Questions & Mysteries Yonkou's fall before WG confirmed

[Celestial D. Dragon]

Blackbeard is still going to be the final villain. The guy is an anomaly, and was given the most powerful Logia Devil, and most powerful Paramecia devil fruit. Anyone who has played any kind of RPG, or read any kind of Action/Adventure fictional story in their lives knows that this is classic setup for final villain status.

The World Government and Blackbeard will both fall in the Final War. What I am predicting is while Luffy reaches Laugh Tale and finds the One Piece, becoming Pirate King, Blackbeard will be invading Mariejois, will kill Im, and sit on the World throne. It'll set up the final fight between the Pirate King vs the King of the World. Sun Wukong vs The Jade Emperor.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yonkos are the simply annoying mid game bosses you bully to level up before facing the true powerhouse at the end.

Imu

 

[King7]

Regardless of Poneglyphs , yeah 3 are falling before the World Government .

• Kaido and Big Mom are falling this arc
• Shanks is next , by Teach .

i even think these interludes between Acts are building up Shanks vs Teach .

actually i think Mihawk will be included in Shanks' side as well , and Pluton for Teach's side .
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only Teach has a chance to go down at the same time or after the World Government .

but even then i don't believe this shit . he is going down before the World Government imo

he is the second Xebec , and we know Xebec went down by Roger and Garp while the World Government stayed strong .

plus while i believe Teach will get a big boost in 1 of Ancient Weapons ( Pluton ) , i believe the World Government basically has 2 Ancient Weapons ( Marine SSG's weapon and Mariejois National Treasure - Uranus )

plus , overall the World Government is just a vastly bigger and more powerful organization than Blackbeard Pirates .

plus , i think this Manga will be ended with Ds vs Celestial Dragons , instead of D vs D that Luffy vs Teach is .

Etc.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Regardless of Poneglyphs , yeah 3 are falling before the World Government .

• Kaido and Big Mom are falling this arc
• Shanks is next , by Teach .

i even think these interludes between Acts are building up Shanks vs Teach .

actually i think Mihawk will be included in Shanks' side as well , and Pluton for Teach's side .
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only Teach has a chance to go down at the same time or after the World Government .

but even then i don't believe this shit . he is going down before the World Government imo

he is the second Xebec , and we know Xebec went down by Roger and Garp while the World Government stayed strong .

plus while i believe Teach will get a big boost in 1 of Ancient Weapons ( Pluton ) , i believe the World Government basically has 2 Ancient Weapons ( Marine SSG's weapon and Mariejois National Treasure - Uranus )

plus , overall the World Government is just a vastly bigger and more powerful organization than Blackbeard Pirates .

plus , i think this Manga will be ended with Ds vs Celestial Dragons , instead of D vs D that Luffy vs Teach is .

Etc.

I fundamentally disagree with this common idea that Shanks is being taken out by Blackbeard. Not even sure why its such a pitched theory. Shanks is not an all good, friendly pirate. People should have gotten this the moment he was shown to be discussing matters with the Gorosei over a pirate, who is very likely not blackbeard because Shanks has already expressed his disdain and concern over Blackbeard to Whitebeard, so to keep that a mystery at this point makes no sense

 

[King7]

I fundamentally disagree with this common idea that Shanks is being taken out by Blackbeard. Not even sure why its such a pitched theory. Shanks is not an all good, friendly pirate. People should have gotten this the moment he was shown to be discussing matters with the Gorosei over a pirate, who is very likely not blackbeard because Shanks has already expressed his disdain and concern over Blackbeard to Whitebeard, so to keep that a mystery at this point makes no sense

i think Teach is the strongest candidate . Shanks is strongly tied to him and always kept an eye to him

• like you said , Shanks already warned about Teach to WB
• those eye scars from Teach's 3 metal claws
• in Marineford , Shanks challenged him to a battle ( but Teach postponed it )

maybe Oda kept it as a mystery so that the readers would be curious .

if it was not Teach , then who do you think Shanks wanted to talk about ?

 

[Yasuda]

Big Meme and Kaido get taken down in Wano -> Luffy meets Shanks and all that -> Shanks showdown with Teach (while Luffy recovers or something) ending in Shanks's death after Teach uses an Ancient Weapon on him -> from here I'm unsure

This is how I see it right now. Seems like a triple threat, Luffy Alliance vs Teach vs World Government but I'm not sure how it will play out.

 

[Formerly Seth]

Of course, they will like wtf!? Yonko only rules over small portions of the world. World Government "rules" over the entire world.

Taking out Yonko one by one won't resolve the problem of terrible things like slavery and making poor countries pay the heavenly tribute for "protection" from the World Government.

 

[Paperchampion23]

i think Teach is the strongest candidate . Shanks is strongly tied to him and always kept an eye to him

• like you said , Shanks already warned about Teach to WB
• those eye scars from Teach's 3 metal claws
• in Marineford , Shanks challenged him to a battle ( but Teach postponed it )

maybe Oda kept it as a mystery so that the readers would be curious .

if it was not Teach , then who do you think Shanks wanted to talk about ?

Recall what happened right before he talked to the Gorosei. What big news did Shanks read about? No joke, Oda picked that time period to have Shanks talk to them, not anytime before. Blackbeard did nothing notable before this to warrant a conversation.


Just saying, don't take everything at face value yet with Shanks. We dont know enough about him.

Edit:
My point is, I dont believe Shanks is this perfectly great pirate. I believe there is a morally Grey element to his character. There is a ton of mysterious air about him and some of that was even questioned during the Oden flashback, when Roger gave him an unknown answer to his question and he cried.

Think about who Zoro is supposed to fight last in this series and who that person is mostly associated with. Think about the time period of when Shanks went to the Gorosei and what news came out around then, or even why he's talking to genocidal tenyruubito leaders in the first place. Think about his age, and what events occurred around his birth. Think about how this story began and who was there. Think about the fact that Oda planned his ending before even starting the manga, and Shanks was the only other major character in Chapter 1 with Luffy as a result of that idea, not to mention the narrative goals introduced there (i.e. returning the hat). Blackbeard wasn't even mentioned until 140 chapters in, and not physically shown until 220 chapters in. He didn't even become this major, threatening villain until 550 chapters in.

There is something bigger going in here. Oda wouldn't have made it a huge plot twist to have him talking to the Gorosei otherwise and make it a shocking thing to read.

 

[trav]

was there some kind of redefinition of the word "confirmed" that I missed?
all the sites I checked still had the original meaning.

 

[BlackLegFring]

I always thought that was fairly obvious. Nothing is going to have a greater oomph than taking down the organization that has ruled for over 800 years and is the complete opposite of the freedom that Luffy seeks. Luffy cannot be free as long as the Celestial Dragons remain in power.

 

[King7]

I always thought that was fairly obvious. Nothing is going to have a greater oomph than taking down the organization that has ruled for over 800 years and is the complete opposite of the freedom that Luffy seeks. Luffy cannot be free as long as the Celestial Dragons remain in power.

Yeah defeating the World Government will be the hardest thing ever to do .

i even think Luffy and Monkey D Dragon will have to get past Akainu and Kong first before they get to Imu .

speaking of Kong's possible DF , Sun Wukong Mythical Zoan is the strongest candidate .

Spoiler

this could be the strongest Zoan , surpassing Sengoku's and possibly Kaido's .​

 

[Erkan12]

Enel fall before Lucci and Moria, but he was still stronger than them.

 

[Finalbeta]

Enel fall before Lucci and Moria, but he was still stronger than them.

Why then?

He never fought them. At least you could make an argument for Lucci being capable of hitting him now but in the past hakiless Lucci could not even harm him even though he got at least the speed to get him. But Moria even lacks the speed to defeat Eneru.

 

[Red Admiral]

yes .... Imu gonna be final villain ... and admirals would be the underling of the main boss

the would be what Jack , Queen or King are in Wano

 

[MarineHQ]

yes .... Imu gonna be final villain ... and admirals would be the underling of the main boss

the would be what Jack , Queen or King are in Wano

Faulty comparison.

Admirals " WG'S Greatest/strongest military weapon"

If the Admirals don't do the main fighting, then who does?

Or is there a panel confirming that Imu or the Gorosei are Top Tier fighters?

Man people don't have to be so petty because Admirals are reserved for when Yonkou are gone

 

[Red Admiral]

Faulty comparison.

Admirals " WG'S Greatest/strongest military weapon"

If the Admirals don't do the main fighting, then who does?

Or is there a panel confirming that Imu or the Gorosei are Top Tier fighters?

Man people don't have to be so petty because Admirals are reserved for when Yonkou are gone

Admirals " WG'S Greatest/strongest ACTIVE military weapon"
people like Gorosei or Imu are not active ...

I have a panel to prove Gorosei don't respect Akainu or Marine that much :)

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honestly ... Admirals are not even bad people

Akainu ... wants evil die ... in harsh way .... but not evil himself
Kizaru ... not a bad man
Fujitora ... not a bad man
Sengoku ... can be really harsh but not a bad man

Imu is the ruler of the world
Gorosei kiss his ass ... while have no respect for admirals and marine
he is evil
he is the final enemy of gods


you honestly think Oda wouldn't make Imu or gods the final enemy and not show us a D clan Vs Gods ....
just to make admirals final villain of the story?
like REALLY?
HONESLY?
cause .... I doubt it ... you are smarter than that


sure you can deny it for now ... but what's the point?


admirals are solders and underling of main villains ... not the villain themselves
as I said they would be Jacks , Queens and Marcos of end of war ... not Kaidos and Teachs
it can't be more clear ...
I don't even know why people bother to deny


p.s

Admirals are underlings to Akainu
Akainu is an underling to Kong
Kong is an underling to Gorosei
Gorosei are underlings to Imu

Akainu and admirals are nowhere near the top .... not bad people ... not enemies of gods ... and not powerful enough

for fuck sake Luffy gonna fight PRIME TEACH .... and you think Akainu gonna be a boss fight to him?
Sabo or Dragon will end that fight

 

[MarineHQ]

Admirals " WG'S Greatest/strongest ACTIVE military weapon"
people like Gorosei or Imu are not active ...

Where does the active come from, i don't remember reading it in the official translation. It's also interesting to note that this means Three Admirals > Shichibukai and CP0.

I have a panel to prove Gorosei don't respect Akainu or Marine that much :)

The Navy is just the WG's military. Akainu tried to stick his nose in matters concerning authority and considering that not even the FA has a say in it, this line makes sense. The WG runs much deeper than the Marines, still, if they wanna pick a fight, they sent the Marines and not CP0.

Also, Akainu disrespected the Gorosei as well. He gave them an order to never attempt anything like that again.
That was an equal exchange of disrespect.

honestly ... Admirals are not even bad people

Akainu ... wants evil die ... in harsh way .... but not evil himself
Kizaru ... not a bad man
Fujitora ... not a bad man
Sengoku ... can be really harsh but not a bad man

They never were bad people, not even Akainu. The introduction of Sword has given the Marines great importance. At some point it's a given that a marine branch will officially part ways with the Government and stand alone.

Imu is the ruler of the world
Gorosei kiss his ass ... while have no respect for admirals and marine
he is evil
he is the final enemy of gods

Don't go saying that. The Gorosei talked down to both Admiral and Yonkou, it just means that their fear of Imu is greater. This doesn't have to be a powerscaling issue.

you honestly think Oda wouldn't make Imu or gods the final enemy and not show us a D clan Vs Gods

Who amongs the CD can fight?
Gorosei + IM. You think these 6 can fight the entire world ?
This is not Naruto. Individual characters are not near almighty. The Marines and CP0 will be beat first, and then the Tenryuubito or simultaneously.

just to make admirals final villain of the story?
like REALLY?
HONESLY?
cause .... I doubt it ... you are smarter than that

I never said that Admirals are the last enemy. They're one of the last enemies. They're EOS antagonists, not even BB will be as important as Imu.

Akainu will either fight Luffy or Dragon or maybe even Sabo. Either way, I'm good with each of that.

admirals are solders and underling of main villains ... not the villain themselves
as I said they would be Jacks , Queens and Marcos of end of war ... not Kaidos and Teachs
it can't be more clear ...
I don't even know why people bother to deny

Who denies that ?
An underling can still have a crucial role. The Admirals are literally the strongest bodyguards of the CD. Each of them will likely get a backstory.

Hell Greenbull isn't even introduced yet. There's a lot of Admiral related plot in the story, not even including Kuzan who has a very important role to come with BB.

Admirals are underlings to Akainu
Akainu is an underling to Kong
Kong is an underling to Gorosei
Gorosei are underlings to Imu

Akainu and admirals are nowhere near the top .... not bad people ... not enemies of gods ... and not powerful enough

for fuck sake Luffy gonna fight PRIME TEACH .... and you think Akainu gonna be a boss fight to him?
Sabo or Dragon will end that fight

Akainu will be one of Luffy's Boss fights. That is going to be a fucking World War, not Onigashima raid. It won't end in a single day. Luffy beats Akainu while Imu beats Dragon as hype for him, then Luffy steps up.

PS: I'm also ok with Akainu killing Dragon, then beaten by Sabo ;)

Either way, Akainu will have a lot of plot left. I'm convinced of it.

I don't even think that the other Admirals will be that important.

 

[Red Admiral]

I never said that Admirals are the last enemy. They're one of the last enemies. They're EOS antagonists

so we are in same page ....

sure ... Admirals are EOS antagonists .... but may I ask what kind of convolution we can get from this in terms of comparing them to pervious MAIN villains?

general story rule in a story like one piece is "The Final boss of later arcs should be stronger than The final boss of earlier arc"
and this rule ONLY matter when when we are talking about last enemy aka the boss


why being AMONG EOS antagonists should means they are either stronger or more important than pervious MAIN villains
they can be ... or not .... there is no rule about it ... I'm both a publish writer and professional editor and I can say safely there is not rule for hype or dehype any character base on that

cause with this logic ...
every single member of WG fighters can be count as an EOS antagonist



so please do tell ... why admirals being among EOS antagonists should means they are more important/stronger than let's Kaido in terms of story stand point

base on what general rule?

and if not ... which trust me there is none ... why even mention that as a plus point for them COMPARE to Yonko?



p.s
and about ACTIVE PART ... the chapter than Kuzan meet Robin with SHP ... Robin mention that "ACTIVE" part


p.s2
Admirals being among EOS antagonists means a lot for themselves as a character .... hopefully we can much more from them
I'm just saying this is not an argument for using in Yonko Vs Admirals ...

this is mainly about character arc and role .... not power level and tbh over all importance
but it can help the importance for sure ... hopefully

 

[Luffy bin Dragon]

Ladmirals will be taken out by side characters while Luffy fights Imu. Scrabo will fight Lakazuki

 

[Excelsion]

Ladmirals aren’t going to be the final villain

Final or Pre-final.