General & Others Yonko crew: the Beast Pirates
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Well I can see RS Sanji beating Queen this arc but I would have a hard time seeing him beat Doffy instead xd maybe it would be too soon
I also feel the gap between King and Queen is not small and Katakuri might be slightly stronger than King
It's just pure speculation of course, no way to know in advance
I also feel the gap between King and Queen is not small and Katakuri might be slightly stronger than King
It's just pure speculation of course, no way to know in advance
Well I can see RS Sanji beating Queen this arc but I would have a hard time seeing him beat Doffy instead xd maybe it would be too soon
I also feel the gap between King and Queen is not small and Katakuri might be slightly stronger than King
It's just pure speculation of course, no way to know in advance
I also feel the gap between King and Queen is not small and Katakuri might be slightly stronger than King
It's just pure speculation of course, no way to know in advance
Zoro vs Kyoshiro, Sanji vs Drake, King vs Marco, Queen vs Kidd, Jack vs Moria.
I like them. The smile users like Holdem and Dobon are funny as fuck. The Calamities are all pretty intimidating, although I am kinda disappointed with Jack's portrayal recently.
In an all out battle, I feel that Big Mom's crew is slightly stronger. The Sweet Commanders have trickier powers to deal with and they seem more organized. She also seems to have better soldiers above fodder level(although that is yet to be confirmed when we see all the Flying Six).
On the other hand, Big Mom is not very respected by her crew, they just fear her. We don't know if it is the same case with Kaido. Of course he is feared, but I get the feeling that he is also respected by some.
In an all out battle, I feel that Big Mom's crew is slightly stronger. The Sweet Commanders have trickier powers to deal with and they seem more organized. She also seems to have better soldiers above fodder level(although that is yet to be confirmed when we see all the Flying Six).
On the other hand, Big Mom is not very respected by her crew, they just fear her. We don't know if it is the same case with Kaido. Of course he is feared, but I get the feeling that he is also respected by some.
I like the Beasts Pirates, I like how they are a animal theme crew with the top members being ancient zoans and while I'm not a huge fan of regular zoans I do however really like both ancient zoans and mythical zoans. At first I wasn't a huge fan of the SMILE users but I got used to them after a while and now I really like them, the only thing I really want to see is a decently strong SMILE user unfortunately so far we haven't seen one yet.
Big Mom is respected by her crew yeah they fear her if she gets mad but they also respect her, this was shown multiple times with characters such as Smoothie, Oven, Tamago, Pekoms, and others. It's probably the same thing with Kaido as well, they fear him but they also respect him.
Big Mom is respected by her crew yeah they fear her if she gets mad but they also respect her, this was shown multiple times with characters such as Smoothie, Oven, Tamago, Pekoms, and others. It's probably the same thing with Kaido as well, they fear him but they also respect him.
I actually was hoping beast pirates to be more diverse and badass in character design. I mean, sure king and other high tier is awesome. But the smile user are all kinda disappointing to me. And wano country has been messed up a lot by those weapon making company, only some place actually still look beautiful now. The security and hierarcy system still not that interesting for me as well. Maybe that's simply because I prefer disney like theme that BMP has. Hopefully they has more interesting stuff in onigashima.
Honnestly one of the things I like the most about the Beast Pirates is that they are really more militarized and organized than most pirate crew and use more advanced tech and weapons than most other crews such as Caesar's chemical weapons, Queen's biological weapons, the decapitating collars, seastone bullets and long-range cannons.
So far I only like Kaido,Queen and Jack which is a shame.King(also Kata from BMs crew) to me looks more like he is a member of prime Moria's crew,then the Beast pirates.From the weaker headliners so far only Sheepshead(His smile DF is cool) and Gin Rummy are aight,the rest of them suck.Those smile users on ships that were fighting the SN/SH/Mink/Samurai have better designs then headliners that were introduced so far.I definitely expect F5 to have cool designs,personalities and DFs,but I expected way more from the rest of the crew and hope Oda doesn't disappoint us.It's like Oda put more effort and time into BMs crew with the likes of Tamago,Pekoms,Amande,Raisin,Brownie,Moscato,Opera,Galette,
Brulee,Cinnamon....those guys aren't even the top members of the crew.
Brulee,Cinnamon....those guys aren't even the top members of the crew.
Like with the Big Mom Pirates, I'm largely underwhelmed.
The idea of SMILE users was an exciting one, especially since we've known that it's rare to obtain a finished fruit. You'd expect SMILE users to be something a little more intimidating than Holdem, Doban or Speed. They're glorified fodder with an interesting gimmick. It also makes me wonder exactly what the rest of Kaido's crew looked like ~3 years ago, before the production of SMILE was around. Did no one else in his crew have devil fruits? Was everyone just weaker? It feels real odd for someone like Kaido to have tens of thousands of foot soldiers with no discernible skills or abilities.
The structure, goals, and maintenance of the Beast Pirates is also confusing. So far, we only know that each Calamity presumably rules another region of Wano and continues to produce weapons or break the spirits of prisoners for recruitment. That's cool, but it's surface level. We don't know what other responsibilities the All Stars have or what 90% of the Beast Pirates do in Wano other than wait to be beat up. It's been a controlled land for 20 odd years now, with the local government in favor of the Beast Pirates. Sans a few rebels, you'd think they have a lot of free time on their hands. Compare that to the Big Mom Pirates who each have islands they attend to, marriages they undertake and nations they visit for confectionery taxation. The Beast Pirates come off as very barren.
The All Stars seem genuinely interesting. I enjoy their fruits—Page1 and X Drake's as well—alongside their personalities. But they need more screen time to be semi-fleshed out. We've had them for awhile, so it's not like Oda hasn't had the opportunity to do so. He just hasn't. Kaido has been a major disappointment. I feel like we know nothing about him what he does, how he pursues his dream of pirate king (or world war). He's just there and drunk.
The idea of SMILE users was an exciting one, especially since we've known that it's rare to obtain a finished fruit. You'd expect SMILE users to be something a little more intimidating than Holdem, Doban or Speed. They're glorified fodder with an interesting gimmick. It also makes me wonder exactly what the rest of Kaido's crew looked like ~3 years ago, before the production of SMILE was around. Did no one else in his crew have devil fruits? Was everyone just weaker? It feels real odd for someone like Kaido to have tens of thousands of foot soldiers with no discernible skills or abilities.
The structure, goals, and maintenance of the Beast Pirates is also confusing. So far, we only know that each Calamity presumably rules another region of Wano and continues to produce weapons or break the spirits of prisoners for recruitment. That's cool, but it's surface level. We don't know what other responsibilities the All Stars have or what 90% of the Beast Pirates do in Wano other than wait to be beat up. It's been a controlled land for 20 odd years now, with the local government in favor of the Beast Pirates. Sans a few rebels, you'd think they have a lot of free time on their hands. Compare that to the Big Mom Pirates who each have islands they attend to, marriages they undertake and nations they visit for confectionery taxation. The Beast Pirates come off as very barren.
The All Stars seem genuinely interesting. I enjoy their fruits—Page1 and X Drake's as well—alongside their personalities. But they need more screen time to be semi-fleshed out. We've had them for awhile, so it's not like Oda hasn't had the opportunity to do so. He just hasn't. Kaido has been a major disappointment. I feel like we know nothing about him what he does, how he pursues his dream of pirate king (or world war). He's just there and drunk.
One interesting theme of the Beast Pirates is how Kaido "dehumanizes" his subordinates and turns them into animals. You can think of Kaido, king of the beasts, as a beast tamer. The all-mighty mythical eastern dragon is the god of all animals and rest of the animal kingdom is at his beck and call. One reason why I believe Oda made Kaido the only mythical Zoan in the Beast Pirates (Orochi is doing his own thing with his own subordinates over in Wano, but they still very clearly serve Kaido) was to visually establish the hierarchy between Kaido and the lesser animals. The calamities, the Numbers, the Flying Six, all Zoan-themed but lesser Ancient Zoans and below. All the way down to the Artificial Zoan, those flawed partial animal SMILES, and regular riff raff like the Waiters who are in line to become some inferior form of animal themselves.
Expanding on the theme is how you see typical behavior in the Beast Pirates has been influenced by Kaido's philosophy that they're all animals. Jack introduced us to the Beast Pirates. Jack is a simple brute, a barbarian, he wants to wipe out Zou and he won't take no for an answer. Limited intellectual or emotional capacity, he's not there to reason. He's what you call a complete animal, no offense to the actual animals who live in Zou of course. The Minks acting like civilized saints was dramatic irony. Jack brought with him the Gifters and the Pleasures, one which have been partially transformed into beasts and the other have become less human by virtue of their lack of emotional expression. What kind of human can't even cry? The Pleasures laugh at their own pain and their own defeat, they been dehumanized inside Kaido's crew.
Another interesting phenomenon is how people in Wano not part of the Beast Pirates have been influenced by this theme as well. We have Urashima, a local Yokozuna of Wano who has never been a pirate a day in his life, eating dinner with Mouseman who whispers into his ear how he should live his life. Mouseman tells Urashima that if he wants Kiku, he just take her by force. They finish their serving and Urashima tells the shop owner he wants to eat his prized pet, and that he can't be refused. Urashima was not being enabled his natural inclinations, he was being transformed into an animal by the influence of the Beast Pirates.
Finally, in Udon prison we get a look at just how exactly Kaido conducts his recruiting policy, what he thinks it means to be a member of his crew. He wants to break Kid, Luffy, and Kamawatsu's spirits in prison. They have good potential, but they will run around like Shutenmaru and never serve him otherwise. Kaido needs to put them down, he has to subjugate these people before he believes they're ready to be Beast Pirates. Normal people may join pirate crews because they're inspired, they were convinced, they were recruited through some sort of connection. But words and emotions aren't how you train or domesticate animals. Kaido himself directly breaks people with force in order to turn them into simply beasts that obey, fear him and engage in endless fighting. In essence, the Beast Pirates are truly a crew of non-humans.
Expanding on the theme is how you see typical behavior in the Beast Pirates has been influenced by Kaido's philosophy that they're all animals. Jack introduced us to the Beast Pirates. Jack is a simple brute, a barbarian, he wants to wipe out Zou and he won't take no for an answer. Limited intellectual or emotional capacity, he's not there to reason. He's what you call a complete animal, no offense to the actual animals who live in Zou of course. The Minks acting like civilized saints was dramatic irony. Jack brought with him the Gifters and the Pleasures, one which have been partially transformed into beasts and the other have become less human by virtue of their lack of emotional expression. What kind of human can't even cry? The Pleasures laugh at their own pain and their own defeat, they been dehumanized inside Kaido's crew.
Another interesting phenomenon is how people in Wano not part of the Beast Pirates have been influenced by this theme as well. We have Urashima, a local Yokozuna of Wano who has never been a pirate a day in his life, eating dinner with Mouseman who whispers into his ear how he should live his life. Mouseman tells Urashima that if he wants Kiku, he just take her by force. They finish their serving and Urashima tells the shop owner he wants to eat his prized pet, and that he can't be refused. Urashima was not being enabled his natural inclinations, he was being transformed into an animal by the influence of the Beast Pirates.
Finally, in Udon prison we get a look at just how exactly Kaido conducts his recruiting policy, what he thinks it means to be a member of his crew. He wants to break Kid, Luffy, and Kamawatsu's spirits in prison. They have good potential, but they will run around like Shutenmaru and never serve him otherwise. Kaido needs to put them down, he has to subjugate these people before he believes they're ready to be Beast Pirates. Normal people may join pirate crews because they're inspired, they were convinced, they were recruited through some sort of connection. But words and emotions aren't how you train or domesticate animals. Kaido himself directly breaks people with force in order to turn them into simply beasts that obey, fear him and engage in endless fighting. In essence, the Beast Pirates are truly a crew of non-humans.