Le Fishe Thread Yonko bounties without crew and teritory

[Franosuke]

Kidd and especially law have 3B without any territories and meh crew though.

And they're still off from Shanks, Kaido and BM by over 1 billion despite being given credit in the takedown of 2 Yonko

Which suggests that, as expected, Yonko bounties are largely due to strength and a smaller but significant portion is due to other factors

Plus, it seems Yonko bounties get higher just with time. Buggy has all the reputation in the world to be a 4B+ Yonko yet they started him at 3B. Teach similarly started at 2B and shot up by seemingly doing not that much

 

[Erkan12]

2.5 years later and these guys are still crying about Mihawk having nothing but his individual strength yet still eclipsing half the Yonko in bounty, including his own fucking "captain."

I mean we legit have manga panels of Mihawk, Crocodile and Buggy receiving their bounties with the reasoning behind them. We also have manga panels of the OG Yonko bounties being revealed with direct emphasis on crews (Shanks) and territory (Big Mom).

Better yet, in the literal same page that Mihawk's bounty is revealed, Brannew cites Buggy "commanding" Mihawk/Crocodile and heading CG as a large part of his bounty. And I'm meant to believe that having a powerhouse of a crew and/or massive territory warrants a smaller proportion of one's bounty than the subordinate simply being associated with the captain?

This is getting to invisible seastone cuffs and air bar levels of cope, maybe even more.

Oda: ''Underlings gets extra bounty boosts from their captain''

Do you still not understand how Mihawk got bigger bounty when they think Buggy is as strong as Mihawk?

I know you have a Mihawk ZKK trauma which is obvious from your lying signature but its not that difficult to understand what Oda said.

 

[MonsterKaido]

And they're still off from Shanks, Kaido and BM by over 1 billion despite being given credit in the takedown of 2 Yonko

Which suggests that, as expected, Yonko bounties are largely due to strength and a smaller but significant portion is due to other factors

Plus, it seems Yonko bounties get higher just with time. Buggy has all the reputation in the world to be a 4B+ Yonko yet they started him at 3B. Teach similarly started at 2B and shot up by seemingly doing not that much

I think what matters way more is individual power if law and kidd are to be taken as an example. So all yonkos will lose 500 Mil or so by that logic.

 

[Franosuke]

Oda: ''Underlings gets extra bounty boosts from their captain''

Do you still not understand how Mihawk got bigger bounty when they think Buggy is as strong as Mihawk?

I know you have a Mihawk ZKK trauma which is obvious from your lying signature but its not that difficult to understand what Oda said.

You're right, it's not difficult to understand which is why I am confused that you still don't.

Subordinates get an association boost which seems to be a set number in the low 100Ms for the entire crew. However, this boost mostly applies to lesser crewmates whose individual accomplishments are relatively unknown.

This is why the Monster Trio, Robin and Jimbei get significantly larger bounty boosts than the others.

Your logic makes absolutely zero sense. It's paradoxical. You don't get a higher bounty than the captain due to association. Your association with the captain even warranting a bounty increase is evidence of the captain's infamous reputation being higher than your own.

 

[Erkan12]

And they're still off from Shanks, Kaido and BM by over 1 billion despite being given credit in the takedown of 2 Yonko

Which suggests that, as expected, Yonko bounties are largely due to strength and a smaller but significant portion is due to other factors

Plus, it seems Yonko bounties get higher just with time. Buggy has all the reputation in the world to be a 4B+ Yonko yet they started him at 3B. Teach similarly started at 2B and shot up by seemingly doing not that much

He thinks 3 billion Kid > 2.2 billion Emperor BB

You're right, it's not difficult to understand which is why I am confused that you still don't.

Subordinates get an association boost which seems to be a set number in the low 100Ms. However, this boost mostly applies to lesser crewmates whose individual accomplishments are relatively unknown.

This is why the Monster Trio, Robin and Jimbei get significantly larger bounty boosts than the others.

Your logic makes absolutely zero sense. It's paradoxical. You don't get a higher bounty than the captain due to association. Your association with the captain even warranting a bounty increase is evidence of the captain's infamous reputation being higher than your own.

Buggy being an Emperor is simply due to someone like Mihawk and Croco being underlings to him. Thats not how usual Emperors become Emperors so its a different case. Thats an anomaly.

So the moment Mihawk and Croc joined him as underlings, Mihawk and Croc got serious bounty increase which made Mihawk end up having bigger bounty than his captain. This is Oda's words underling gets bounty boost for being Emperor underlings. Mihawk already had a huge bounty as Marine Hunter plus joining an Emperor got him a huge increase.

Thats the reason for that anomaly. Without Mihawk joining an Emperor crew, his bounty would be lower than 3 billion and that was my miscalculation as I didn't (and no one knew) Mihawk was going to join an Emperor crew let alone he was also revealed as Marine Hunter which is another shocking information that I didn't know but of course since you cope with ZKK tier Mihawk agenda you still carry that lying signature in your quote out of desperation.

 

[Franosuke]

He thinks 3 billion Kid > 2.2 billion Emperor BB

Buggy being an Emperor is simply due to someone like Mihawk and Croco being underlings to him. Thats not how usual Emperors become Emperors so its a different case. Thats an anomaly.

So the moment Mihawk and Croc joined him as underlings, Mihawk and Croc got serious bounty increase which made Mihawk end up having bigger bounty than his captain. This is Oda's words underling gets bounty boost for being Emperor underlings. Mihawk already had a huge bounty as Marine Hunter plus joining an Emperor got him a huge increase.

Thats the reason for that anomaly. Without Mihawk joining an Emperor crew, his bounty would be lower than 3 billion and that was my miscalculation as I didn't (and no one knew) Mihawk was going to join an Emperor crew let alone he was also revealed as Marine Hunter which is another shocking information that I didn't know but of course since you cope with ZKK tier Mihawk agenda you still carry that lying signature in your quote out of desperation.

If you can find me where in the manga it is shown that Mihawk had a "huge bounty" due to marine hunting, or that the marine hunting had any major influence in his current bounty, I'd love to see it.

You're still jumping through hula hoops trying to justify Mihawk having a higher bounty than Buggy for any reason other than strength, when that is the only logical conclusion.

 

[haxxor]

This is just making Hawkeye look that much more awful

Oda really doesn’t give a shit about him the guy is a walking filler

 

[Erkan12]

If you can find me where in the manga it is shown that Mihawk had a "huge bounty" due to marine hunting, or that the marine hunting had any major influence in his current bounty, I'd love to see it.

You're still jumping through hula hoops trying to justify Mihawk having a higher bounty than Buggy for any reason other than strength, when that is the only logical conclusion.

-12 years ago Shanks had 1 billion bounty.

-Mihawk was already famous before even Pirate Age started meanwhile Shanks wasn't, Shanks started his crew after Roger died.

-So Mihawk not only had headstart advantage compared to Shanks, plus Mihawk was also famous for hunting Marines which is as dangerous as Dragon being Revolutionary. So don't even try to compare this pro Marine Hunting to fodder rookie Caribou's amateur Marine killing, thats like comparing Dragon with a fodder Revolutionary soldier.

So how much bounty ''Marine Hunter'' Mihawk had before joining Warlords?

Of course as I said Mihawk's bounty should be a huge bounty before even joining an Emperor crew which boosted him even more.

Because of this new informations: my statements about 3 billion also need update: ''Marine Hunter Mihawk who joined Emperor crew to get extra bounty boost should be minimum 4.5 billion if he is Shanks level.''

 

[Rej]

this quickly turned into a Le Fishe thread a la @Sir Tuna Sandwich II

 

[soupongo]

What ''officially'' mean for the pirates? Lmao.

They literally say they will get protection from SH pirates.



BB pirates know Law killed BM not killed Kaido:

Luffy beat Cracker +Kata not only Kata thats the difference


Oda: ''Underlings gets bounty boost from Captains.''

ZKKFans: 'No, we have our own ZKKuniverse where Captains gets bounty boost from their underlings, mighty ZKK underlings are the reason why weak captains are so stronk'

"I suppose we'll have too". But did they? It's never been confirmed that FMI flies Luffys flag now. There's no proof that any "territories" were counted when Luffy was given his bounties

 

[Kiiro]

Blackbeard’s bounty as a rookie Yonko and Whitebeard’s territories was 2.2 billion. Therefore we must automatically conclude that with zero territories and no crew that all Yonko would be far below the 2.2 billion mark. Since 2.2 billion Blackbeard did in fact have a crew and territories.

The Yonko would be somewhere below one billion given that the strongest pre-Nika Yonko was almost killed by a YC2 and his rival Hanafuda was in fact defeated by a YC2. The Yonko themselves are not worth 1 billion.

You are ignoring that we dont know what feats does that bounty represent or when was the last time it was updated.

The same Teach with no more feats had a higher bounty against Boa.

Besides, Oda gave him that bounty due the numbers to represent something.

At the end, its mere speculations

 

[LinlinLover]

Crews don’t matter, Law doesn’t have shit like territories or a good crew and got 3B. Blackbeard has an ex-admiral and still only has 3.9B. It’s about individual power and experience. Senior yonkos have higher bounties.

Don't you know the WG only gave Law and Kid their 3B bounties as a coverup for Nika? ☝🤓

 

[Rumble]

Bounties reflect threat levels.

Threats are a matter of perception. One doesn't need to be in control of anyone or anything to warrant a high bounty, affiliation is enough.

Subordinates get higher bounties from being affiliated with Yonkou, and Yonkou get higher bounties for being perceived in control.

It's ridiculous this needs explaining.

 

[BOCCHI]

I can agree with these bounties yeah, but why is Mihawk there 😂 he ain’t a yonko and if we just wanna include him for the sake of him being a top tier and on their level he is at best 3B to 3.1B

 

[MonsterKaido]

Bounties reflect threat levels.

Threats are a matter of perception. One doesn't need to be in control of anyone or anything to warrant a high bounty, affiliation is enough.

Subordinates get higher bounties from being affiliated with Yonkou, and Yonkou get higher bounties for being perceived in control.

It's ridiculous this needs explaining.

Did Kidd warranted being perceived as more threatening than post skip 2.2B Blackbeard?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Did Kidd warranted being perceived as more threatening than post skip 2.2B Blackbeard?

That was retconned.

 

[Rumble]

Crews don’t matter, Law doesn’t have shit like territories or a good crew and got 3B. Blackbeard has an ex-admiral and still only has 3.9B. It’s about individual power and experience. Senior yonkos have higher bounties.

As far the WG is concened, Law is closely associated with the Strawhats and Kid Pirates, i.e. he represents 1/3 of an unholy alliance that is a direct threat to their hegemony.

Did Kidd warranted being perceived as more threatening than post skip 2.2B Blackbeard?

I don't agree with Kid or Law having equal bounties to Luffy, or even more than the bounty Blackbeard had after the timeskip, but I accept that what Oda is communicating with that is how the WG perceives them.

From their view they're probably deeply disturbed that the most prominent of the new generation aren't just running roughshod over the status quo and going as far as diposing Yonkou, these motherfuckers actually get along in their own way, and the longer they are allowed to live, they stronger not only they will become, but their influence on future generations of pirates.

Individually, each of them is formidable as it is, but what they represent together is a new age of piracy the WG wants no part of.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

This is profound headcanon. When Shanks and the BBP talked about their bounties, they weren’t referencing some nebulous role as leaders of an Alliance. They used it to estimate strength.

Sure, Kid and Law aren’t as strong as Luffy. But this is a flaw with the bounty system as a whole. It doesn’t mean the bounties aren’t based off strength.

If Law and Kid aren't as strong as Luffy, and if they didn't get their bounties from territories and huge crews, then what do you think made them get the same bounties as Luffy? It matters not what anyone says about their bounties because they have no clue how they got it. Besides, we only got, "Oh, this level of feat is to be expected of a 3 billion man," kind of statements from them, and it's completely different from a "if he's a able to do this, he deserves a 3 billion bounty" kind of reaction.

 

[Rumble]

I think Luffy's 3bn bounty is fine, I just don't like that it's a flat figure. I wouldn't preferred something like 3.056bn.

Also don't like that Zoro and Sanji have lower bounties than King and Queen.

Mihawk's bounty is too high for the simple fact he doesn't do much or affiliate himself with anyone the WG would consider a threat. So long as he's left alone, no one's got anything to be worried about, and the WG know he's amenable to dealing.

It's dumb we don't know the bounties of Rayleigh or Gaban when we have Roger's.

Ace's bounty as the #2 is also too low, but I think his was before Oda figured out how high he wanted to take the bounties, imo his should be around 1.1bn.

 

[park_min young]

Don't you know the WG only gave Law and Kid their 3B bounties as a coverup for Nika? ☝🤓

Then simultaneously made Nika a new emperor and focus of attention? It’s nonsensical, Law and Kid‘s bounties are every bit as legitimate as Mihawk’s 3.6. CG warlords also benefitted from a teamup of 3 warlords and actively being a threat to the marines. We don’t know how much that affected their bounties lol.

It’s not just Kid and Law, none of the new bounties are deserved in case anyone noticed. Even Dory and Brogy have way higher bounties than Katakuri or Marco now LOL. Literal inflation, Mihawk‘s probably way less than 3.6 if his bounty didn’t get revealed in this era of inflation. We know Oda is bullshitting some of these numbers to hype up some old cats too.

Anyways, my initial post is still accurate. Bounties are just a device for gauging a character’s individual strength. This has always been the original purpose of it. A rough ballpark, higher bounties means stronger new opponent for our heroes to beat. Any in-universe reason or justification is overthinking it especially for post-Wano bounties. There’s no rhyme or reason anymore to some of these new bounties.