Powers & Abilities Zoro’s body is “at ease” using CoC without Zoro’s awareness

[ImmaIvanoM]

This is a under discussed aspect of Haki, that it requires your actual physical body to be strong for you to use it.

We have examples of Whitebeard’s aging sick body reducing his Haki usage. Garp and Gaban say their aging bodies have also led to reduction in the amount of haki they can use.

Seastone is described as removing the stamina of DF users and at the same time, DF users lose the ability to use haki while under seastone because they lost their physical body stamina.

Zoro outright says that the use of KoH was going to kill him in Wano, so his physical body itself was being damaged by the use of Haki.

Now Gaban says that Zoro’s physical body is “at ease” to using CoC. Meaning Zoro’s previous issue of his body being on the verge of death from using CoC is solved right? His body got some OFFSCREEN boost from somewhere that has now allowed his body to use CoC with ease. He’s even overflowing with it without even trying now.

therefore I think it’s safe to conclude Elbaf Zoro > Wano Zoro… And by Elbaf Zoro I mean current Zoro, before he even follows Gaban’s instructions to control his CoC better, current Zoro is already better than Wano Zoro since his body has SOMEHOW OFFSCREEN become “at ease” using CoC.

 

[nik87]

Zori truly is the ultimate hakiman, even tho he is clueless.
You might be right about this, unexpected Zenkai boost.
However, we will see if anything changed in an actual fight.

 

[MonsterKaido]

He will have unlimited KOH now.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Zori truly is the ultimate hakiman, even tho he is clueless.
You might be right about this, unexpected Zenkai boost.
However, we will see if anything changed in an actual fight.

There is no Zenkai boost for Zoro, he trains every day and I think every SH does to some degree. When they do special training or when Oda wants to show that then that training and resulting powerup is shown.
Zoro learned about haki requirement in Wano and then in fight against King. Training with Enma made him aware of limited haki pool (if he wasnt already) but the maximum extent, his own limits. In King fight he realized that the problem was not regulating the haki but letting it out as required and thus increase his max haki pool. You burn the fuel at the same rate you just gotta increase the tank size to fight longer. If you can use more haki for more time then you have become stronger.
There was also that panel of using haki on his sword when he was eating while sitting with the group around Loki. So it seems that Zoro has been trying to increase his haki pool all this time. There is another way of reading the Luffy and Zoro dialogue. At no point it is said that Zoro is unaware of haki leaking out or radiating haki, he is unaware of this haki being CoC, to him it was just haki.
But even with it being unintentional and unconscious haki leakage, the point is that Zoros haki pool has vastly increased to the point that he can constantly leak out haki without feeling any strain. Of course the haki leak out is not G4 or KOH levels but it is significant.
An easier example is when you start running you tire out quickly but you steadily build up the stamina and can now do more at the same work rate, run longer and faster etc.
I think the words haki pool and haki potency/strength may be too going into details. Generally when haki is used in this context it means that haki is getting stronger.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

He will have unlimited KOH now.

It’s not even about unlimited KoH… I think it’s like a person’s Haki being limited by their body

Haki is just willpower right? So there’s no real reason to think Whitebeard, Garp and Gaban have less willpower than they used to have… in fact you’d almost think their willpower increases with age… The problem is, no matter how much willpower they have, their bodies can only do so much

we are led to believe that no matter if Zoro had some amount of willpower in Wano, because his body was somehow insufficient, he was literally going to die from the use of the Haki he already has

like his Haki limit had surpassed his body’s capability to use it

But now that he got some random OFFSCREEN Body training from somewhere, now suddenly how much KoH he can use has increased to catch up with his haki limit

Training with Enma made him aware of limited haki pool (if he wasnt already) but the maximum extent, his own limits

Thing is, I don’t even think this is a haki pool thing now… I think Zoro currently has the same haki as in Wano… The thing that has changed is his body… In Wano he was supposedly going to die using the same amount of haki… And yet now Gaban says his body can use Haki with ease

Zoro is going to get better control of his CoC later on but that’s different from what’s being discussed now regarding this body itself being able to handle how much haki he uses

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Idk

Gaben just saw a limited glimpse of zolo using koh

Lolda is not someone who gives his characters actual progression so easily. He almost always keeps the side effects of a power up so he can use it to stall for time or inject fake tension into fights. Look at condom. He did not get over his g4 time limit issues even after getting acoa and acoc. And even tho he might be able to use g4 for short bursts without the side effects now, his new powerup the clown nika form has an even worse side effect.

So I don't think zolo's Emma suck side effects are fully resolved

 

[nik87]

There is no Zenkai boost for Zoro, he trains every day and I think every SH does to some degree. When they do special training or when Oda wants to show that then that training and resulting powerup is shown.
Zoro learned about haki requirement in Wano and then in fight against King. Training with Enma made him aware of limited haki pool (if he wasnt already) but the maximum extent, his own limits. In King fight he realized that the problem was not regulating the haki but letting it out as required and thus increase his max haki pool. You burn the fuel at the same rate you just gotta increase the tank size to fight longer. If you can use more haki for more time then you have become stronger.
There was also that panel of using haki on his sword when he was eating while sitting with the group around Loki. So it seems that Zoro has been trying to increase his haki pool all this time. There is another way of reading the Luffy and Zoro dialogue. At no point it is said that Zoro is unaware of haki leaking out or radiating haki, he is unaware of this haki being CoC, to him it was just haki.
But even with it being unintentional and unconscious haki leakage, the point is that Zoros haki pool has vastly increased to the point that he can constantly leak out haki without feeling any strain. Of course the haki leak out is not G4 or KOH levels but it is significant.
An easier example is when you start running you tire out quickly but you steadily build up the stamina and can now do more at the same work rate, run longer and faster etc.
I think the words haki pool and haki potency/strength may be too going into details. Generally when haki is used in this context it means that haki is getting stronger.

I never believed in zenkai boost either but there might be something, if Gaban's words get confirmed through actions where Zoro suddenly uses KoH often/for long period and doesnt feel any drawback as he did before.
Time will tell if anything changed whatsoever, I am the first who doesnt believe into words that arent backed up by actions.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Idk

Gaben just saw a limited glimpse of zolo using koh

Lolda is not someone who gives his characters actual progression so easily. He almost always keeps the side effects of a power up so he can use it to stall for time or inject fake tension into fights. Look at condom. He did not get over his g4 time limit issues even after getting acoa and acoc. And even tho he might be able to use g4 for short bursts without the side effects now, his new powerup the clown nika form has an even worse side effect.

So I don't think zolo's Emma suck side effects are fully resolved

So then why is Oda having Gaban say something that doesn’t matter? Just to say something?

also Luffy’s comment about CoC leaking off of Zoro would be weird if this is a life threatening thing… like Zoro is somehow unaware that he’s killing himself

and Zoro’s problem in the King fight wasn’t Enma directly… Zoro realized that the correct way of using Enma is giving it as much haki as it wants… the problem is that Zoro has 3 swords, and he can’t fight with one sword using more power than the other 3, SO HE HAS TO DO IT FOR ALL 3… what was killing him was his body couldn’t handle giving out 3 times the Haki

and if the issue is Zoro’s body is weak, then obviously the solution is that Zoro’s body got stronger… which is what Gaban is saying already happened

 

[Blazing Lion]

Thing is, I don’t even think this is a haki pool thing now… I think Zoro currently has the same haki as in Wano… The thing that has changed is his body… In Wano he was supposedly going to die using the same amount of haki… And yet now Gaban says his body can use Haki with ease

Zoro is going to get better control of his CoC later on but that’s different from what’s being discussed now regarding this body itself being able to handle how much haki he uses

I agree, I think there are two sides of it. One is the physical body component and the other is the haki pool (for ease of discussion). Just like weapons have a limit of the amount of power they can channel the body may also have a limit. So the physical aspect of the body being hakified (it is under strain) and the other thing is that haki is leaking out so the haki production is equal to haki leaking and the body is at ease with this.

 

[mly90]

I think a lot of haters were ignoring horrible shape zoro was in Wano the mink medicine never restored the enormous haki Enma drained while he was trying to tame it. Neither was his stamina restored zoro was forced to continuously using haki nonstop since making it to the rooftop until he defeated King. It’s no surprise his body would get used to it he seems to have endless reserve of haki it’s crazy

 

[MonochromeYoru]

So then why is Oda having Gaban say something that doesn’t matter? Just to say something?

to indicate zoro slowly getting used to emma. Doesn't mean he's completely adept.

also Luffy’s comment about CoC leaking off of Zoro would be weird if this is a life threatening thing… like Zoro is somehow unaware that he’s killing himself

zoro is aware that he is killing himself when using emma...

he is just unaware he is using acoc

and Zoro’s problem in the King fight wasn’t Enma directly… Zoro realized that the correct way of using Enma is giving it as much haki as it wants… the problem is that Zoro has 3 swords, and he can’t fight with one sword using more power than the other 3, SO HE HAS TO DO IT FOR ALL 3… what was killing him was his body couldn’t handle giving out 3 times the Haki

no

zoro used 3 swords with haki throughout the post timeskip. Never had any problem. Only emma sucks his haki out. He can just spread the sucked out haki to the other swords.

Go back to when he got emma. His arm shrunk and shriveled up from emma alone. He didn't even have wado and sandai on his body at the time.

Emma and only Emma sucks and puts him in mortal danger from haki drain.

and if the issue is Zoro’s body is weak, then obviously the solution is that Zoro’s body got stronger… which is what Gaban is saying already happened

Gaben did not see zoro go all out. All he saw was a glimpse

Think of it this way. If zoro haki is at 100% and he uses emma for a bit. It would be at like 90% or whatever. And he'd still not be at risk of dying. And so the negative effects wouldn't show up. That's true until like 30% or whatever. Then and only then does zoro enter the danger zone of emma sucking. (just an example. not saying that's how it works and those numbers are accurate)

Gaben barely saw zoro use acoc. So he did not get to see the negative effects of prolonged abuse of Emma's sucking. Thus, he thinks zoro can freely use acoc without any side effects. That's why he said that.


But, zoro is getting stronger and getting used to it as well as you said. What i'm saying is, he hasn't necessarily overcame the side effects of Emma suck completely. It should be a slow process.

I think a lot of haters

I think a lot of haters were ignoring horrible shape zoro was in Wano the mink medicine never restored the enormous haki Enma drained while he was trying to tame it. Neither was his stamina restored zoro was forced to continuously using haki nonstop since making it to the rooftop until he defeated King.

Mink medicine is magic and was said to restore his health completely. And he had some time between the asura and fighting king. So he most likely regenerated his haki. He was even sleeping between lol.

Unless stated otherwise, zoro was at 100% at the start of king fight due to magic medicine asspull.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

zoro used 3 swords with haki throughout the post timeskip. Never had any problem

Did you understand what my post was? It seems you didn’t

I said the problem isn’t Enma specifically… The problem is that Enma has a Haki requirement to be used properly… And Zoro cannot fight with One sword having a different amount of haki than the others… As in Enma cant be sucking out 500 “units of haki” while Zoro fights with 100 “units of haki” on his other two swords… Understand?

So for Zoro to fight properly he has to give Enma the Haki it wants, AND THEN DO THE EXACT SAME FOR HIS OTHER TWO SWORDS GIVING THEM THE SAME AMOUNT OF HAKI… So what was killing Zoro was producing 3 times the haki that Enma wants…

You keep focusing on Enma as the big deal here as if Gaban ever mentioned it… Gaban says it’s Zoro’s body that has gotten “at ease” with using CoC… Gaban mentions Zoro’s body and Zoro’s CoC… He never once says a damn thing about Enma being a factor anywhere here

This post is about the relationship between physical stats and haki… which is a thing… it’s factually a thing… it’s brought up many times how people’s physical bodies affect their haki output… Gaban saying that Zoro’s PHYSICAL BODY can use CoC easily IS AN IMPORTANT STATEMENT when previously Zoro said his physical body would die from using CoC

 

[HerreraIsBack]

We have examples of Whitebeard’s aging sick body reducing his Haki usage. Garp and Gaban say their aging bodies have also led to reduction in the amount of haki they can use.

Whitebeard is more about his sickness. But where is the panel of Garp and Gaban saying that?

Seastone is described as removing the stamina of DF users and at the same time, DF users lose the ability to use haki while under seastone because they lost their physical body stamina.

Yet we have Act 1 unconscious Luffy (aka 0 stamina) using Conquerors to knock out Kaido's subordinates to prevent him from being arrested.

Zoro outright says that the use of KoH was going to kill him in Wano, so his physical body itself was being damaged by the use of Haki.

This is also trick because Enma is still the one consuming his haki. So Enma is a stamina "eater" by itself.

Now Gaban says that Zoro’s physical body is “at ease” to using CoC. Meaning Zoro’s previous issue of his body being on the verge of death from using CoC is solved right? His body got some OFFSCREEN boost from somewhere that has now allowed his body to use CoC with ease. He’s even overflowing with it without even trying now.

First of all we never saw Zoro having such problem if not the King's fight which he had the magic pill that was doubling his damage intake. Second it was already said that they got stronger after each island specially when having extreme difficult fights where haki blooms. That means they all are progressively getting stronger with time and each fight they got even stronger the more difficult it is the stronger they get.

therefore I think it’s safe to conclude Elbaf Zoro > Wano Zoro… And by Elbaf Zoro I mean current Zoro, before he even follows Gaban’s instructions to control his CoC better, current Zoro is already better than Wano Zoro since his body has SOMEHOW OFFSCREEN become “at ease” using CoC.

Yes obviously. But Gaban gave no instructions. He said generic words like "pay attention". And Luffy already confirmed that Zoro's body was oozing conquerors but we don't know since when. Maybe since Wano?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Whitebeard is more about his sickness. But where is the panel of Garp and Gaban saying that?

When Gaban cut Sommers he said he’s lost a step and when Garp uses the Galaxy impact in Hachinosu he says he’s gotten much weaker…

Yet we have Act 1 unconscious Luffy (aka 0 stamina) using Conquerors to knock out Kaido's subordinates to prevent him from being arrested.

Low stamina isn’t Zero stamina, you don’t jump to zero stamina from being knocked out… the conclusion is that Seastone drains your stamina even lower than whatever level of stamina is needed to knock out fodder

This is also trick because Enma is still the one consuming his haki. So Enma is a stamina "eater" by itself.

Huh? Are you forgetting Zoro has 3 swords? What are zoro’s other swords doing during KoH? The reason KoH is a problem for Zoro is because he has to give Enma as much haki as it wants, AND THEN GIVE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF HAKI TO HIS OTHER SWORDS… So Zoro is essentionally producing 3 times the Haki of Enma in KoH

First of all we never saw Zoro having such problem if not the King's fight which he had the magic pill that was doubling his damage intake. Second it was already said that they got stronger after each island specially when having extreme difficult fights where haki blooms. That means they all are progressively getting stronger with time and each fight they got even stronger the more difficult it is the stronger they get.

The magic pill kicked in after the king fight… Zoro wasn’t taking double damage during the fight… As in it’s explicitly stated that the pill basically cures you completely TEMPORARILY And the afterwards all the damage it cured before RETURNS DOUBLED UP… That’s why Zoro wasn’t able to even move after the king fight yet King hasnt even done anything to him in the actual fight, it was the Rooftop damage doubled up that was coming back

Zoro had no intense fights since king… so there’s no haki bloom explanation here… also, why are you bring up haki blooms, we are talking about Zoro’s body itself becoming “at ease” using CoC, which is what Gaban said

Yes obviously. But Gaban gave no instructions. He said generic words like "pay attention". And Luffy already confirmed that Zoro's body was oozing conquerors but we don't know since when. Maybe since Wano?

The instructions I mentioned were for Zoro, not Luffy… Gaban tells Zoro CoC is only useful when it’s put under control (which is actually exactly WORD FOR WORD what Rayleigh told Luffy pre time skip), so Zoro has been using CoC poorly throughout the king fight to now, and so he’s going to follow Gaban (and Rayleigh’s) instructions to get use his CoC better from now on

 

[ShadowStyle369]

I always assumed zoro was close to dying because of Enma, and how it behaved. We know from chapter 955 Enma takes his ryou when it wants to cut more and this makes Zoro tired. Multiple times Enma was draining Zoro in the king fight unnecessarily making Zoro waste his ryou. Then Zoro decides to go all out with his haki instead of trying to stabilize it therefore pushing his limits even further. As Zoro said it was gonna kill him if he kept going. I always thought that the next time we saw zoro going all out with KoH we would not have that drawback because Enma does not waste his ryou anymore, but I guess as told by Gaban zoro body is at ease with coc haki so if Enma isn’t purposefully draining Zoro arnament haki and zoro is now fully aware of his coc haki and he can use it whenever he so chooses then we should have some pretty nice feats incoming for him.

Also just throwing it out there

the anime seems very on point… Zoro coc haki leaks only when Zoro is seemingly overflowing his arnament haki signified by the green flames, which is what his body should be used to from wano, but when you go look at Zoro finisher on lucci the green flames are absent so maybe that’s even further growth for Zoro him taking out lucci akin to divine departure but it being a cutting attack focused on using coc haki more so than overflowing the arnanment haki since the flames are absent .

 

[HerreraIsBack]

When Gaban cut Sommers he said he’s lost a step and when Garp uses the Galaxy impact in Hachinosu he says he’s gotten much weaker…

That's his overall strength not his haki capabilities.

Low stamina isn’t Zero stamina, you don’t jump to zero stamina from being knocked out… the conclusion is that Seastone drains your stamina even lower than whatever level of stamina is needed to knock out fodder

Guess you didn't understood. I'm saying that knocked out Luffy was 0 stamina. And that Luffy was the one who used conqueror.

Huh? Are you forgetting Zoro has 3 swords? What are zoro’s other swords doing during KoH? The reason KoH is a problem for Zoro is because he has to give Enma as much haki as it wants, AND THEN GIVE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF HAKI TO HIS OTHER SWORDS… So Zoro is essentionally producing 3 times the Haki of Enma in KoH

That's headcannon. Of course he is distributing his haki somewhat equally to all 3 swords. But the point is that only Enma is the magic sword consuming his haki for whatever reason since Oda always has to nerf Zoro someway.

The magic pill kicked in after the king fight… Zoro wasn’t taking double damage during the fight… As in it’s explicitly stated that the pill basically cures you completely TEMPORARILY And the afterwards all the damage it cured before RETURNS DOUBLED UP… That’s why Zoro wasn’t able to even move after the king fight yet King hasnt even done anything to him in the actual fight, it was the Rooftop damage doubled up that was coming back

Zoro had no intense fights since king… so there’s no haki bloom explanation here… also, why are you bring up haki blooms, we are talking about Zoro’s body itself becoming “at ease” using CoC, which is what Gaban said

King was the intense fight where his haki bloom. And after that his body becomes a lot stronger. Plus the natural progression of Egghead even without intense fight(although the off-screned one with Seraphims may have being intense).

The instructions I mentioned were for Zoro, not Luffy… Gaban tells Zoro CoC is only useful when it’s put under control (which is actually exactly WORD FOR WORD what Rayleigh told Luffy pre time skip), so Zoro has been using CoC poorly throughout the king fight to now, and so he’s going to follow Gaban (and Rayleigh’s) instructions to get use his CoC better from now on

Show the panel please? I don't find it... I see him talking to Luffy about being mindful the way he uses conqueror. After all he made Luffy go all out against him not Zoro. The line to Zoro is not something he is telling for Zoro to do. Just to say that haki must be understood and tamed. Haki in general not conquerors. Which doesn't makes much sense since Zoro already tamed he just don't fully understands conquerors.

 

[Wizak08]

This is a under discussed aspect of Haki, that it requires your actual physical body to be strong for you to use it.

We have examples of Whitebeard’s aging sick body reducing his Haki usage. Garp and Gaban say their aging bodies have also led to reduction in the amount of haki they can use.

Seastone is described as removing the stamina of DF users and at the same time, DF users lose the ability to use haki while under seastone because they lost their physical body stamina.

Zoro outright says that the use of KoH was going to kill him in Wano, so his physical body itself was being damaged by the use of Haki.

Now Gaban says that Zoro’s physical body is “at ease” to using CoC. Meaning Zoro’s previous issue of his body being on the verge of death from using CoC is solved right? His body got some OFFSCREEN boost from somewhere that has now allowed his body to use CoC with ease. He’s even overflowing with it without even trying now.

therefore I think it’s safe to conclude Elbaf Zoro > Wano Zoro… And by Elbaf Zoro I mean current Zoro, before he even follows Gaban’s instructions to control his CoC better, current Zoro is already better than Wano Zoro since his body has SOMEHOW OFFSCREEN become “at ease” using CoC.

Excessive amounts of ryuo was what was killing him since he had to accept not only exuding that amount regularly but also on his other blades so using even more ryuo. Some time has passed so he should be able to use it for longer now. ACoC is serperate.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

That's his overall strength not his haki capabilities.

No, Garp was directly lamenting the strength of his Galaxy impact so it is about haki ability

Guess you didn't understood. I'm saying that knocked out Luffy was 0 stamina. And that Luffy was the one who used conqueror.

I’m saying knocked out Luffy doesn’t have zero stamina…

That's headcannon. Of course he is distributing his haki somewhat equally to all 3 swords. But the point is that only Enma is the magic sword consuming his haki for whatever reason since Oda always has to nerf Zoro someway.

No, We are shown on panel what happens when one of Zoro’s swords has more power than the other… as shown when Shusui was first being used

the fact that Zoro’s slashes are lopsided where one slash is visibly more powerful the the other two slashes… and the fact that all the three swords have the exact same amount of black lightning and black smoke in KoH… All these 3 points are clear indication that Zoro needs an EQUAL amount of haki on all his swords… meaning as Enma sucks out a specific amount of haki it wants, Zoro has to then match Enma’s sucked haki on his two other swords… The problem starts with Enma wanting a specific amount of haki, but it snowballs into Zorp having to triple Enma’s demand in order to use 3 sword style

Just to say that haki must be understood and tamed.

Again, this is exactly what Rayleigh tells Luffy… You’re saying that Oda has Gaban repeat a statement from Rayleigh from over 500 chapters ago when it’s not an important thing for Zoro to learn?

Excessive amounts of ryuo was what was killing him since he had to accept not only exuding that amount regularly but also on his other blades so using even more ryuo. Some time has passed so he should be able to use it for longer now. ACoC is serperate.

I mean he explicitly says he’s about to die using KoH… and KoH has CoC in it… It has both Ryuo and AdvCoC so clearly the strain of both was killing him

 

[Kiri]

"zoro’s previous issue of his body being on the verge of death from using CoC is solved right? " It could be starting to get solved, even if he's oozing out haki, it can't be that much haki.

Otherwise Sanji, usopp etc would have fainted many times over already just by being near him.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

No, Garp was directly lamenting the strength of his Galaxy impact so it is about haki ability

Yeah his Galaxy Impact got weaker because his overall strength got weaker. Is not like he can't use haki like he used to. Haki is a boost of your base stats. Just like Pre-timeskip hakiless Luffy was still stronger than Amazon Lily warriors that could use haki because his base stats are much higher than theirs without haki.

I’m saying knocked out Luffy doesn’t have zero stamina…

Less stamina than old people pulling up fights with top/high tiers

No, We are shown on panel what happens when one of Zoro’s swords has more power than the other… as shown when Shusui was first being used

the fact that Zoro’s slashes are lopsided where one slash is visibly more powerful the the other two slashes… and the fact that all the three swords have the exact same amount of black lightning and black smoke in KoH… All these 3 points are clear indication that Zoro needs an EQUAL amount of haki on all his swords… meaning as Enma sucks out a specific amount of haki it wants, Zoro has to then match Enma’s sucked haki on his two other swords… The problem starts with Enma wanting a specific amount of haki, but it snowballs into Zorp having to triple Enma’s demand in order to use 3 sword style

Because Shusui was a black blade, the only sword that really outstand against the others two. Enma was just a nerf to him, forcing him to use more haki than he wanted to and consuming his stamina/muscles idk that shit Oda did makes no fucking sense.

Again, this is exactly what Rayleigh tells Luffy… You’re saying that Oda has Gaban repeat a statement from Rayleigh from over 500 chapters ago when it’s not an important thing for Zoro to learn?

It is what is written at manga dude. Why you complaining it to me? Go write Oda a letter. Geez...

zoro’s previous issue of his body being on the verge of death from using CoC is solved right?

This was never the case. He was close to death because of the fight with King. King said the same shit and was not using CoC.