Character Discussion You need to understand that Oda will never be able to write Zoro properly

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Oh brother.

 

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I'm not arguing culture here, my point is that its a highly competitive skill based pyramid that you have to climb and that is similar to what Zoro himself is doing. That experience and lifestyle alone is enough for Oda to relate to Zoro, which you claim is what he needs to be able to write him properly.

Oda and Zoro clearly have different mentalities...

They aren't built the same hence why he can't write him...

Like I said writing is subjective meanwhile Zoro wants to be objectively the best...

 

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Oda and Zoro clearly have different mentalities...

They aren't built the same hence why he can't write him...

Like I said writing is subjective meanwhile Zoro wants to be objectively the best...

The mentality of working hard and competing against others who want to be the best in the same field your working in is literally what Zoro is going through. On what basis would Oda relate to Sanjis dream? or mentality?; does Oda believe in something that no one else believes in?, does he religiously follow a set of codes given to him by his adoptive father figure?, maybe he has experience with starvation?. What makes Oda able to write Sanji better than Zoro in your mind?.

 

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The mentality of working hard and competing against others who want to be the best in the same field your working in is literally what Zoro is going through. On what basis would Oda relate to Sanjis dream? or mentality?; does Oda believe in something that no one else believes in?, does he religiously follow a set of codes given to him by his adoptive father figure?, maybe he has experience with starvation?. What makes Oda able to write Sanji better than Zoro in your mind?.

Sanji experienced bullying
Oda experienced bullying

Oda is a pervert
Sanji is a pervert

Sanji is kind
Oda is kind

Again writing is a different field buddy in you won't accept it but that's the truth

 

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You're expecting someone who got bullied his whole life and had parental issues to write a stand up man who only wants to be great.

Zoro is the complete opposite of Oda that's why he struggles on giving Zoro his proper characterization and depth.

Luffy don't have the same drive to be the best he just wants to be free and protect his friends he don't have the intention to conquer whatsoever.

Same reason why he leans towards Sanji more in characterization and depth.

Same reason why he fumbled Kaido and every antagonist who had the potential to be great.

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Is this thread mocking that Kid thread

 

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Sanji experienced bullying
Oda experienced bullying

Oda is a pervert
Sanji is a pervert

Sanji is kind
Oda is kind

Again writing is a different field buddy in you won't accept it but that's the truth

Zoro is a hardworker
Oda is a hardworker

Zoro is in a competitive field
Oda is in a competitive field

Zoros is going to hold the number 1 spot in a skill based field
Oda holds the number 1 spot in a skill based field

Zoro dedicated significant time in his day working and honing his craft
Oda dedicated significant time in his day working and honing his craft

 

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Zoro is a hardworker
Oda is a hardworker

Zoro is in a competitive field
Oda is in a competitive field

Zoros is going to the the number 1 spot is a skilled based field
Oda holds the number 1 spot in a skilled based field

Zoro dedicated significant time in his day working and honing his craft
Oda dedicated significant time in his day working and honing his craft

Trying to be the best and being 1 without trying is way different...

You can clearly see oda leans more towards sanji...

Oda don't have that dog in him like zoro does...

 

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Trying to be the best and being 1 without trying is way different...

You can clearly see oda leans more towards sanji...

Oda don't have that dog in him like zoro does...

Sanji is trying to find something no one believe exists, is Oda doing the same?, if not, then he can't possibly write Sanji properly. This is the level of your argumentation.

 

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Sanji is trying to find something no one believe exists, is Oda doing the same?, if not, then he can't possibly write Sanji properly. This is the level of your argumentation.

Oda just wanted to create his own story it has nothing to do with trying to being the best.

Same as Sanji who just wants to achieve his dreams without trying to be the best

 

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Oda just wanted to create his own story it has nothing to do with trying to being the best.

Same as Sanji who just wants to achieve his dreams without trying to be the best

Zoro wants to be the best at something and Sanji wants to find a place no one believes exists. Oda is doing neither so he can't write either properly. This is your argument.

 

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Zoro wants to be the best at something and Sanji wants to find a place no one believes exists. Oda is doing neither so he can't write either properly. This is your argument.

Its not their dreams alone its their whole personality and characterization if you think zoro is more oda than sanji then there is your problem

 

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Its not their dreams alone its their whole personality and characterization if you think zoro is more oda than sanji then there is your problem

But Oda shares with Zoro some aspects, not all, just like he does with Sanji. So it should be enough to satisfy the condition you laid out. Oda and Sanji are not the same and neither are Oda and Zoro, but you can see how certain aspects of these characters may relate to Oda.

 

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But Oda shares with Zoro some aspects, not all, just like he does with Sanji. So it should be enough to satisfy the condition you laid out. Oda and Sanji are not the same and neither are Oda and Zoro, but you can see how certain aspects of these characters may relate to Oda.

Yeah but that's why I said oda leans more towards sanji.... We going in circles man

 

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Yeah but that's why I said oda leans more towards sanji.... We going in circles man

So you just admitted that he does share some aspects with Zoro, then there is no excuse for him to not be able to write him properly. Since you just said its not a condition that he shares all aspects but some.

 

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So you just admitted that he does share some aspects with Zoro, then there is no excuse for him to not be able to write him properly. Since you just said its not a condition that he shares all aspects but some.

I never said he doesn't I always said it ain't as much...

Always said it's not on the same grit...or playing field but its there

Always said oda leans toward sanji

Are u reading properly?

 

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I never said he doesn't I always said it ain't as much...

Always said it's not on the same grit...or playing field but its there

Always said oda leans toward sanji

Are u reading properly?

"Zoro is the complete opposite".......this is what you said, are you remembering properly?. How can he be the complete opposite while sharing aspects?. No mention of leaning more towards anything.
Also you listed being Kind and a pervert as similarities. But isn't Brook also a pervert, you think he's a well written deep character in the post-skip?. You say Oda is kind but you've never actually met the man how would you know this?, also every straw-hat is kind, including Zoro himself. You say Oda doesn't want to be the best at something like Sanji, but this is a fallacious argument since Sanjis dream is based on believing in what others don't not being the best, is Odas dream on that basis as well?. The connections are faulty.

 

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"Zoro is the complete opposite".......this is what you said, are you remembering properly?. How can he be the complete opposite while sharing aspects?. No mention of leaning more towards anything.
Also you listed being Kind and a pervert as similarities. But isn't Brook also a pervert, you think he's a well written deep character in the post-skip?. You say Oda is kind but you've never actually met the man how would you know this?, also every straw-hat is kind, including Zoro himself. You say Oda doesn't want to be the best at something like Sanji, but this is a fallacious argument since Sanjis dream is based on believing in what others don't not being the best, is Odas dream on that basis as well?. The connections are faulty.

Yes they are oda is more out going while zoro bottles up everything... Notice how the next words are characterization and depth???

 

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Yes they are oda is more out going while zoro bottles up everything...

You're literally talking about a man you've never met before like he's your lifelong friend. Kind and doesn't bottle up emotions........
This is also not exclusive to Sanji. Franky, Brook and Chopper are outgoing as well, they deep and well written characters to you?.

 

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You're literally talking about a man you've never met before like he's your lifelong friend. Kind and doesn't bottle up emotions........
This is also not exclusive to Sanji. Franky, Brook and Chopper are outgoing as well, they deep and well written characters to you?.

Wdym oda was my best friend in kindergarten

 

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Wdym oda was my best friend in kindergarten

How could he have been your best friend if he was mine?.:shame: