Saint Ethanbaron V. Nasujuro (Venus), Saint Shepherd Ju Peter (Jupiter), and Garling, perhaps 2 or 3 of the knights, including Akainu.
Roger is currently resembling a Yc3, but if you ask me where the manga shows this difference in power to validate my list, I won't be able to answer you because everything I've said is purely based on speculation, and I have nothing to prove my point.
Mihawk is a fraud; the bald Gorosei is much stronger than him, just like Saturn and the other elders are also stronger than Mihawk. Whitebeard has become a fraud; his title, whether in his prime or old age, is a meme at this point. Although, as I mentioned before, I have nothing to prove what I'm saying, it's pure speculation on how I think this manga will unfold from here on. Only Kaido is currently the one who stands out, being the terror of the Gorosei and the strongest living creature on the planet.
@comradeAm I doing this right?
Roger is currently resembling a Yc3, but if you ask me where the manga shows this difference in power to validate my list, I won't be able to answer you because everything I've said is purely based on speculation, and I have nothing to prove my point.
Mihawk is a fraud; the bald Gorosei is much stronger than him, just like Saturn and the other elders are also stronger than Mihawk. Whitebeard has become a fraud; his title, whether in his prime or old age, is a meme at this point. Although, as I mentioned before, I have nothing to prove what I'm saying, it's pure speculation on how I think this manga will unfold from here on. Only Kaido is currently the one who stands out, being the terror of the Gorosei and the strongest living creature on the planet.
@comrade
Am I doing this right?
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Roger becoming the Pirate King is part of their plans. They are so generous that they even allow only 1 Shichibukai to blackmail them, a Shichibukai that wouldn't have much impact on the global balance of power if they were to disappear. They are monsters who can get what they want immediately, but they could never take over Wano for themselves. These monsters have the luxury of pretending to be tense and sweating at the mere mention that Shanks and Whitebeard were about to make contact. The Gorosei are like the Division 0 of Bleach, man. We need to accept this fact about them, even though their actions and the way they have been portrayed so far contradict it. I'm sure they will be like this, trust me. :saden: Didn't you see that overwhelming aura that's failing to knock out people like Bonney and Sanji?
This is the next level, welcome to PK+, WSC+, WSM+.
This is the next level, welcome to PK+, WSC+, WSM+.
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What are the two things the Gorosei and Doflamingo have in common?
1. They are both Celestial Dragons
2. They are both afraid of angering Kaido
1. They are both Celestial Dragons
2. They are both afraid of angering Kaido
You know what I think? The Gorosei were also afraid to destroy and kill Doffy because that could also provoke Kaido's fury, as both of them were business partners.
When Doflamingo decided to give up everything and being hunted by admirals, Law, who didn't know of Doflamingo's heritage, said, that Doflamingo had no other choice, it was the only option:
Giving up everything he built and being targeted by multiple admirals is, according to Law, a better outcome as compared to having a kingdom, a lot of wealth and immunity from the Marines while potentially angering Kaido by being unable to deliver a product.
That aligns with the fact that Aokiji encouraged Smoker to have Akainu dispatch the admirals (again, Plural) and Doflamingo not being bothered to attack Smoker in Aokiji's presence and straight out attack Fujitora, being confident that he would be able to get rid of him, while being terrified to the core just hearing Kaido's name.
Doflamingo seemingly has no problem facing admirals and being "hunted" by them, as he has no problem blackmailing the leading figures of the WG, namely Imu and the Gorosei, saying they tried hard to kill him but couldn't.
How can Kaido as a single man cast so much fear and terror into a man that isn't afraid of blackmailing the entire World Government and being chased by their "strongest military force"? How strong is Kaido? Is this the reason Orochi was so confident in front of Cipher Pol Aigis Zero, saying there is no reason to be afraid of the WG as long as he is backed up by Kaido, shooting them into their mask and demanding, with the CP0 getting visibly nervous?
Law made Doflamingo choose between angering Kaido or giving up everything he built in the past 10 years being hunted by admirals (Plural):
When Doflamingo decided to give up everything and being hunted by admirals, Law, who didn't know of Doflamingo's heritage, said, that Doflamingo had no other choice, it was the only option:
Giving up everything he built and being targeted by multiple admirals is, according to Law, a better outcome as compared to having a kingdom, a lot of wealth and immunity from the Marines while potentially angering Kaido by being unable to deliver a product.
That aligns with the fact that Aokiji encouraged Smoker to have Akainu dispatch the admirals (again, Plural) and Aokiji not being bothered to attack Smoker in Aokiji's presence and straight out attack Fujitora, being confident that he would be able to get rid of him, while being terrified to the core just hearing Kaido's name.
Doflamingo seemingly has no problem facing admirals and being "hunted" by them, as he has no problem blackmailing the leading figures of the WG, namely Imu and the Gorosei, saying they tried hard to kill him but couldn't.
How can Kaido as a single man cast so much fear and terror into a man that isn't afraid of blackmailing the entire World Government and being chased by their "strongest military force"? How strong is Kaido? Is this the reason Orochi was so confident in front of Cipher Pol Aigis Zero, saying there is no reason to be afraid of the WG as long as he is backed up by Kaido, shooting them into their mask and demanding, with the CP0 getting visibly nervous?
When Doflamingo decided to give up everything and being hunted by admirals, Law, who didn't know of Doflamingo's heritage, said, that Doflamingo had no other choice, it was the only option:
Giving up everything he built and being targeted by multiple admirals is, according to Law, a better outcome as compared to having a kingdom, a lot of wealth and immunity from the Marines while potentially angering Kaido by being unable to deliver a product.
That aligns with the fact that Aokiji encouraged Smoker to have Akainu dispatch the admirals (again, Plural) and Aokiji not being bothered to attack Smoker in Aokiji's presence and straight out attack Fujitora, being confident that he would be able to get rid of him, while being terrified to the core just hearing Kaido's name.
Doflamingo seemingly has no problem facing admirals and being "hunted" by them, as he has no problem blackmailing the leading figures of the WG, namely Imu and the Gorosei, saying they tried hard to kill him but couldn't.
How can Kaido as a single man cast so much fear and terror into a man that isn't afraid of blackmailing the entire World Government and being chased by their "strongest military force"? How strong is Kaido? Is this the reason Orochi was so confident in front of Cipher Pol Aigis Zero, saying there is no reason to be afraid of the WG as long as he is backed up by Kaido, shooting them into their mask and demanding, with the CP0 getting visibly nervous?
Orochi doesn't know anything.
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Law made Doflamingo choose between angering Kaido or giving up everything he built in the past 10 years being hunted by admirals (Plural):
When Doflamingo decided to give up everything and being hunted by admirals, Law, who didn't know of Doflamingo's heritage, said, that Doflamingo had no other choice, it was the only option:
Giving up everything he built and being targeted by multiple admirals is, according to Law, a better outcome as compared to having a kingdom, a lot of wealth and immunity from the Marines while potentially angering Kaido by being unable to deliver a product.
That aligns with the fact that Aokiji encouraged Smoker to have Akainu dispatch the admirals (again, Plural) and Doflamingo not being bothered to attack Smoker in Aokiji's presence and straight out attack Fujitora, being confident that he would be able to get rid of him, while being terrified to the core just hearing Kaido's name.
Doflamingo seemingly has no problem facing admirals and being "hunted" by them, as he has no problem blackmailing the leading figures of the WG, namely Imu and the Gorosei, saying they tried hard to kill him but couldn't.
How can Kaido as a single man cast so much fear and terror into a man that isn't afraid of blackmailing the entire World Government and being chased by their "strongest military force"? How strong is Kaido? Is this the reason Orochi was so confident in front of Cipher Pol Aigis Zero, saying there is no reason to be afraid of the WG as long as he is backed up by Kaido, shooting them into their mask and demanding, with the CP0 getting visibly nervous?
When Doflamingo decided to give up everything and being hunted by admirals, Law, who didn't know of Doflamingo's heritage, said, that Doflamingo had no other choice, it was the only option:
Giving up everything he built and being targeted by multiple admirals is, according to Law, a better outcome as compared to having a kingdom, a lot of wealth and immunity from the Marines while potentially angering Kaido by being unable to deliver a product.
That aligns with the fact that Aokiji encouraged Smoker to have Akainu dispatch the admirals (again, Plural) and Doflamingo not being bothered to attack Smoker in Aokiji's presence and straight out attack Fujitora, being confident that he would be able to get rid of him, while being terrified to the core just hearing Kaido's name.
Doflamingo seemingly has no problem facing admirals and being "hunted" by them, as he has no problem blackmailing the leading figures of the WG, namely Imu and the Gorosei, saying they tried hard to kill him but couldn't.
How can Kaido as a single man cast so much fear and terror into a man that isn't afraid of blackmailing the entire World Government and being chased by their "strongest military force"? How strong is Kaido? Is this the reason Orochi was so confident in front of Cipher Pol Aigis Zero, saying there is no reason to be afraid of the WG as long as he is backed up by Kaido, shooting them into their mask and demanding, with the CP0 getting visibly nervous?
While Doflamingo openly says that if Law really wanted to kill him, it would have been better to go through with the plan to set Kaido against him.
Oda also made the whole thing, making Orochi embarrass the five guys who are Roger and Kaido level+, stating that even if all of them, the Marines, and the Celestial Dragons joined forces, they couldn't overthrow this nation because of Kaido's support. They didn't even mention the borders or the positional advantages... I'm not sure what Oda's goal is in adding such extensive context that diminishes the gods of One Piece. He should reconsider how he portrays the five elders, the Holy Knights, where their leader, Garling, is the champion of God Valley for winning a hunting tournament against wounded and hungry slaves.
Green Bull, a Navy admiral, admitted to fearing Kaido, stating that Kaido's presence was what kept enemies (the Marines, the government, the Yonko, and others) away from Wano. He clearly said that if Kaido were here, I wouldn't have even come.
With Kinemon, who had his beloved Oden killed by Kaido, friends killed by Kaido, Wano devastated by Kaido, sent to the future to fight against Kaido, and even had Oden's wife murdered by Kaido, it's clear that the presence of Kaido was the factor that kept enemies of Green Bull's caliber and higher away from the nation of Wano.
